vcczar 1,227 Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 @CalebsParadox @Patine @pilight @Reagan04 @Conservative Elector 2 @Falcon @michaelsdiamonds @servo75 @jnewt @LokiLoki22 @SeanFKennedy @Sunnymentoaddict @jvikings1 @Bruce Fischer @victor1313 @republicaninnyc @vcczar I had the time to tabulate and create our forum's presidential ranking based off our responses. We have a fairly diverse group ideologically speaking, so our results will differ from the academics. There will be several tables, which I will post in this threat. The first ranking is.... Ranking #1: Holistic Averaged Ranking [Takes all the factors into account--favorability, negative popularity, raw # of majority positive event/decisions, % of majority positive event/decisions] 1. Abraham Lincoln 2. FDR 3. Teddy Roosevelt 4. Thomas Jefferson 5. JFK *differs from most academic polls* 6. George Washington *differs from most academic polls* 7. Barack Obama *still too soon, but higher than most polls that put him between 12 and 18* 8. Dwight D. Eisenhower 9. John Quincy Adams *differs from most academic polls* 10. LBJ 11. James Monroe 12. James Madison 13. Bill Clinton 14. John Adams 15. US Grant *differs from most academic polls* 16. Jimmy Carter *differs from most academic polls* 17. Harry S. Truman *greatly differs from most academic polls* 18. Woodrow Wilson *also, greatly differs from most academic polls* 19. Benjamin Harrison *differs from most academic polls* 20. Chester A. Arthur *differ from most polls* 21. James K. Polk *greatly differs from most polls* 22. Gerald Ford *differs from most polls* 23. Ronald Reagan *differs from most polls* 24. Calvin Coolidge 25. William McKinley 26. Rutherford B. Hayes 27. GHW Bush *differs from most polls* 28. James Garfield *differs from most polls* 29. William Taft 30. Andrew Jackson *greatly differs from most polls* 31. Grover Cleveland 32. Richard Nixon 33. Zachary Taylor 34. Martin Van Buren 35. WH Harrison 36. Warren G. Harding *differs from most polls* 37. Herbert Hoover 38. Franklin Pierce 39. John Tyler 40. Millard Fillmore *differs from most polls* 41. Donald Trump *too soon, really. But I'd wager most academic polls would place him between 35-42 so far* 42. Andrew Johnson 43. George W. Bush *differs from most polls* 44. James Buchanan Analysis on this ranking: The poll doesn't come to very much of a surprise. The alteration from the norm comes primarily from the fact that this forum has a higher percentage of Democrat Progressives and Republican Libertarians than the normal population. As such, certain aggressive measure such as restricting civil rights and civil liberties or going to war are going to weigh down a president in our ranking more so than in most polls (Polk and Jackson, for example). Additionally, the idealism in both progressive and libertarians might account for the fact that many presidents scored well for their intentions, even if they were not successful in implementing what they said they would do or tried but failed to do (JQ Adams and JFK are prime examples). Centrist politicians, such as JFK, scored very well. Meanwhile, candidates like Wilson and Truman, who partially make progressive aghast, and partially make conservatives aghast, were weighed down by making no one really happy. As a whole, we were forgiving of faults in integrity, scandal and corruption, as Grant, Clinton, Nixon and Harding all seemed to do better in our poll than in most polls. Like most lovers of history, the six aristocratic presidents (Washington through JQ Adams) all fared very well. Later this week I will post my other rankings based on more specific areas. I will also start tabulating individual rankings on Wednesday morning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 1,227 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Ranking #2: 270Soft Community Presidential Ranking by Favorability (excluding unfavorability or mixed). 1. Washington 2. JFK 3. Lincoln 4. Teddy Roosevelt 5. Jefferson 6. FDR 7. Eisenhower 8. Obama 9. JQ Adams 10. Monroe 11. Polk 12. Reagan 13. LBJ 14. Madison 15. Clinton 16. Coolidge 17. J Adams 18. Trump 19. McKinley 20. WH Harrison 21. Carter 22. B Harrison 23. Truman 24. Wilson 25. Jackson 26. Nixon 27. Pierce 28. Ford 29. GHW Bush 30. Garfield 31. Cleveland 32. Arthur 33. Grant 34. Hayes 35. Taft 36. Taylor 37. Harding 38. Fillmore 39. Hoover 40. A Johnson 41. GW Bush 42. Buchanan 43. Van Buren 44. Tyler Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 1,227 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Ranking #3: 270 Soft Community Ranking by Least Offensive (Lowest negative favorability, with highest favorable for tie-breakier) 1. JFK 2. Lincoln 3. Jefferson 4. Washington 5. T Roosevelt 6. Eisenhower 7. Monroe 8. Grant 9. FDR 10. J Adams 