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#9 William Henry Harrison Legacy


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William Henry Harrison's Legacy  

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  1. 1. Which of the following Harrison decisions/events are positives for his legacy?

    • His death allowed the country to experience its first succession crisis and how to handle it.
    • The first president of the Whig party; although, JQ Adams can be said to be a proto-Whig.
    • Served for only a month; died in office
    • Accepted the convention's choice of Tyler as VP, even though Tyler was a WINO (Whig in Name Only)
    • Gave the longest inaugural address in history (over 2 hours long)
    • As a reaction to Jackson, called for the reestablishment of the National Bank and for paper currency (Tyler did not fulfill this)
    • As a reaction to Jackson, vowed to let Congress lead the nation rather than the office of the presidency (Tyler did not fulfill this)
    • As a reaction to Jackson, vowed to limit the use of the veto (Tyler did not fulfill this)
    • Vowed to appoint officials by merit rather than party loyalty, but allowed Clay to fill the offices with loyal Whigs.
    • Initially allowing Clay to influence his administration, Harrison and Clay began to bicker over appointments and policy
    • Harrison's appointments of Daniel Webster, JJ Crittenden and John Bell are generally consider solid and promising choices, but only Webster remained when Tyler became president.
    • Made efforts at combating corruption among department officials
    • Vowed to allow cabinet members to vote on policy; although, he once overruled their unanimous vote.
    • Avoided major decisions during the 3 weeks he wasn't bedridden, in favor of interviewing office-seekers
    • Defended a few low-level officials who were Democrats when Clay wanted them removed for Whigs, Harrison kept these token Democrats to appear to stay to his merit-system promise.
    • Allowed the Seminole War to continue (ended with Tyler)
    • Did not take sides on the slavery issue, but believed in leaving the issue to the states.
    • Supported Clay's "American System," a federally-funded modernizing infrastructure program
    • Favored Clay's economic policies, including a high tariff, which favor the industrialized North over the Plantation Southern economy
    • None of the above
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  2. 2. Who was a better president in their first month of office?

  3. 3. Overall, what is your general opinion of Harrison's presidency?



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He is definitely one of the hard ones to evaluate. One's positive or negative opinion is mostly based off campaign promises. 

There are some clues as to how his presidency might have gone: 

It appears he would not have had great relations with his own party, since it seemed like he had promised Henry Clay almost absolute influence, but then was starting to shut Clay out of office. He was starting to break away from his policy of allowing cabinet members to vote on policy decisions. I think he would have ultimately refused to allow Congress to lead, as he had promised, considering Clay was the leader of Congress. While he wasn't an idiot, he wasn't among the most intelligent options available, and he was known to let other people do the work for him. However, he appears to have had a chip on his shoulder about not really being up to task for the work, since the few stories we have of Harrison as president show him getting upset at the apparent disregard of his authoritative position. The Whigs routinely elected weak presidents, because they wanted Congress to lead, but this always backfired. 

Harrison might have gained full control and authority, and once done, forgiven Clay and worked with him (with Clay out of executive decisions, but honoring his position as leader of Congress). Harrison had a promising cabinet, so he maybe he could make things work. He would have probably gotten the National Bank, infrastructure and a higher tariff passed--all which would have been accomplishments. 

However, he could have failed to handle the office, increasing the feud with Clay, and become something similar to John Tyler in his relations with Congress; although, Harrison was ideologically similar to Clay. More likely, Clay would have gotten his plan in, taken credit for it over the president, and then worked to block Harrison's legacy in other ways. 

I'm more inclined to believe that he would have been naturally a poor president, but having been elected at the right time, he would have had the accomplishment of the renewed bank, infrastructure projects and a higher tariff. Bad relations with Congress would have probably helped Democrats regain control, causing Harrison to break his promise to infrequently veto. 

I would give him a mixed record if he served for 4 years, but as he served only a month, my opinion of him is negative because he accomplished too little and his legacy was totally ruined by his VP, John Tyler. 

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2 hours ago, vcczar said:

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Here's the new poll, which will be used towards a forum ranking. 

Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, JQ Adams, Jackson, Van Buren have polls in this forum.

Please take these polls if you have not done so already. 

If anyone needs clarification/definition of an event/decision, then I'll be glad to provide one. 

I chose the ones on his vows to select a meritocratic cabinet and allowing his cabinet to vote on policy decisions based on the promise, not the limited examples of him already starting to go against them.

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LOL, William Henry Harrison literally died a month into office and did very little of significance, yet 100% of this poll's respondents say he was a better President during that span of time than Trump

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52 minutes ago, Biden Should've Run said:

LOL, William Henry Harrison literally died a month into office and did very little of significance, yet 100% of this poll's respondents say he was a better President during that span of time than Trump

But, you have to look at who responded.  People like @Reagan04 and @Conservative Elector 2 have not done the poll yet.

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1 hour ago, jvikings1 said:

But, you have to look at who responded.  People like @Reagan04 and @Conservative Elector 2 have not done the poll yet.

