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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/polls-clinton-ahead-florida-pennsylvania-n662076

BREAKING! Latest A+ polls out today!

NBC: Clinton +12/12 (PA), Clinton +3/+2 (FL)

https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/785110452900597771

CBS: Clinton +8 (PA), Clinton +4 (OH), Clinton +4 (WI)

#HillarySurge #Unstoppable #StrongerTogether #Hillary2016 #HighEnergy!

@Dallas; Still waiting to hear about your "sources" that say Drumpf is growing his "lead".

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3 hours ago, Kauai said:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/polls-clinton-ahead-florida-pennsylvania-n662076

BREAKING! Latest A+ polls out today!

NBC: Clinton +12/12 (PA), Clinton +3/+2 (FL)

https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/785110452900597771

CBS: Clinton +8 (PA), Clinton +4 (OH), Clinton +4 (WI)

#HillarySurge #Unstoppable #StrongerTogether #Hillary2016 #HighEnergy!

@Dallas; Still waiting to hear about your "sources" that say Drumpf is growing his "lead".

If I am so full of it, then you won't care that I blocked you. My sources are not from the MSM, and that is all I need to say. These non MSM sources are very credible people, but that does not take away the fact, that you are very, very toxic. Other members on this forum pointed out someone else that was supposedly toxic, and I am noticing you are carrying that very behavior. 

 

On a side note, this is the first user I have blocked, since I created my account here in 2014. I hope to NOT have to block anyone else. 

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@Kauai

@Dallas blocked you for being uncivil in your tone. I did the same with @Reagan04 (although, it was for more than just tone. I've unblocked him to give him a second chance). I disagree with Dallas about 95% of the time, and I agree with you about 95% of the time. However, I do agree with him as far as you're tone in this case. I encourage you to present our shared point of views in a manner that is more likely to encourage understanding rather than defiance. 

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2 hours ago, vcczar said:

@Kauai

@Dallas blocked you for being uncivil in your tone. I did the same with @Reagan04 (although, it was for more than just tone. I've unblocked him to give him a second chance). I disagree with Dallas about 95% of the time, and I agree with you about 95% of the time. However, I do agree with him as far as you're tone in this case. I encourage you to present our shared point of views in a manner that is more likely to encourage understanding rather than defiance.

This debate is indeed getting nasty and out of hand, and I regret I allowed myself to get dragged into it a few times with opinionated posts. While I'm not blocking anyone, I'm going to have to show more discipline in my resolution to stop futilely debating political ideals in this way on the Internet.

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@Kauai Your're worse then @Reagan04 was at his absolutely worst point. I mean,your just getting spratic and out of hand. This is a civil discussion forum not Facebook,I have blocked you for this manner as well.

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On ‎10‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 5:20 PM, Patine said:

I just want to say to everyone on this thread that I've heard an old idiom (it might be mostly Canadian and British, as those are the circle of politics I've mostly heard it in, though), that is a comparison for something being "as insincere as a politician's apology." That being said, Trump always struck me as a smarmy, smug, and sleasey individual, even back when he was just starting to open casinos and hotels and selling Commodore computers back in the '80's. Really, the biggest fear that I have about that Clinton speech is "single-payer across the Americas." Here in Canada, we already has a better system of public healthcare in place by far and I worry about us being pressured to down downgrade to a mean, hemispheric average. ;)  Now, despite Trump trying to drag him down with his "apology," what will be Bill Clinton's almost inevitable, it seems, tile come inauguration? Is it "First Gentleman?" I'm not even sure...

You can keep your government run healthcare. We don't want it in the US.  If our politicians were not idiots, there are simple fixes that would greatly improve the system. (like getting rid of stupid government regulations like state line restrictions)

On ‎10‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 2:13 PM, Kauai said:

 

She wants the Americas to eventually have the same kind of free movement as the EU. What's so bad about this?

The British people saw the disaster that the EU has caused and voted out.  Ask @Conservative Elector 2 about the EU, he actually has to deal with it.  But, it is good to see that you are in board for the globalist mission of ridding the American people of their sovereignty.