11. JQ Adams 12. GHW Bush 13. Hayes 14. Arthur 15. Truman 16. Ford 17. Garfield 18. Taft 19. LBJ 20. Clinton 21. Carter 22. B Harrison 23. Cleveland 24. Obama 25. Taylor 26. WH Harrison 27. Madison 28. Reagan 29. Nixon 30. McKinley 31. Coolidge 32. Wilson 33. Van Buren 34. Polk 35. Jackson 36. Fillmore 37. Trump 38. Tyler 39. Hoover 40. Harding 41. A Johnson 42. Pierce 43. GW Bush 44. Buchanan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 1,227 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Ranking #4: 270Soft Community Ranking by Raw Number of Majority Approved Accomplishments (tie-breaker is % approved): 1. FDR 2. Lincoln 3. T Roosevelt 4. Obama 5. Jefferson 6. LBJ 7. Wilson 8. Washington 9. Eisenhower 10. JQ Adams 11. Clinton 12. Grant 13. Truman 14. JFK 15. Monroe 16. Madison 17. Jackson 18. Carter 19. Tyler 20. J Adams 21. Taft 22. B Harrison 23. Arthur 24. Polk 25. Ford 26. Harding 27. Van Buren 28. McKinley 29. Hayes 30. Hoover 31. Taylor 32. Nixon 33. Cleveland 34. Coolidge 35. GHW Bush 36. Fillmore 37. A Johnson 38. Reagan 39. Pierce 40. Garfield 41. WH Harrison 42. GW Bush 43. Trump 44. Buchanan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 1,227 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Ranking #5: 270Soft Community Ranking by % of Majority Positive Event/Decisions (tie-breaking is overall approval rating): 1. FDR 2. Washington 3. T Roosevelt 4. JFK 5. Lincoln 6. Jefferson 7. LBJ 8. Obama 9. Carter 10. JQ Adams 11. Wilson 12. B Harrison 13. Arthur 14. Monroe 15. Madison 16. Eisenhower 17. Ford 18. Harding 19. Clinton 20. Grant 21. J Adams 22. McKinley 23. Truman 24. Hayes 25. Hoover 26. Van Buren 27. Tyler 28. Coolidge 29. Jackson 30. GHW Bush 31. Fillmore 32. Polk 33. Taft 34. Taylor 35. Pierce 36. Garfield 37. A Johnson 38. Nixon 39. Cleveland 40. Reagan 41. WH Harrison 42. GW Bush 43. Trump 44. Buchanan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 1,227 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Ok, @CalebsParadox @Patine @pilight @Reagan04 @Conservative Elector 2 @Falcon @michaelsdiamonds @servo75 @jnewt @LokiLoki22 @SeanFKennedy @Sunnymentoaddict @jvikings1 @Bruce Fischer @victor1313 @republicaninnyc @vcczar these are the 5 separate rankings from our community voting. I'm curious as to your responses to this. Also, feel free to create your own unique ranking. I'll have the indvidual rankings up sometime starting tomorrow (Wednesday). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pilight 237 Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 The high ratings for JFK baffle me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 1,227 Posted April 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 hour ago, pilight said: The high ratings for JFK baffle me It is kind of baffling. He would probably be around #12 to #15 on my personal list. He didn't accomplish much, but he proposed a lot that LBJ enacted, which seems to be the bulk of his appeal. Additionally, he was moderate on taxation and aggressive on defense, so he won the support of some conservative and progressive voters in our forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
michaelsdiamonds 0 Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 JFK and Hoover seem too high for me, I would switch LBJ and JFK. Other than that, I'm pretty content with this list. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 1,227 Posted April 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 3 hours ago, michaelsdiamonds said: JFK and Hoover seem too high for me, I would switch LBJ and JFK. Other than that, I'm pretty content with this list. Yeah, I agree on JFK. JFK was helped by being liked by conservatives and progressives. I think Hoover is about where he should be, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Fischer 1 Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 Trump seems about right. I love JFK not because of what he did, necessary, but of what he wanted to do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 I expected bush to be 39 or 38 not 44 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 1,227 Posted April 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 25 minutes ago, republicaninnyc said: I expected bush to be 39 or 38 not 44 This would probably be the case in academic polls, which are generally more balanced. This forum is very progressive, libertarian, populist heavy, which means that Bush's flaws will likely be voted more grievously. If we had more mainstream people in this forum, it would probably lead to a higher polling for Bush and some others in this ranking. This is the same reason why you get Truman and Wilson so low as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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