That's true

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23 minutes ago, Biden Should've Run said:

That's true

 

1 hour ago, jvikings1 said:

But, you have to look at who responded.  People like @Reagan04 and @Conservative Elector 2 have not done the poll yet.

Sorry, I have to err on WH's side.

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I think it will be funny if WH Harrison gets in the top 10 for Positive presidency. I actually expected most people to put mixed, since his presidency was only a month and he didn't fulfill most of his promises. 

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9 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I think it will be funny if WH Harrison gets in the top 10 for Positive presidency. I actually expected most people to put mixed, since his presidency was only a month and he didn't fulfill most of his promises. 

I have no doubt that he would have become a mixed for me if he had not died sooner. However, I liked his campaign promises and where his Presidency was going when he died. I might urge you to not consider him for top 10 anything just because of the unusual circumstances surrounding his Presidency. 

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42 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

 

Sorry, I have to err on WH's side.

 

1 hour ago, Biden Should've Run said:

That's true

I am stat, so I was just thinking like a statistician.

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9 hours ago, pilight said:

WHH's grade has to be "Incomplete".  A month in office, most of it bed-ridden, just isn't enough to make a fair judgment.

It's actually a misconception that he was bedridden most of his presidency. He actually was mobile for 3 weeks. He wasn't bedridden until his last week. There's some argument even that his final illness might not have been connected to his inauguration. 

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8 hours ago, vcczar said:

It's actually a misconception that he was bedridden most of his presidency. He actually was mobile for 3 weeks. He wasn't bedridden until his last week. There's some argument even that his final illness might not have been connected to his inauguration. 

Even so, a month isn't enough to judge a presidency

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31 minutes ago, pilight said:

Even so, a month isn't enough to judge a presidency

But he lasted longer than Henri V, King of France, the record-holder for the verified shortest serving head-of-state in history - 20 minutes! :P

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31 minutes ago, Patine said:

But he lasted longer than Henri V, King of France, the record-holder for the verified shortest serving head-of-state in history - 20 minutes! :P

I had not heard of this? Would you share the story?

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19 minutes ago, Patine said:

Actually, I must clarify a mistake. Henri V reigned for 7 days. It was his cousin and successor, Louis XIX, who was the 20 minute monarch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Antoine,_Duke_of_Angoulême

 

Still fascinating.

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13 hours ago, vcczar said:

It's actually a misconception that he was bedridden most of his presidency. He actually was mobile for 3 weeks. He wasn't bedridden until his last week. There's some argument even that his final illness might not have been connected to his inauguration. 

I thought it was generally accepted that he died of septic shock because of fecal matter in the White House water supply, and that it also may have killed President Taylor? He didn't become sick until late March (the 26th, IIRC), which was well after his inauguration.

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1 hour ago, Biden Should've Run said:

I thought it was generally accepted that he died of septic shock because of fecal matter in the White House water supply, and that it also may have killed President Taylor? He didn't become sick until late March (the 26th, IIRC), which was well after his inauguration.

I've never heard of that theory. I'm not discounting it though. 

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10 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I've never heard of that theory. I'm not discounting it though. 

Looks like it may have almost killed Polk too.

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On 3/2/2017 at 4:41 PM, jvikings1 said:

But, you have to look at who responded.  People like @Reagan04 and @Conservative Elector 2 have not done the poll yet.

 

On 3/2/2017 at 6:14 PM, Biden Should've Run said:

That's true

 

On 3/2/2017 at 6:38 PM, Reagan04 said:

 

Sorry, I have to err on WH's side.

So, I sided with Trump - but I guess he won't win it anymore... :P 

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20 minutes ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

 

 

So, I sided with Trump - but I guess he won't win it anymore... :P 

Although, most were predictable.  The only one that was kind of surprising was Reagan04

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33 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

Although, most were predictable.  The only one that was kind of surprising was Reagan04

It's a sad state of modern society when someone is called anything from 'surprising' to 'betraying their convictions and loyalties' for expressing even a single opinion off of the pre-scripted platform of the party or ideology they've already declared themselves as favouring or supporting, no matter what reasons they may have for such 'dissidence.' :S

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5 minutes ago, Patine said:

It's a sad state of modern society when someone is called anything from 'surprising' to 'betraying their convictions and loyalties' for expressing even a single opinion off of the pre-scripted platform of the party or ideology they've already declared themselves as favouring or supporting, no matter what reasons they may have for such 'dissidence.' :S

I don't see how this is the case.  I was surprised to have been wrong on my assumption based on Reagan04's past comments and positions.

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1 minute ago, jvikings1 said:

I don't see how this is the case.  I was surprised to have been wrong on my assumption based on Reagan04's past comments and positions.

To be honest, William Henry Harrison lives up to (in his electoral campaign, anyways) a lot of Tea Party planks (other than massive improvement programs funded by federal money) - a less activist President, a Congress that makes laws without dictation from the President, lack of constant meddling in and dependence on the goings on in other countries, etc. Also, if you follow him, Reagan04 was probably the only regular poster on these forums who was a self-declared Republican who never did give much vocal support at all for Trump. I noticed his lack of enthusiasm for the current President consistently in his posts, anyways.

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