Ideology Poll

[RI Democrat 39]

11 minutes ago, Patine said:

When I took the IQ test in my youth, I scored 121. Where the Hell is all my GUARANTEED wealth, success, and greatness in history you imply is all but promised by that score. At 41, I work in a social work office and most of the products of my "genius" just get spewed in rants on the Internet to an audience where half to two-thirds of the readers are unappreciative or lack the rationality to grasp what I'm saying.

Oh, that's an easy one - that's the fault of the socialist establishment oppressing you with taxes and political correctness. Don't you know your right-wing talking points?

[Centrist Emperor Kerzaris 50]

2 minutes ago, President Garrett Walker said:

 

It's definitely not because the Philippines is racist. It's offensive over here because of the US's extremely troubled history of race relations. That word was used as a polite word originally when, ironically, black was offensive, but it fell out of favor here in the 50's and 60's, when civil rights leaders like Malcolm X prefered "black." It became an actual slur in the 70's, though some older African-Americans do not find it offensive and still see "black" as offensive. I personally will use whatever is least offensive (obviously), though I have personally never met anyone who prefers that word over "black" or "African American."

I took one last week and got 124. Guess winning the Presidency will be a cakewalk after all

Where do you take an iq test? Do you pay for it? If so how much

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3 minutes ago, HomosexualSocialist said:

Where do you take an iq test? Do you pay for it? If so how much

just google IQ test

[Centrist Emperor Kerzaris 50]

Just now, republicaninnyc said:

just google IQ test

Oh, I don't really trust internet tests that much. 

I tried taking one last year and it gave me 129 or 126 or something. I find it extremely unrealistic considering the fact that I'm not Very Smart.

[Bruce Fischer 1]

2 minutes ago, HomosexualSocialist said:

Oh, I don't really trust internet tests that much. 

I tried taking one last year and it gave me 129 or 126 or something. I find it extremely unrealistic considering the fact that I'm not Very Smart.

This one's from Mensa: https://www.mensa.lu/en/mensa/online-iq-test.html

The part I bolded seems like a self esteem thing rather than an actual intelligence thing

[Patine 468]

7 minutes ago, President Garrett Walker said:

 

It's definitely not because the Philippines is racist. It's offensive over here because of the US's extremely troubled history of race relations. From what I can gather, that word was used as a polite word originally when, ironically, "black" was offensive, but it fell out of favor here in the 50's and 60's, when civil rights leaders like Malcolm X prefered "black." It became an actual slur in the 70's, though apparently some older African-Americans do not find it offensive and still see "black" as offensive. I personally will use whatever is least offensive (obviously), though I have personally never met anyone who prefers that word over "black" or "African American."

I took one last week and got 124. Guess winning the Presidency will be a cakewalk after all and is assured 

According to my brother, who was working for an international oil tools company auditing tools and training managers and employees all around the world, he was working in Mumbai (among many other colorful locations), and, I don't know whether this particular trend was all of India or just the State of Maharashtra, but they have a shade of black they refer to commonly and without real reservation or thought - an everyday term basically - that, when speaking English is said as n****r black. This shade is, in fact, very common on electronics, and my brother was taken aback by all these Mumbai electronics merchants pushing that particular shade of black as though it meant nothing.

[Bruce Fischer 1]

9 minutes ago, President Garrett Walker said:

This one's from Mensa: https://www.mensa.lu/en/mensa/online-iq-test.html

The part I bolded seems like a self esteem thing rather than an actual intelligence thing

OH I just took this and it doesn't give you an actual IQ number. It did say that I have a chance at passing the actual Mensa test...

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8 minutes ago, President Garrett Walker said:

This one's from Mensa: https://www.mensa.lu/en/mensa/online-iq-test.html

The part I bolded seems like a self esteem thing rather than an actual intelligence thing

Oh, I've got lots of self-esteem. In fact I am an over-achiever. I just think that my level of intelligence is not as high as my score says. 

I'll definitely try the link you gave me.

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9 minutes ago, Patine said:

According to my brother, who was working for an international oil tools company auditing tools and training managers and employees all around the world, he was working in Mumbai (among many other colorful locations), and, I don't know whether this particular trend was all of India or just the State of Maharashtra, but they have a shade of black they refer to commonly and without real reservation or thought - an everyday term basically - that, when speaking English is said as n****r black. This shade is, in fact, very common on electronics, and my brother was taken aback by all these Mumbai electronics merchants pushing that particular shade of black as though it meant nothing.

