Planned scenarios: South Korea

[Conservative Elector 2]

Since we are awaiting the new popular vote feature in PI I am planning to create South Korean scenarios. The 2017 election will be an exiting one and older elections are pretty good documented on Wikipedia. Korea has a good shape with some provinces, which makes it easy to create a scenario if I have a editable map.

I love Korea and it's culture and have some friends there and a close friend to me is even studying Korean studies for some years now. I also take some courses for a minor there, so it would cool if you are interested in this as well. Any help or aid is always welcome. Cheers!

[Patine]

On ‎2017‎-‎02‎-‎22 at 2:03 PM, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Since we are awaiting the new popular vote feature in PI I am planning to create South Korean scenarios. The 2017 election will be an exiting one and older elections are pretty good documented on Wikipedia. Korea has a good shape with some provinces, which makes it easy to create a scenario if I have a editable map.

I love Korea and it's culture and have some friends there and a close friend to me is even studying Korean studies for some years now. I also take some courses for a minor there, so it would cool if you are interested in this as well. Any help or aid is always welcome. Cheers!

A thing to keep in mind is that social issues should not be issues in South Korea. All the significant parties are effectively socially conservative. The "left-wing" parties are moreso old-school labour-and-workers' rights, corporate regulation and control, and peaceful foreign relations, but they're just as socially conservative as the "right-wing" parties. Also, "right-wing" parties in South Korea are in favour of press and educational censorship to a significant degree, unlike classical US right-wing and modern European right-wing parties.

[daons]

It would be interesting to see something from Korea. There could even be potential for some fantasy reunification scenarios to add some more flavour.

[Patine]

43 minutes ago, daons said:

It would be interesting to see something from Korea. There could even be potential for some fantasy reunification scenarios to add some more flavour.

I don't think Korean reunification would be quite as 'simple' as it was, in say, Germany. In fact, it would likely come after a real mess of situation, to be honest...

[daons]

3 hours ago, Patine said:

I don't think Korean reunification would be quite as 'simple' as it was, in say, Germany. In fact, it would likely come after a real mess of situation, to be honest...

Good point, funnily enough after reading the initial Korea scenario suggestion, today I read an article about the potential difficulties unification. It was on the internal divisions within the South,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/09/why-many-koreans-cant-face-reunification

[daons]

@Conservative Elector 2I have started to create a South Korea 2017 election but am likely to struggle with issues and candidate strengths and platforms. All the issues are named 1,2,3,4 etc at the moment to keep the scenario free from the original US base scenario, but for the issues I was thinking;

Chaebols

China

Debt

Economy

Employment

Environment

Healthcare

Housing

Inequality

Japan

Legacy of Park Geun-hye

North Korea

Public spending

Relations with USA

Taxation

Trade

Unemployment

Welfare

If we can get some ideas on issue descriptions and where the candidates stand we could get a scenario playable without a huge workload.for everyone.

What do people think?

Thanks

 

[Guest]

can you please send me the map so that i can add it to my collection of over 70 maps.

[vcczar]

On 2/22/2017 at 3:03 PM, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Since we are awaiting the new popular vote feature in PI I am planning to create South Korean scenarios. The 2017 election will be an exiting one and older elections are pretty good documented on Wikipedia. Korea has a good shape with some provinces, which makes it easy to create a scenario if I have a editable map.

I love Korea and it's culture and have some friends there and a close friend to me is even studying Korean studies for some years now. I also take some courses for a minor there, so it would cool if you are interested in this as well. Any help or aid is always welcome. Cheers!

For fun, you should make a North Korean election! 

