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It's fanatastic! Great job!

They only thing I would suggest is that you change some of the issues to make them more relevant, as all but one are from the US 2004 election and I'm no expert on French politics, but I'd doubt they'd be the same.

That's the only thing though, besides that it's great!

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I have some ideas on a few issues : the working time, Europe, Euro, unemployement, etc... but I don't know how to formulate it so that it is in good English

would anyone like to help me ? to find issues and positions

Some links on the subject :

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/a...-218426,00.html

http://www.socialistworld.net/index2.html?...6/04France.html

http://www.dsp.org.au/links/back/issue23/Duval.htm

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/vote-m06.shtml

thanks much in advance ;)

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Fais-le approximativement, relis-toi et soumets les, s'il reste des grosses erreurs, le monde va t'avertir ici. C'est ça que j'ai fait en tout cas, j'ai demandé à aucun anglophone pour les enjeux de mon scénario pour le Québec dans Prime Minister Forever.

Oh BTW, ever thought about using the preferential voting system of PM4E Australia to create a scenario simulating the legislative elections in France? The preferential system could simulate the two turns of those elections.

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Bonjour! J'mappelle hardright.  Parle Anglais?  :huh:

Je ne me suis pas procuré PM4E Australie. Quels sont ses avantages ? Combien de partis peut-on créer ? J'aimerais beaucoup simuler les 16 candidats de 2002 ! Ce serait formidable !

About the issues, in fact I found a site which was very interesting http://www.rtl.fr/RtlInfo/Presidentielles/programme/ but the problem is that on one issue there are different ideas from the candidates and I can't make a résumé of each position.

I will keep many issues of USA 2004, but I will include anyway Europe : Some want a federalist Europe, others an "Europe of nations", Le Pen wants to withdraw from Europe, etc

I will include too Euro (there are 2 main ideas, pro Euro and anti-Euro, i.e. Le Pen who wants to come back to the Franc)

I would like to add too the Working time issue (35h in France), people from left want to keep that, those from extreme-left would like it to be applied to everyone, centrist would be to "soften" the law, right to come back to 39h and why not extreme-right to come back to 42h.

I would like too to add unemployment (10% there), with as the issues the typical keynesian-neoclassical clash (much gov or few)

If someone could help me for establishing the 5 ideas on that issues it would be great ;) thanks much in advance :)

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PM4E Australia tweaks the interface a bit (you can now set the day of the week when polls come out, you can set it up so coalition governments can be formed, etc.) and gives you IRV instead of plurality, which you can turn on or off. Still only four parties, though.

It makes a difference, but unless France uses IRV, not a huge one.

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I was talking of the legislative elections, just to make it clear. France uses a special two-turns manner of electing the member for each riding. The first turn happens just as in Canada or the UK, but the one with the most vote doesn't win. If no candidate gets a majority, the two candidates with the most votes (or every candidate above a certain threshold, I don't remember which) continue on for a second "election". The French return to the polls and have to make the choice between a limited number of candidates, the winner then wins the riding. It could be simulated by the Australian system even if not that accurately.

For example, there are 8 candidates in a riding, on the first vote:

A gets 30%

B gets 25%

C gets 10%

D gets 10%

E gets 10%

F gets 5%

G gets 5%

H gets 5%

So every candidate except A and B drops off the ballot. After some time, there is another vote for the same riding, with only A and B running:

A gets 45%

B gets 55%

So B is elected. In short, the first vote is for the candidate that you like the most, independently from anything else. The second one is the strategic vote where you vote for the lesser of two evils, this also guarantees that xenophobic freaks like Le Pen and his Front National never get any representation.

At least, that's how I think it is, Phil, si j'ai fait une erreur, n'aies pas peur de me corriger.

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I was talking of the legislative elections, just to make it clear. France uses a special two-turns manner of electing the member for each riding. The first turn happens just as in Canada or the UK, but the one with the most vote doesn't win. If no candidate gets a majority, the two candidates with the most votes (or every candidate above a certain threshold, I don't remember which) continue on for a second "election". The French return to the polls and have to make the choice between a limited number of candidates, the winner then wins the riding. It could be simulated by the Australian system even if not that accurately.

For example, there are 8 candidates in a riding, on the first vote:

A gets 30%

B gets 25%

C gets 10%

D gets 10%

E gets 10%

F gets 5%

G gets 5%

H gets 5%

So every candidate except A and B drops off the ballot. After some time, there is another vote for the same riding, with only A and B running:

A gets 45%

B gets 55%

So B is elected. In short, the first vote is for the candidate that you like the most, independently from anything else. The second one is the strategic vote where you vote for the lesser of two evils, this also guarantees that xenophobic freaks like Le Pen and his Front National never get any representation.

At least, that's how I think it is, Phil, si j'ai fait une erreur, n'aies pas peur de me corriger.

Merci pour ces infos ;) je vais réfléchir avec la démo à ce que je peux faire. Mais je vais quand même continuer à faire mon scénario sur Président Forever, je trouve intéressant d'organiser la présidentielle de cette façon, même si je regrette surtout qu'il n'y ait que 4 partis, j'aurais adoré jouer avec les 16 partis et donc, en jouant en deux fois pour les deux tours, essayer de faire accéder Jospin à ce satané second tour !!! :D

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Je ne me suis pas procuré PM4E Australie. Quels sont ses avantages ? Combien de partis peut-on créer ? J'aimerais beaucoup simuler les 16 candidats de 2002 ! Ce serait formidable !

About the issues, in fact I found a site which was very interesting http://www.rtl.fr/RtlInfo/Presidentielles/programme/ but the problem is that on one issue there are different ideas from the candidates and I can't make a résumé of each position.

I will keep many issues of USA 2004, but I will include anyway Europe : Some want a federalist Europe, others an "Europe of nations", Le Pen wants to withdraw from Europe, etc

I will include too Euro (there are 2 main ideas, pro Euro and anti-Euro, i.e. Le Pen who wants to come back to the Franc)

I would like to add too the Working time issue (35h in France), people from left want to keep that, those from extreme-left would like it to be applied to everyone, centrist would be to "soften" the law, right to come back to 39h and why not extreme-right to come back to 42h.

I would like too to add unemployment (10% there), with as the issues the typical keynesian-neoclassical clash (much gov or few)

If someone could help me for establishing the 5 ideas on that issues it would be great ;) thanks much in advance :)

So, anyone knows how I could formulate those issues in English ? the 5 positions I mean

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I can give it a try, but I'm not sure of the results.

Template:

Issue

Left

Center-Left

Centrist

Center-Right

Right

I think the Euro issue is too limited, I think you should expand it to include all financial treaties, like the "pacte de stabilité" and other financial and monetary regulations included in the European Union.

Europe

We must give most powers to the EU.

Promote further integration with Europe.

Let's wait and see with what we have now.

Renegociate certain treaties to affirm our sovereignty.

Leave the EU, our sovereignty must not be limited.

35-hour week

Apply it to everyone, and explore further reductions.

Keep the present legislation, expand it if possible.

Make the present law more flexible for small enterprises.

Seek to eliminate the present law.

Eliminate working time laws, the market knows best.

Unemployment

Start great public projects to create jobs.

Use subsides to encourage job creation.

Establish tax credits and some subsides to promote job creation.

Reduce taxation and corporate welfare.

The State is part of the problem, get out of the economy.

Since I don't really know where the center is on all these issues nor the complexity of France's political scene, it may not be that accurate.

Bonne journée de la part d'un cousin outre-atlantique.

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