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39 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

You can keep your government run healthcare. We don't want it in the US.  If our politicians were not idiots, there are simple fixes that would greatly improve the system. (like getting rid of stupid government regulations like state line restrictions)

 

In a nation as wealthy and advanced as the United States, having the same general system of health care access as is used in countries like India, Russia, and Mexico, is not liberty, it is an embarrassment.

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24 minutes ago, Patine said:

In a nation as wealthy and advanced as the United States, having the same general system of health care access as is used in countries like India, Russia, and Mexico, is not liberty, it is an embarrassment.

I am perfectly fine with no government control of healthcare.  Government has done a great job a raising the costs of healthcare through things like Obamacare and state line restrictions.  The government is the problem and is the embarrassment.  Not having full government control is a relief and less government in healthcare would be more of a relief and would help lower prices.

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1 minute ago, jvikings1 said:

I am perfectly fine with no government control of healthcare.  Government has done a great job a raising the costs of healthcare through things like Obamacare and state line restrictions.  The government is the problem and is the embarrassment.  Not having full government control is a relief and less government in healthcare would be more of a relief and would help lower prices.

A relief for you, perhaps, but what about a wage slave working at two jobs at fast food joints to raise a family of four who, due to no fault of their own, contracts cancer?

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8 minutes ago, Patine said:

A relief for you, perhaps, but what about a wage slave working at two jobs at fast food joints to raise a family of four who, due to no fault of their own, contracts cancer?

My brother broke his arm last year.  Both of my parents work (my mom at about minimum wage), and it still effected our budget in ways that we are only recently recovering from.  Obamacare was responsible for this.  My parents had their healthcare costs doubled because of Obamacare and this showed in the costs of surgery.  The overage has also gotten worse.  Government is destroying competition which is raising prices and lowering quality.  Prices in Tennessee have doubled. In Kentucky, prices have gone up a lot as well.  This is why a government monopoly is a bad idea.  The VA is government run healthcare, and it is a disaster.  If the government would reduce its role in the healthcare market, there would be much more competition and the quality would increase.

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1 minute ago, jvikings1 said:

My brother broke his arm last year.  Both of my parents work (my mom at about minimum wage), and it still effected our budget in ways that we are only recently recovering from.  Obamacare was responsible for this.  My parents had their healthcare costs doubled because of Obamacare and this showed in the costs of surgery.  The overage has also gotten worse.  Government is destroying competition which is raising prices and lowering quality.  Prices in Tennessee have doubled. In Kentucky, prices have gone up a lot as well.  This is why a government monopoly is a bad idea.  The VA is government run healthcare, and it is a disaster.  If the government would reduce its role in the healthcare market, there would be much more competition and the quality would increase.

But, there is a misconception, it seems among many Americans, that Obamacare is somehow analogous to, or works pretty much the same, as the public or national healthcare systems of Canada and much of Europe. I'm telling you now, despite the strong belief therein, they're nothing alike. Obamacare is a labrynthine, broken, clunky, Jabberwacky and Frankenstein's Monster created from unworkable political compromise, and is in no way comparable to the national and public healthcare systems of virtually every other First World Country (except the Five Dragons, which have very comprehensive employee medical benefit plans designed to ensure long-term loyalty to employers instead).

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

But, there is a misconception, it seems among many Americans, that Obamacare is somehow analogous to, or works pretty much the same, as the public or national healthcare systems of Canada and much of Europe. I'm telling you now, despite the strong belief therein, they're nothing alike. Obamacare is a labrynthine, broken, clunky, Jabberwacky and Frankenstein's Monster created from unworkable political compromise, and is in no way comparable to the national and public healthcare systems of virtually every other First World Country (except the Five Dragons, which have very comprehensive employee medical benefit plans designed to ensure long-term loyalty to employers instead).

I am not saying Obamacare is the same, rather I am giving examples of government causing trouble.  Coming up with "solutions" that make the problem worse.  The VA is like the systems in Europe and vets are waiting weeks and even months to get coverage.  Many are dying because they cannot get to a doctor.  They have been many scandals involving the VA.  There are waiting lines in places like Germany because the government has to ration healthcare.  People have to give up almost all of the money that they make because of different taxes.