[Guest]

Just now, vcczar said:

For fun, you should make a North Korean election! 

there actually is some variation in their parliament

[Patine]

3 minutes ago, republicaninnyc said:

there actually is some variation in their parliament

Yes, but it's not up to the "voters." Like in the "elections" in the Cold War Warsaw Pact countries, the November 1934, 1936, and 1938 Reichstag ones in Germany, the two late 1920's ones in Italy, the Cuban ones since 1959, the North Vietnamese (and since 1975 Vietnamese) and Laotian (since 1975) ones, the ones in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Yemen during Nasserite/Yemeni Socialist/National Democratic/Ba'athist governments, Zaire during Mbuto's regime, and a number of other such countries (that actually even bothered with a farce of an election, or who didn't "tolerate" token opposition to form for a show of legitimacy, only to be plowed down again and again in rigged elections, like in many post-Cold War African, Asian, and former Soviet nations), the Supreme People's Assembly of North Korea has, in line with the type of election I've mentioned above, one candidate already chosen by Korean Workers' Party for each constituency, which the voters either approve (traditionally with an over 99% approval rating) or reject, by crossing them off, which, because voting isn't secret, leads to harsh penalties for such a dissident voters and often their families and those who live in their communities. So, while there is indeed variance in the SPA of North Korea, like the parliaments of the other systems I've listed above, the choice of that variation has already been made by the governing party in terms of who they put up as candidates, not at all by the "voters."

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Patine said:

approval rating) or reject, by crossing them off, which, because voting isn't secret, leads to harsh penalties for such a dissident voters and often their families and those who live in their communities. So, while there is indeed variance in the SPA of North Korea, like the parliaments of the other systems I've listed above, the choice of that variation has already been made by the governing party in terms of who they put up as candidates, not at all by the "voters."

ok then i'd guess let's do a united korea scenario.

 

[Patine]

11 minutes ago, republicaninnyc said:

ok then i'd guess let's do a united korea scenario.

 

Unification would, as I said above, likely be a real mess and catastrophe, economically, politically, and even in terms of a huge human rights crisis (more similar to Somalia than it is now, in nature, if warlordism hit after a collapse of the KWP regime but before a political reunification could end up happening) first. Plus, so many people in North Korea, especially those born after the Juche Principle was instituted in the late '60's, might suffer so badly from institutional state brainwashing that a remnant, reformed, or rebranded party born from KWP (like the PDS was from the Cold War-era East German SED in early post-reunification German) might still command inordinate amount of support initially in the North despite the utter despotism and disaster they presided over.

[Guest]

Just now, Patine said:

Unification would, as I said above, likely be a real mess and catastrophe, economically, politically, and even in terms of a huge human rights crisis (more similar to Somalia than it is now, in nature, if warlordism hit after a collapse of the KWP regime but before a political reunification could end up happening) first. Plus, so many people in North Korea, especially those born after the Juche Principle was instituted in the late '60's, might suffer so badly from institutional state brainwashing that a remnant, reformed, or rebranded party born from KWP (like the PDS was from the Cold War-era East German SED in early post-reunification German) might still command inordinate amount of support initially in the North despite the utter despotism and disaster they presided over.

That why i'd be a good fictional PI scenario

[Guest]

Please include Kim-Jong Un running for South Korea. You'd be the greatest person ever.

[Guest]

Just now, SirLagsalott said:

Please include Kim-Jong Un running for South Korea. You'd be the greatest person ever.

Nah he'd be too busy launching ballistic missiles

[Guest]

1 hour ago, republicaninnyc said:

Nah he'd be too busy launching ballistic missiles

I guess you could say Kim would... blow away the opposition

[Guest]

I'm curious when this will be done.

[daons]

2 hours ago, republicaninnyc said:

I'm curious when this will be done.

I will need the AI to be able to cope with pop. vote, then I'll need to finalise the candidate platforms and starting funds. Should be quite quick once the update comes. It will be uploaded as a beta and then can evolve from feedback.

[Patine]

1 hour ago, daons said:

I will need the AI to be able to cope with pop. vote, then I'll need to finalise the candidate platforms and starting funds. Should be quite quick once the update comes. It will be uploaded as a beta and then can evolve from feedback.

A tip on platforms. In South Korea, unlike most First World countries, social issues are never election issues UNLESS they deal with the issues around the Korean question (freedom of speech and the press regarding the North, defectors from the North and policy toward them, the prospect of re-unification, which is viewed by many as not likely happening in their lifetime, national security from infiltration and espionage, etc.), but things like same-sex marriage, abortion, religion, gender identity, legalization of banned vice goods and services, etc., are NOT EVEN MENTIONED, let alone become issues.