jnewt 15 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 A couple of days before the election I was bored and decided to create my ideal Presidential Administration. I put some thought into each and every position because I thought, maybe Hillary would pick some of the people I listed. But then Trump went and won the election, so I decided to make my predictions for his cabinet as well. My Ideal Administration President: Bernie Sanders Vice President: Sherrod Brown Secretary of State: Wesley Clark Secretary of the Treasury: Elizabeth Warren Secretary of Defense: Jim Webb Attorney General: Deval Patrick Secretary of the Interior: Mark Udall Secretary of Agriculture: Blanche Lincoln Secretary of Commerce: Robert Reich Secretary of Labor: Dennis Kucinich Secretary of Health and Human Services: Howard Koh Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Greg Stanton Secretary of Transportation: Bakari Sellers Secretary of Energy: Jerry McNerney Secretary of Education: Michelle Obama Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Lawrence Wilkerson Secretary of Homeland Security: Avril Haines Chief of Staff: Jeff Weaver Administrator of the EPA: Bill McKibben Trade Representative: Tony Blinken Ambassador to the U.N.: Jon Huntsman Supreme Court Nominees: Merrick Garland, Barack Obama Trump Predictions Secretary of State: Newt Gingrich Treasury Secretary: Steve Mnuchin SecDef: Jeff Sessions A.G.: Rudy Giuliani Interior Secretary: Sarah Palin Agriculture Secretary: Sid Miller Commerce Secretary: Lew Eisenberg Labor Secretary: Victoria Lipnic HHS Secretary: Bobby Jindal HUD Secretary: Pam Patenaude Transportation Secretary: John Mica Energy Secretary: Harold Hamm Education Secretary: Ben Carson Veterans Affairs Secretary: Jeff Miller Homeland Security Secretary: David Clarke Chief of Staff: Reince Priebus Administrator of the EPA: Myron Ebell Trade Representative: Dan DiMicco Ambassador to the U.N.: Kelly Ayotte National Security Advisor: Michael Flynn Supreme Court Nominee: William Pryor Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 607 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 11 hours ago, jnewt said: A couple of days before the election I was bored and decided to create my ideal Presidential Administration. I put some thought into each and every position because I thought, maybe Hillary would pick some of the people I listed. But then Trump went and won the election, so I decided to make my predictions for his cabinet as well. My Ideal Administration President: Bernie Sanders Vice President: Sherrod Brown Secretary of State: Wesley Clark Secretary of the Treasury: Elizabeth Warren Secretary of Defense: Jim Webb Attorney General: Deval Patrick Secretary of the Interior: Mark Udall Secretary of Agriculture: Blanche Lincoln Secretary of Commerce: Robert Reich Secretary of Labor: Dennis Kucinich Secretary of Health and Human Services: Howard Koh Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Greg Stanton Secretary of Transportation: Bakari Sellers Secretary of Energy: Jerry McNerney Secretary of Education: Michelle Obama Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Lawrence Wilkerson Secretary of Homeland Security: Avril Haines Chief of Staff: Jeff Weaver Administrator of the EPA: Bill McKibben Trade Representative: Tony Blinken Ambassador to the U.N.: Jon Huntsman Supreme Court Nominees: Merrick Garland, Barack Obama Trump Predictions Secretary of State: Newt Gingrich Treasury Secretary: Steve Mnuchin SecDef: Jeff Sessions A.G.: Rudy Giuliani Interior Secretary: Sarah Palin Agriculture Secretary: Sid Miller Commerce Secretary: Lew Eisenberg Labor Secretary: Victoria Lipnic HHS Secretary: Bobby Jindal HUD Secretary: Pam Patenaude Transportation Secretary: John Mica Energy Secretary: Harold Hamm Education Secretary: Ben Carson Veterans Affairs Secretary: Jeff Miller Homeland Security Secretary: David Clarke Chief of Staff: Reince Priebus Administrator of the EPA: Myron Ebell Trade Representative: Dan DiMicco Ambassador to the U.N.: Kelly Ayotte National Security Advisor: Michael Flynn Supreme Court Nominee: William Pryor I would put Huntsman at state, and create the Department of Peace for Kucinich, which is a department he proposed. It would handle humanitarian work both foreign and domestic. I'm not sure if it would be cabinet-level though. I would make a few other changes as well. I don't if I'd have Warren at Treasury, since she isn't an economist. One of the problems with your ideal list is that it takes people out of the Senate, who need to stay there, since a Republican would appoint the successor. Link to post Share on other sites
TheMiddlePolitical 32 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 7 minutes ago, vcczar said: I would put Huntsman at state, and create the Department of Peace for Kucinich, which is a department he proposed. It would handle humanitarian work both foreign and domestic. I'm not sure if it would be cabinet-level though. I would make a few other changes as well. I don't if I'd have Warren at Treasury, since she isn't an economist. One of the problems with your ideal list is that it takes people out of the Senate, who need to stay there, since a Republican would appoint the successor. So after much debate with you,may you prove my prediction right my friend? I am very surprised Trump won Wisconsin and not Nevada and New Hampshire however I was predicting a PA and MI victory throughout,as you know. Also now since this election is over Id like help with the 1960 election starting out and continuing to the rest that havent been done yet. Especially ones like 60,68,72,88,92,and 96 Link to post Share on other sites