I think things like those are only offensive in places where racial tensions were/are high.

[Bruce Fischer 1]

@HomosexualSocialist This one is better in that it gives you a hard number but I can't vouch for its accuracy https://memorado.com/iqtest

(I got 126)

 

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7 minutes ago, President Garrett Walker said:

@HomosexualSocialist This one is better in that it gives you a hard number but I can't vouch for its accuracy https://memorado.com/iqtest

(I got 126)

 

I got 122

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2 minutes ago, republicaninnyc said:

I got 122

128 

[Patine 468]

1 hour ago, HomosexualSocialist said:

With this wonky IQ test engine and overinflated results, we should become a cabal of comic-book mad scientist villains intent on world conquest with bizarre and off-the-wall innovations and theorums!

"Mad! Mad they call me! I'll show them! I'll show them all!"

[Bruce Fischer 1]

14 minutes ago, Patine said:

With this wonky IQ test engine and overinflated results, we should become a cabal of comic-book mad scientist villains intent on world conquest with bizarre and off-the-wall innovations and theorums!

"Mad! Mad they call me! I'll show them! I'll show them all!"

Well anything below 130 and above 70 is considered average, it's like 140 and above for genius (IIRC). So they're not terribly inflated but yes, it's probably not entirely scientific. Neither is IQ as a metric.

[RI Democrat 39]

20 minutes ago, Patine said:

With this wonky IQ test engine and overinflated results, we should become a cabal of comic-book mad scientist villains intent on world conquest with bizarre and off-the-wall innovations and theorums!

"Mad! Mad they call me! I'll show them! I'll show them all!"

When you capture the hero, be sure to explain your evil plan before you kill him/her (preferably with ill-tempered sea bass).

[jvikings1 40]

2 hours ago, RI Democrat said:

When you capture the hero, be sure to explain your evil plan before you kill him/her (preferably with ill-tempered sea bass).

But, then you set up the death trap, you must walk out so the hero can conveniently escape.

[Centrist Emperor Kerzaris 50]

5 hours ago, President Garrett Walker said:

Well anything below 130 and above 70 is considered average, it's like 140 and above for genius (IIRC). So they're not terribly inflated but yes, it's probably not entirely scientific. Neither is IQ as a metric.

 

[RI Democrat 39]

For whatever reason, this reminds me of an example I heard once of how *not* to interpret or use data: "Did you know that half of the world's population have below average intelligence?!"

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17 hours ago, Patine said:

When I took the IQ test in my youth, I scored 121. Where the Hell is all my GUARANTEED wealth, success, and greatness in history you imply is all but promised by that score. At 41, I work in a social work office and most of the products of my "genius" just get spewed in rants on the Internet to an audience where half to two-thirds of the readers are unappreciative or lack the rationality to grasp what I'm saying.

It is statistically NOT individually speaking. If you got the idea that i meant: "you have an IQ of 121 therefore you will earn 152.567$ per year etc" That would be moronic. I am just saying that there is certain patterns that is not without significance when you look at IQ, when it comes to crime, income, life circumstances (long time stable relationship etc). This is not as to say there is no exception to the rule. Not to be a moron, but you might be that exception.

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18 hours ago, President Garrett Walker said:

1. According to Medical Daily: "In the new millennium, is the IQ test still an effective means of measuring general intelligence? According to the general consensus, the answer is 'no.'" IQ is extremely general and ignores a ton of relevant information that is not entirely measurable, like street smarts.

I'd like to see where you're getting this information on IQ, its relations to race, and its relations to crime. The only places I can find this kind of stuff is from sources that would get me laughed out of a lab or classroom if I tried to cite them in serious academic research. Also, 85 is just one standard deviation from 100 when measuring IQ, and is thus not statistically significant; people over 130 and under 70 are considered outliers. Which anyone who takes either psychology or statistics in a classroom setting should know as IQ tests are used as an example in both classes, and studied in depth in psychology.

2. 100 is not the average IQ of white people (why do you capitalize the "w" in "white," it's not a proper noun) but the average of all humans. Which is one reason why IQ is flawed, it's taking the average from 7.4 billion human beings.

3a. I never said anything about the Netherlands or crime, or that immigrants never ever commit any crimes, I just said that not all your problems would go away if non white people also went away which seems to be what you're implying but not explicitly saying.

