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#4 James Madison Legacy Poll


James Madison's Legacy Poll  

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  1. 1. Which Madison Administration Policies/Events are Positives for his Legacy? (see comments and glossary in the first comment)

    • Allowed Hamilton's National Bank to expire.
    • Renewed Hamilton's National Bank after the War of 1812, when it was determined the bank was needed after all for recovery.
    • Declared war on the British, despite a weak army and weak financial system, for interfering with shipping and supporting Native American resistance to the US.
    • Following the War of 1812, he approved of the need for a professional standing army.
    • Following the War of 1812, he saw the need to for Hamiltonian high tariffs, which he previously opposed.
    • Vetoed the Bonus Bill, because he was unsure of the constitutionality of federally funding roads, canals and bridges.
    • Waged war against Tecumseh's Native American Confederacy, which opposed assimilation and American settlers.
    • Appointed Joseph Story to the Supreme Court, who would serve for 33 years.
    • Launched an unsuccessful invasion of Canada
    • Prior to the War of 1812, signed the Macon Bill no. 2, which aimed to ease conflict with Britain and France by reopening trade.
    • Retained Jefferson's Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin, who would serve for 12 straight years at the position.
    • Greatly reduced the national debt, but this was undone by the costs of the War of 1812.
    • Appointed James Monroe as Sec of State, after initially refusing him the position for having run against him in 1808.
    • Supported his cabinet members, despite very mixed successes and incompetencies during the War of 1812.
    • Allowed James Monroe to run both the State and War departments, during the later stages of the War of 1812.
    • Asked for an amendment to make federally funded infrastructure clearly constitutional
    • First president to use a formal declaration of war
    • Did not punish New England for elevated secessionist sentiments (Hartford Convention).
    • His War of 1812 "victory" crushed the support of the Federalists, relegating them to regional status, and making America virtually a one-party state.
    • none of the above
  2. 2. part 2 of the above

    • Washington DC was captured and burned
    • Repulsed the British in New York, Baltimore and New Orleans; although, the New Orleans victory occurred after the Peace Treaty was signed.
    • Peace treaty w/ the British that reestablished status quo, with no protection for US shipping. Britain promised to not support Indian attacks. US promised not to invade Canada again.
    • Madison's orders to protect the 5 "Civilized Tribes" from settlers was routinely ignored by settlers, and Madison did little to enforce his order.
    • Annexed part of Spanish Florida, believing it was part of the Louisiana Purchase, despite protests from the Spanish government.
    • Defeated Tecumseh's Confederacy
    • Went to war against the Barbary Pirates in the 2nd Barbary War, quickly defeating them.
    • Popular enough to be succeeded by a successor: James Monroe
    • His relatively directionless first two years of his presidency, combined with growing tension with the British, nearly resurrected the Federalist Party.
    • None of the above
  3. 3. My overall opinion of Madison's presidency is....



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Here's Madison's poll, which will be used towards a forum ranking. I will define lesser known events/decisions in this comment box, so it will be easier to do the poll. Feel free to look them up if I do not provide enough information. I will conduct one president per week. 

Washington, Adams and Jefferson have polls in this forum. Please take these polls if you have not done so already. 

Glossary:

1.3 - Madison had to be convinced by the War Hawks in Congress to go to war. On paper, the US was not prepared for it, and it sort of showed. They declared war, but they were purely on the defensive for most of it.

1.10 - This was basically a follow up after Jefferson's blunderous embargo against the British. This bill aimed at easing trade, but only if these countries stopped seizing ships. Madison reluctantly signed this bill. 

1.13 - Madison was the clear heir apparent for 1808. Monroe, who was the leader of the most conservative wing of the party, ran against Madison for the nomination. The War of 1812, eventually moderated Monroe in his view of government, and he and Madison got along. 

1.14 - There were routine cries for Madison to remove cabinet members. Madison stuck by them, even during some major mishaps. 

1.16 - He believed strongly in infrastructure, but he wanted to make sure he could do so constitutionally. An amendment was considered unnecessary, since infrastructure was deemed necessary and proper. Madison vetoed infrastructure bills. 