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On 10/8/2016 at 1:57 PM, Kauai said:

Drumpf's campaign for president is OVER, and thank God! In the past day over 10 Republican senators and governors who endorsed Trump have withdrawn endorsements and called on him to drop out. This is unprecedented, do you Trumpers really think he has any chance now when Madame President was already dominating the polls? Dodged a bullet here, America! 

 

On 10/8/2016 at 2:14 PM, Kauai said:

Nah. I humored you before, this time it's really and truly over for Drumpf.

Nice little side show while it lasted though.

You have about a month to get use to saying Madame President, start practicing or get in your basket! :lol:

 

On 10/8/2016 at 2:20 PM, Kauai said:

Sorry ~ I honestly don't mean to spam, but news is just moving so quickly.

Breaking; Number 3. in US Senate and first member of the Republican leadership to call for Drumpf to drop out; John Thune!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/08/gop_leader_to_donald_trump_drop_out.html

EDIT;

Governor of Nevada, Sandoval has withdrawn endorsement and won't vote for Drumpf! 

Senator Capito of WV, Senator Fischer of NE and Governor Bentley of AL (a hardcore Trumper) have also withdrawn endorsements and called on him to drop out.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/08/here_are_the_republicans_calling_on_trump_to_drop_out_after_2005_audio_was.html

 

EDIT; Senator Gardner (R-CO) is OUT!

BREAKING; A few months late, but John McCain is OUT!!

 

 

On 10/8/2016 at 6:08 PM, Kauai said:

Get in your basket! Oh, and better start getting ready to say 'Madame President'.

The only thing that's going to bring you back to reality is the banner on Faux News this November that says 'HILLARY CLINTON ELECTED FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT'.

 

See you then.

 

On 10/9/2016 at 0:27 PM, Kauai said:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/polls-clinton-ahead-florida-pennsylvania-n662076

BREAKING! Latest A+ polls out today!

NBC: Clinton +12/12 (PA), Clinton +3/+2 (FL)

https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/785110452900597771

CBS: Clinton +8 (PA), Clinton +4 (OH), Clinton +4 (WI)

#HillarySurge #Unstoppable #StrongerTogether #Hillary2016 #HighEnergy!

@Dallas; Still waiting to hear about your "sources" that say Drumpf is growing his "lead".

I'm having a fit reading this.

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On ‎10‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 8:53 PM, Kauai said:

Ignoring your other comment, I'm genuinely curious to see these polls that say Donald Trump's non-existent lead has increased? Your link says nothing about it.

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All of these were pre-pussygate, btw. Can't wait to see Drumpf collapse further!

Missed one @Reagan04

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On 10/8/2016 at 1:19 PM, CalebsParadox said:

I'm referring primarily to Trump and the 2005 tape where he disgustingly talks about women and harassing them/trying to make a married woman have sex with him,  and Clinton with her backroom speeches about overwhelmingly supporting free trade and having a public and separate personal position on issues. 

Do nixon count?

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On 10/8/2016 at 1:57 PM, Kauai said:

Drumpf's campaign for president is OVER, and thank God! In the past day over 10 Republican senators and governors who endorsed Trump have withdrawn endorsements and called on him to drop out. This is unprecedented, do you Trumpers really think he has any chance now when Madame President was already dominating the polls? Dodged a bullet here, America! 

This post did not age well.

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On 10/8/2016 at 0:43 PM, TheMiddlePolitical said:

Trump apologized,you honestly don't think politicians talk about like that behind closed doors? Clintons scandal (this time) Is about our country and is serious.

I wouldn't really call that an apology. If you watch the tape, it was probably the most half-assed apology I'd ever seen. He sounded angry while apologizing. It was one of the only times on campaign when he used a teleprompter, which meant it didn't come from his heart or possibly even from his own writing. Also, the film quality of the apology was extremely low grade, for whatever reason he went relatively lo-fi with the apology message. He was basically enraged that he felt forced to do that. I don't think he is capable of being apologetic. I think a lot of people that voted for him would even agree with me here. 

I do agree with you that other politicians probably talk like that pretty frequently, only Trump was caught. 

As far as Clinton's scandals, I don't see how her scandals are any more damaging to the country than Trump's Russia scandal, if even half of those things are proven to be true.