victorraiders 0 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 1 hour ago, TheMiddlePolitical said: So after much debate with you,may you prove my prediction right my friend? I am very surprised Trump won Wisconsin and not Nevada and New Hampshire however I was predicting a PA and MI victory throughout,as you know. Also now since this election is over Id like help with the 1960 election starting out and continuing to the rest that havent been done yet. Especially ones like 60,68,72,88,92,and 96 hi i like help with that talk with my Link to post Share on other sites
TheMiddlePolitical 32 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 3 hours ago, victor1313 said: hi i like help with that talk with my PM me I'm starting with 1960. Link to post Share on other sites
jvikings1 22 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 Obama in the Supreme Court ... disgusting. Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 246 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, jvikings1 said: Obama in the Supreme Court ... disgusting. Wouldn't be worse, just a close to polar opposite, but just as bad, all-in-all, as Cruz, whose also been mentioned several times for such a role on these forums. Link to post Share on other sites
jvikings1 22 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Patine said: Wouldn't be worse, just a close to polar opposite, but just as bad, all-in-all, as Cruz, whose also been mentioned several times for such a role on these forums. Except Cruz actually has experience in the Constitution and doesn't constantly try to violate the Constitution because Congress isn't doing something that he wants. Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 607 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I'd rather have Cruz on the court and out of the Senate and presidential politics. He's my least favorite politician of my life time. Link to post Share on other sites
victorraiders 0 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 4 hours ago, TheMiddlePolitical said: PM me I'm starting with 1960. hi here appear themiddlepolitical dont receive PM... try PM my Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 607 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I'll review anyone's 1960-2004 scenarios, and offer feedback, but I won't have time to really co-author any scenarios. Link to post Share on other sites
jnewt 15 Posted November 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 10 hours ago, vcczar said: I would put Huntsman at state, and create the Department of Peace for Kucinich, which is a department he proposed. It would handle humanitarian work both foreign and domestic. I'm not sure if it would be cabinet-level though. I would make a few other changes as well. I don't if I'd have Warren at Treasury, since she isn't an economist. One of the problems with your ideal list is that it takes people out of the Senate, who need to stay there, since a Republican would appoint the successor. I thought about Huntsman at State but that would mean I would have to move Clark to Defense and I really wanted to keep Webb there. That pretty much just left me with Ambassador for Huntsman. I decided I was okay with taking both Brown and Warren out of the Senate for two reasons: Brown would (hopefully) help Sanders win Ohio which I think would outweigh the loss of him in the Senate Warren's expertise in business law would benefit Sanders in dealing with Wall Street, and even though a Republican would be appointed to replace her, that would only be temporary, as Joe Kennedy III would probably run and win the Special Election. Link to post Share on other sites
jnewt 15 Posted November 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 4 hours ago, jvikings1 said: Obama in the Supreme Court ... disgusting. I know you obviously don't think Obama is a good President, but would you agree that a good President (whatever you think that is) who also has a background in law (as Obama did, as a civil rights attorney and teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago) would make a fine Supreme Court justice, as they would have direct experience in dealing with the ins and outs of the Constitution? Link to post Share on other sites