1.18 - New England was the major trade region of the US, and the huge bulk of that trade was with Britain. They had been economically hit with Jefferson's embargo, and now they hit again with a war against their top customer. 

1.19 - The Hartford Convention which aimed at New England secession was tied to the Federalists. With victory over the British, it made the Federalists appear unpatriotic. 

2.3 - Although, the war is treated like a victory in public schools, it was definitely a stalemate. 

2.5 - The Spanish government was weak because of the ongoing Napoleonic War. Expansionists saw an easy land grab, since settlers in that part of Florida were wishing to be part of America rather than Spain, since they could better prevent Seminole attacks. The annexation wasn't finalized until Monroe. 

2.9 - This is quite extraordinary since the presidency was much less active than it is today. Madison was probably much more deliberate, but the press took it as directionless. As such, the Federalists gained enough traction to become nearly competitive in the 1812 election. 

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3 hours ago, Take Me to La Riva said:

James Madison: The American Napoleon.

You never voted on Jefferson. I don't think there is a comparison with Madison and Napoleon. Napoleon was much more competent. If anything, Madison would be more comparable to Santa Ana. 

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I think a good debate would be, which president's ranking is too much impacted by the fame of their prior accomplishments: John Adams or James Madison

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10 minutes ago, Patine said:

@vcczar

 

I just filled this in as well. You must forgive my conceit as a Canadian for checking off allowing Washington, D.C. to be captured and burned (but I notice two other people checked that one off too). :P

I think it's very good to get international people involved in ranking our presidents, since not a country in the world is unaffected by us. 

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5 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I think it's very good to get international people involved in ranking our presidents, since not a country in the world is unaffected by us. 

Though, arguably, the US didn't directly impact every nation in the world when Madison was President, but I'm quibbling here... :P

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59 minutes ago, Patine said:

Though, arguably, the US didn't directly impact every nation in the world when Madison was President, but I'm quibbling here... :P

I'd argue that the stage was being set, regardless if it was Madison's intention. Also, as a Canadian, I'm sure you're happy his invasion of Canada wasn't a success. The attempt to acquire Canada was fairly prominent from 1774-1815. They tried to get Canada to join as a 14th colony. They invaded Canada in the Revolutionary War. Pro-French expansionists wanted the West and Canada, and Carribean, while pro-British expansionists wanted the West, Cuba, Central and South America. 

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2 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I'd argue that the stage was being set, regardless if it was Madison's intention. Also, as a Canadian, I'm sure you're happy his invasion of Canada wasn't a success. The attempt to acquire Canada was fairly prominent from 1774-1815. They tried to get Canada to join as a 14th colony. They invaded Canada in the Revolutionary War. Pro-French expansionists wanted the West and Canada, and Carribean, while pro-British expansionists wanted the West, Cuba, Central and South America. 

I remember reading that in the original ratification process stated during the US Constitutional Convention in 1787, a reservation was made for "automatic accession" by Quebec (the collective for the British Colony later divided in to Upper and Lower Canada in 1791, then unified into the Province of Canada in 1841, then divided into two of the four original Canadian provinces of Ontario and Quebec, with the same borders as Upper and Lower Canada, respectively, at the time of Canadian Confederation in 1867). Another significant note was that the de facto Vermont Republic was NOT give such an automatic accession reservation.

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18 hours ago, Patine said:

I remember reading that in the original ratification process stated during the US Constitutional Convention in 1787, a reservation was made for "automatic accession" by Quebec (the collective for the British Colony later divided in to Upper and Lower Canada in 1791, then unified into the Province of Canada in 1841, then divided into two of the four original Canadian provinces of Ontario and Quebec, with the same borders as Upper and Lower Canada, respectively, at the time of Canadian Confederation in 1867). Another significant note was that the de facto Vermont Republic was NOT give such an automatic accession reservation.

Yeah, the Vermont situation is really odd. I think the states that claimed that land were not interested in parting with it. Speaking of states. I'm assuming you know that Ohio, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc., used to be "uninhabited" parts of the 13 colonies. Here's a map. Imagine if none of these places released their land to become separate states: KYYesterday13Colonies.jpg

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