Hobbes Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Although I don't (yet) have President Forever, a simming friend of mine is designing a scenario I've come up with for the game. The point of divergence is not exactly grand or spectacular, in fact, it's pretty simple. In 1936, rather than winning everything but Maine and Vermont, FDR sweeps the country and carries home 535 electoral votes. In turmoil, the Republican party splinters between its moderate and archconservative wings, and President Roosevelt manages to get away with his Court packing scheme of 1937. In 1938, the "Bull Moose" Republicans form their own party, the Whigs, with a major base of operations in the Midwest; eventually displacing the Republicans (who dwindle away into a staunch nationalistic organization by the year of my scenario, 1996). World War II goes as in our timeline, more or less, with a few changes. In 1944, FDR sees no reason to dump Henry Wallace off the ticket, and this results in Wallace's succession to the Presidency in 1945, which obviously has some rather...bizarre effects on the country. (For example, Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr., who does not die in WWII becomes a Whig as a result of the socialistic policies of President Wallace. JPK will eventually become the first Whig elected to the White House in 1960.) Wallace establishes several massive changes, universal healthcare, strict size limits on corporations, and issues the Wallace Doctrine, a statement of firm isolation (WWII ends with a seizure of the Japanese homeland by force, and the nuclear bomb is never used, although the USSR detonates their own by 1950). He also integrates the military, and presses for civil rights (at this, the Whigs co-opt the Democratic position, which the Democrats will drop once Wallace leaves the White House for fear of losing the South. Today African-Americans routinely vote for the Whigs.) By 1996, Communism has expanded across Europe and Asia, and is threatening secular and Islamic reigmes in the Mideast and north Africa. America never fought any wars in Korea, Vietnam, or Nicaragua; and the unchecked rise of Red flags has lead to a divided electorate, uncertain as to where to move. The Whigs and Democrats, with a third-party Republican ticket are presenting their agendas to America in this election. Economic theories are being tested as well (the Democrats are pressing for an increased minimum wage (already at twelve dollars an hour) while the Whigs are presenting profit-sharing as an alternative). (There's also some things that were done for the sake of tilting the left/right scale: for example the Whigs generally detest governmental intervention, but will do so in certain cases of moral necessity, i.e. guns, abortion, the death penalty(!), and the environment) Whig Party Speaker of the House Glenallen Ryan (W-Ill.)/Senator William Jefferson Blythe, IV (W-Ark.) Mascot: bull moose Political Orientation: Right Regional Base: West Coast, Midwest, Rocky Mountains Favors abolition of abortion Favors privatization of healthcare Favors legalization of tobacco and alcohol Favors race-based affirmative action Favors the usage of tactical nuclear weapons Opposes the Wallace Doctrine of isolation Favors ten-year terms for Supreme Court justices Opposes the standard use of the death penalty Favors strict gun regulation Opposes federalization of state's rights Opposes strict size limits on corporations Favors profit-sharing as a means of establishing equality Opposes a minimum wage as a means of establishing equality Opposes same-sex marriage Favors state solutions to environmental hazards The modern day Whig Party is very much the heir to their namesakes, the anti-Jacksonian Whigs of the nineteenth century. Although generally associated with the new American conservative movement, most Whig positions grow out of a staunch opposition to Democratic policies. For example, nearly six decades after President Roosevelt successfully "packed" the Supreme Court, the Whigs still demand a constitutional amendment to limit justice terms to ten years. Similarly, they favor profit-sharing as a general way to get around the current minimum wage of $12 an hour instituted by the Democrats. Generally seen as a state's rights party, the Whigs have nevertheless come out in favor of Congressional regulation of "morality", such as abortion and guns. Despite the fact that President Henry Wallace is most remembered for beginning the civil-rights movement, the Whigs were the ones who finished it. Southern Democrats broke ranks with Wallace, and later Adlai Stevenson, and the Whigs co-opted the Democrats on the issue of race as a means to gain the votes of Southern blacks. Today, some of the most radical Whigs will sometimes recall the Democrats as the party of slavery and Jim Crow laws. On the subject of the Soviet Union and the spread of Communism across Europe and Asia, the Whigs stand for a type of mutual defense pact with the democratic and nationalistic states of the "free" Middle East, England and Africa. With all of Europe save Britain and Spain under red flags, the remaining bastions of liberty must unite. Democratic Party Senator Joshua Brookley (D-Tenn.)/Governor Bill Watterson (D-Ohio) Mascot: donkey Political Orientation: Left Regional Base: South, New England Favors legal abortion Opposes privatization of universal healthcare Favors continued prohibition Favors means-based affirmative action Favors immediate disarmament of nuclear weapons Favors the Wallace Doctrine and military withdrawal Opposes term limits for Supreme Court justices Favors nominal use of the death penalty Opposes any sort of gun control Favors federalization of state?s rights Favors strict size limits on corporations Opposes profit-sharing as a means of establishing equality Favors a minimum wage as a means of establishing equality Favors same-sex marriage Opposes state solutions to environmental hazards The Democratic Party is America?s longest lasting party having defeated the National Republicans, the old Whigs, the Republican Party, and now spars against the new Whigs. The Democrats of 1996 are an odd group of federalists, socialists, gun-rights activists (and in the South, racist organizations) and liberals. Generally speaking, the Democrats favor more power on the presidential and federal level, while the Whigs prefer to allocate power to the Congress and the states. The modern day Democrats hail the heroism of Franklin Roosevelt more than Henry Wallace (mostly in order to prevent massive defections amongst their Southern supporters), although the party's approach to economics was undoubtedly influenced by the latter. Unlike the Whig theories of a lassiez-faire economy, Democrats ascribe to Keynesian economics and press for tough regulation of corporations, including enforcement of legal size limits on businesses. Democrats have strongly opposed gun regulation, mostly for the benefit of securing the votes of lower and middle-class whites in the Deep South, holding the Democratic line of support in Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina. In relations with the Soviet Union and the new Communist states, the Democrats stand behind their isolationist stance that the United States should not engage in foreign conflicts unless directly attacked, as in the case of World War II, the last war that America fought. Communism will only be a threat to America when and if the U.S. is attacked