3b. Stefan Molyneux? Oh I know, bring in the scholarly source of InfoWars as well, why don't you. So we're even, I'll go cite The Young Turks and Huffington Post. 

This, the US technically has a high literacy rate on paper but this is usually calculated by how long an individual has been in school rather than their actual capabilities at reading. I personally don't know anyone who is openly illiterate, but they exist still.

1. Biological differences between humans have been discouraged because of it's perceived "dangerous" nature, whatever that means, by the UN since 1948. I think i attached the document and the Wiki page for that pamphlet in an earlier comment i made on this thread. The scientific labs have been riding along that boat since then.

2. It makes sense that Whites invented the IQ test and putted their average score as a group to 100, so it could be compared with people other places. The IQ test is an European invention.

3a.

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People from the "third world" are the root of all of the "developed world's" problems, "ruin" the "first world's" "culture," and just come to Europe or the US for free stuff. No, that's just rhetoric far-right parties use to sow fear and win elections. There is no actual evidence of this.  -by garret walker

What is at the root of the problem is the Europeans themselves who have elected officials who have let these people in. The individual immigrants only serve their own self-interests.

3b.

He is going through the data provided by the Dutch Government. The Dutch Government is not "far-right". Maybe you just feel triggered because he has a different political opinion, and you're very tribal (leftist tribe)

"and made the assumption that anyone with a fifth grade education had at least an 80% chance of being literate."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

 

 

 

[Bruce Fischer 1]

58 minutes ago, koneke said:

1. Biological differences between humans have been discouraged because of it's perceived "dangerous" nature, whatever that means, by the UN since 1948. I think i attached the document and the Wiki page for that pamphlet in an earlier comment i made on this thread. The scientific labs have been riding along that boat since then.

2. It makes sense that Whites invented the IQ test and putted their average score as a group to 100, so it could be compared with people other places. The IQ test is an European invention.

3a.

What is at the root of the problem is the Europeans themselves who have elected officials who have let these people in. The individual immigrants only serve their own self-interests.

3b.

He is going through the data provided by the Dutch Government. The Dutch Government is not "far-right". Maybe you just feel triggered because he has a different political opinion, and you're very tribal (leftist tribe)

"and made the assumption that anyone with a fifth grade education had at least an 80% chance of being literate."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

1. Are you saying this because you distrust academia and the UN, or because you have actual evidence of this? I read both the report itself and the Wikipedia article and found nothing to support your claims

2. Not even touching this, it's absurd and baseless. IQ tests were invented by Binet and Simon in the early 1900s to learn about underperforming French students. It had nothing to do with race whatsoever and to imply otherwise spits in the face of these psychologists

3a. Assuming that immigrants are inherently self interested is rather cynical. As someone who is directly descended from immigrants and knows many of them personally both in and outside of my family, I could take offense to this but I won't give you that satisfaction.

3b. I'm not going to engage in personal attacks (not that I don't have anything to work with). I don't care that Stefan Molyneux makes Ted Cruz look like Bernie Sanders. I care about the quality of information, which is why I also made fun of TYT and HuffPo. Molyneux is widely known to either make stuff up on the spot or take real stuff (like this data) and distort it to fit his agenda through statistics manipulation and charisma. If you want to prove your point, cut out the middle man and show me the actual data and how it proves... whatever you were trying to say (I wasn't clear on that since I never mentioned the Netherlands)

On the literacy quote, that's the point I was trying to make. That's a faulty assumption. It should be if you make it to at least 10th grade, if you ask me (this is subjective)

[servo75 30]

20 hours ago, RI Democrat said:

For whatever reason, this reminds me of an example I heard once of how *not* to interpret or use data: "Did you know that half of the world's population have below average intelligence?!"

Well "half the population" would define the median, so if it's skewed data, you could actually have 75% or more below the average.

[jnewt 37]

59 minutes ago, servo75 said:

Well "half the population" would define the median, so if it's skewed data, you could actually have 75% or more below the average.

Not true. Statistically speaking, when you have skewed data, you use the median to define the "average", not the mean. You only use the mean when you have an approximately normal distribution.

[Bruce Fischer 1]

21 minutes ago, jnewt said:

Not true. Statistically speaking, when you have skewed data, you use the median to define the "average", not the mean. You only use the mean when you have an approximately normal distribution.

Yep, protects against outliers messing up your study or whatever

Source: almost failed college stat this semester