jvikings1 22 Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 On 11/13/2016 at 10:12 PM, jnewt said: I know you obviously don't think Obama is a good President, but would you agree that a good President (whatever you think that is) who also has a background in law (as Obama did, as a civil rights attorney and teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago) would make a fine Supreme Court justice, as they would have direct experience in dealing with the ins and outs of the Constitution? If that President has had experience in practicing Constitutional law (such as solicitor general) and was not focused on bending the Constitution when Congress does not act, then I would think that that President would be qualified for the Supreme Court. Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 246 Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 1 hour ago, jvikings1 said: If that President has had experience in practicing Constitutional law (such as solicitor general) and was not focused on bending the Constitution when Congress does not act, then I would think that that President would be qualified for the Supreme Court. But Cruz is in favour of upholding socially conservative legislation as constitutional that is, in effect, by intimation if not direct statement, unconstitutional and only deprives usually otherwise law-abiding citizens of basic rights enjoyed by other Americans, not for purpose of law and order, economic stability, national defense, protection of property, or other constitutional purogatives of government, but for enforcing a moral stance and belief system not followed by all Americans, in a country that also guarantees "freedom of religion, conscience, and creed." Link to post Share on other sites
Herbert Hoover 81 Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 I can't think of the remaining spots, but here is my "dream team" of what positions I am certain of. President: Albert Gore Vice President: Martin O'Malley Secretary of State: Bernie Sanders Secretary of the Treasury: Bill Clinton Secretary of Defense: Jim Webb Secretary of Labor: Dennis Kucinich Secretary of Education: Jennifer Granholm Ambassador to the U.N.: Jon Huntsman Supreme Court Nominees: Merrick Garland, Barack Obama Link to post Share on other sites
jvikings1 22 Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 On 11/15/2016 at 9:29 PM, Patine said: But Cruz is in favour of upholding socially conservative legislation as constitutional that is, in effect, by intimation if not direct statement, unconstitutional and only deprives usually otherwise law-abiding citizens of basic rights enjoyed by other Americans, not for purpose of law and order, economic stability, national defense, protection of property, or other constitutional purogatives of government, but for enforcing a moral stance and belief system not followed by all Americans, in a country that also guarantees "freedom of religion, conscience, and creed." It is debatable because of the vagueness of some of the Amendments. But, that is not nearly that same as what Obama has done which is blatantly violating the Constitution. Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 246 Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Just now, jvikings1 said: It is debatable because of the vagueness of some of the Amendments. But, that is not nearly that same as what Obama has done which is blatantly violating the Constitution. Name me an American President since WW2, either Democratic or Republican, who could NOT be said to have violated the US Constitution or stepped outside the roles, powers, and duties of their office, putting aside motivations or possibly arguable necessity of the time, at some point or other in their presidency? Link to post Share on other sites
jvikings1 22 Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 13 minutes ago, Patine said: Name me an American President since WW2, either Democratic or Republican, who could NOT be said to have violated the US Constitution or stepped outside the roles, powers, and duties of their office, putting aside motivations or possibly arguable necessity of the time, at some point or other in their presidency? I do not think I can answer this because 1) Even though I have studied past Presidencies, I have not gone into nearly enough depth to determine this, 2) I was not alive during most of those administration which would require lass of research like I stated in #2, and 3) despite what I said, there probably is not a President that has not which makes all those Presidents not valid for the Supreme Court under my requirements. Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 607 Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 21 hours ago, jvikings1 said: I do not think I can answer this because 1) Even though I have studied past Presidencies, I have not gone into nearly enough depth to determine this, 2) I was not alive during most of those administration which would require lass of research like I stated in #2, and 3) despite what I said, there probably is not a President that has not which makes all those Presidents not valid for the Supreme Court under my requirements. In fact, there could be a case made that not a single US President has played within the bounds of the Constitution, depending on how extreme one is in regards to it. As this is the case, one could argue that if any Supreme Court Justice had become president, they probably would have operated somewhere along the scale of James Buchanan to FDR. Personally, I think Obama would make a great Supreme Court Justice. I think he would take the role seriously and be among one of the greatest writers in Supreme Court history. He's probably the only US President since Taft (arguably Wilson) that I could picture as a Supreme Court Justice. Naturally, I think there must be better suited judges than Obama--like Merrick Garland, for instance, who is really a swing judge. It would be one thing for Republicans to block a very liberal judge, but this guy gets high accolades from the same Republicans trying to block him, which is absurd. I think if Trump picks a swing judge, then the Democrats should confirm it. But if he picks a hard-core conservative they should go an eye-for-an-eye and do whatever they can to block it. If it is impossible to block it, it's probably better to just fully cooperate, and confirm the judge, as a show of being responsible. Link to post Share on other sites