Overall, Trump and Clinton are the two worst candidate (in regards to corruption and integrity) in American history. I can't believe they won the primaries and faced each other in the general. Whenever Trump is done, may we never have such terrible candidate for any of our parties again. What a disgrace to American History. 

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4 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I wouldn't really call that an apology. If you watch the tape, it was probably the most half-assed apology I'd ever seen. He sounded angry while apologizing. It was one of the only times on campaign when he used a teleprompter, which meant it didn't come from his heart or possibly even from his own writing. Also, the film quality of the apology was extremely low grade, for whatever reason he went relatively lo-fi with the apology message. He was basically enraged that he felt forced to do that. I don't think he is capable of being apologetic. I think a lot of people that voted for him would even agree with me here. 

I do agree with you that other politicians probably talk like that pretty frequently, only Trump was caught. 

As far as Clinton's scandals, I don't see how her scandals are any more damaging to the country than Trump's Russia scandal, if even half of those things are proven to be true.

Overall, Trump and Clinton are the two worst candidate (in regards to corruption and integrity) in American history. I can't believe they won the primaries and faced each other in the general. Whenever Trump is done, may we never have such terrible candidate for any of our parties again. What a disgrace to American History. 

This (regarding the two worst main candidates in a GE in a U.S. Presidential election) is what I had been saying since about August 2015 on these forums and elsewhere without relenting or wavering (though I was more charitable than @vcczar and said 1852 was about as bad). The American voters really got screwed in this general election, no matter how you dice it, review it, retrospectively portray it, or hash it over. Again, I'm glad I was not eligible to vote in the United States and didn't have to make that agonizing decision and be responsible for making it, strangely enough.

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33 minutes ago, Patine said:

This (regarding the two worst main candidates in a GE in a U.S. Presidential election) is what I had been saying since about August 2015 on these forums and elsewhere without relenting or wavering (though I was more charitable than @vcczar and said 1852 was about as bad). The American voters really got screwed in this general election, no matter how you dice it, review it, retrospectively portray it, or hash it over. Again, I'm glad I was not eligible to vote in the United States and didn't have to make that agonizing decision and be responsible for making it, strangely enough.

I was sort of resigned to the fact that Clinton would be the Democratic nominee as soon as she announced her candidacy. I knew I would have to reluctantly vote for her, regardless of who the Republican nominee was, since we all know that when we elect a candidate we also elect the party to fill all the offices, signs and vetoes laws passed by Congress, increases or decreases funds for specific budgets, etc. In this sense, I'd probably vote for someone that was 10x worse than Clinton if they were a Democrat facing a Republican, since even Kasich and Huntsman, who I like, will have to fill half or more of their offices with extremely conservative people. I think the fact that Trump was running against Clinton made me feel a little better about supporting her, since she was facing a moral and/or ethical twin in Trump. I voted for Sanders in the primaries about 90% sure he wouldn't win the nomination. He pretty much hit his ceiling of support, unfortunately.  

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1 hour ago, vcczar said:

I was sort of resigned to the fact that Clinton would be the Democratic nominee as soon as she announced her candidacy. I knew I would have to reluctantly vote for her, regardless of who the Republican nominee was, since we all know that when we elect a candidate we also elect the party to fill all the offices, signs and vetoes laws passed by Congress, increases or decreases funds for specific budgets, etc. In this sense, I'd probably vote for someone that was 10x worse than Clinton if they were a Democrat facing a Republican, since even Kasich and Huntsman, who I like, will have to fill half or more of their offices with extremely conservative people. I think the fact that Trump was running against Clinton made me feel a little better about supporting her, since she was facing a moral and/or ethical twin in Trump. I voted for Sanders in the primaries about 90% sure he wouldn't win the nomination. He pretty much hit his ceiling of support, unfortunately.  

Party-line voting having become a necessity to the electoral political process is highly unfortunate. Political parties are one of the biggest poisons in the well of electoral governance, in pretty much every nation and self-governing or autonomous polity that has it (except for a few small nations in Oceania and a few self-governing territories of several nations, that run on strictly non-partisan systems).

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