jvikings1 22 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 20 hours ago, vcczar said: In fact, there could be a case made that not a single US President has played within the bounds of the Constitution, depending on how extreme one is in regards to it. As this is the case, one could argue that if any Supreme Court Justice had become president, they probably would have operated somewhere along the scale of James Buchanan to FDR. Personally, I think Obama would make a great Supreme Court Justice. I think he would take the role seriously and be among one of the greatest writers in Supreme Court history. He's probably the only US President since Taft (arguably Wilson) that I could picture as a Supreme Court Justice. Naturally, I think there must be better suited judges than Obama--like Merrick Garland, for instance, who is really a swing judge. It would be one thing for Republicans to block a very liberal judge, but this guy gets high accolades from the same Republicans trying to block him, which is absurd. I think if Trump picks a swing judge, then the Democrats should confirm it. But if he picks a hard-core conservative they should go an eye-for-an-eye and do whatever they can to block it. If it is impossible to block it, it's probably better to just fully cooperate, and confirm the judge, as a show of being responsible. Which proves that they should not be in a position to violate the Constitution in a legal position. Link to post Share on other sites
Reagan04 373 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 IDEAL ADMINISTRATION: President: Ted Cruz Vice President: Marco Rubio Secretary of State: Lindsey Graham Secretary of the Treasury: Ron Paul Secretary of Defense: Tom Cotton Attorney General: Jeff Sessions Secretary of the Interior: Sarah Palin Secretary of Agriculture: Sam Brownback Secretary of Commerce: Rand Paul Secretary of Labor (Combined with Commerce to create Department of Economy): Rand Paul Secretary of Health and Human Services: Ben Carson Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: vacant Secretary of Transportation: vacant Secretary of Energy: Harold Hamm Secretary of Education: vacant Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Jim Webb Secretary of Homeland Security: Mike Flynn Supreme Court Nominees: Mike Lee, Roy Moore Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 246 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Reagan04 said: IDEAL ADMINISTRATION: President: Ted Cruz Vice President: Marco Rubio Secretary of State: Lindsey Graham Secretary of the Treasury: Ron Paul Secretary of Defense: Tom Cotton Attorney General: Jeff Sessions Secretary of the Interior: Sarah Palin Secretary of Agriculture: Sam Brownback Secretary of Commerce: Rabd Paul Secretary of Labor (Combined with Commerce to create Department of Economy): Rand Paul Secretary of Health and Human Services: Ben Carson Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: vacant Secretary of Transportation: vacant Secretary of Energy: Harold Hamm Secretary of Education: vacant Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Jim Webb Secretary of Homeland Security: Mike Flynn Supreme Court Nominees: Mike Lee, Roy Moore That is a cabinet almost as scary as a zombie apocalypse... Link to post Share on other sites
Reagan04 373 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just now, Patine said: That is a cabinet almost as scary as a zombie apocalypse... From you Patine, that is one of your greatest compliments! Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 607 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Reagan04 said: IDEAL ADMINISTRATION: President: Ted Cruz Vice President: Marco Rubio Secretary of State: Lindsey Graham Secretary of the Treasury: Ron Paul Secretary of Defense: Tom Cotton Attorney General: Jeff Sessions Secretary of the Interior: Sarah Palin Secretary of Agriculture: Sam Brownback Secretary of Commerce: Rand Paul Secretary of Labor (Combined with Commerce to create Department of Economy): Rand Paul Secretary of Health and Human Services: Ben Carson Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: vacant Secretary of Transportation: vacant Secretary of Energy: Harold Hamm Secretary of Education: vacant Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Jim Webb Secretary of Homeland Security: Mike Flynn Supreme Court Nominees: Mike Lee, Roy Moore Truly awful. America would cease to be anything resembling great after 4 years of that. Immigration would cease, and the best and brightest would emigrate to other countries. Although, as much as I dislike this cabinet, the soundest picks are Graham for State, Webb for Veterans Affairs and Rubio for VP. Link to post Share on other sites
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