by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. ------- Hobbes Nothing Like a Good Cause Just like to suggest that everyone visits www.xs4all.nl/~myranya/help4free.html where your click on any of listed sites helps pay for a donation sponsored by businesses with adbanners on the page towards certain causes (e.g. www.thehungersite.com helps fight hunger, www.thebirthsite.com helps impoverished pregnant mothers, www.thebiblesite.org gives Bibles to persecuted Christians). You can also find links to help “use your computer to help process some information. You download the client and a small packet of data, process it either while your computer is idle or run the program in the background, then send the results back to the server and retrieve a new data packet. And please visit my own website at http://www.geocities.com/cal4hobbes an essay on whether or not science has disproven faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 well hey that's pretty sweet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchFisher Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 And I would be the friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardrightconservative Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Great scenario idea Hobbes! I look forward to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyN Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Sounds very interesting. I too look forward to seeing what becomes of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchFisher Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Screenie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinhmaster Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I want to play it NOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardrightconservative Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 The screenshot makes it even harder to wait! Good job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchFisher Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 LOL, sorry, I was up at my cabin this weekend. Once Hobbes gets on AIM today we'll work on it (If he does, that is ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchFisher Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Problem! Here's the electorate trends thingy: // // NUMBER OF PARTIES // // the number of blocks will then be: // // number of parties * 2, + 2 // // (+ 2 because of the undecided and none blocks) // each party that is established has 2 blocks, a LEANING block and // a COMMITTED block 4 // // PARTY NAMES // // in 2000, these 4 were: Democratic Whig Republican Pax Liberatis // // NUMBER OF REGIONS - MAXIMUM OF 70 // // for this scenario, that means how many states (plus 1 for the // District of Columbia) 51 // // BLOCK PERCENTAGE RANDOMIZATION // // percentages below are randomized slightly for each game, according // to the following variable x: 1 // this means the maximum percentage change in any given party will be // x, with an average of x/2 // in this case, x=2, so the average percentage change would be 2/2, // that is, 1 // // PERCENTAGE FOR EACH BLOCK FOR EACH REGION // // 40 // 50 // 60 // 55 // ... (and so on for the other parties) ... // would mean: // 40% of voters who don't consider themselves undecided // or none (alienated) are with (in this case since 'Republican' was // listed first) the Republican party, and 50% of those are COMMITTED // Republicans, while 50% are LEANING Republicans // 60% of voters ... are with (in this cas since 'Democratic' was // listed second) the Democratic party, and 55% of those are COMMITTED // Democrats, while 45% are LEANING Democrats // when playing, if one of these parties is not selected, the // percentage of people in that block go to the undecided block // or to other parties // if the numbers for all parties > 100, then they are distributed // relative to the total (so 50/150 would mean 33% of voters who // aren't alienated or undecided) // finally, add the number of undecideds and number of none (alienated) // so, // 20 // 0 // would mean 20% of the electorate is undecided, 0% none // put a @ after each region's stats, so the program knows if you've // goofed and put too many/not enough numbers in for that region // Bush, Gore, Nader, Buchanan, Undecided // Alabama 1 //Democrats 59 80 //Whigs 40 80 //Republicans 1 80 //Pax Liberatis-ers 0 80 //Undecided and None 20 0 @ // Alaska 2 53 80 47 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Arizona 3 49 80 51 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Arkansas 4 46 80 54 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // California 5 50 80 50 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Colorado 6 55 80 45 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Connecticut 7 54 80 46 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Delaware 8 49 80 50 80 1 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Florida 9 48 80 52 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Georgia 10 60 80 40 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Hawaii 11 40 80 60 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Idaho 12 42 80 58 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Illinois 13 50 80 50 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Indiana 14 53 80 47 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Iowa 15 56 80 43 80 1 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Kansas 16 50 80 48 80 2 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Kentucky 17 51 80 49 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Louisiana 18 55 80 45 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Maine 19 35 80 35 80 30 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Maryland 20 50 80 50 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Massachusetts 21 54 80 46 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Michigan 22 44 80 56 80 0 80 0 0 20 0 @ // Minnesota 23 47 80 53 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Mississippi 24 59 80 41 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Missouri 25 52 80 48 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Montana 26 40 80 60 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Nebraska 27 49 80 51 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Nevada 28 47 80 53 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // New Hampshire 29 52 80 47 80 1 80 0 80 20 0 @ // New Jersey 30 50 80 50 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // New Mexico 31 45 80 55 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // New York 32 50 80 50 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // North Carolina 33 58 80 42 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // North Dakota 34 46 80 52 80 2 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Ohio 35 47 80 53 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Oklahoma 36 51 80 49 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Oregon 37 43 80 56 80 1 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Pennsylvania 38 49 80 49 80 2 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Rhode Island 39 60 80 32 80 8 80 0 80 20 0 @ // South Carolina 40 58 80 41 80 0 80 1 80 20 0 @ // South Dakota 41 50 80 49 80 1 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Tennessee 42 53 80 47 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Texas 43 49 80 49 80 2 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Utah 44 47 80 52 80 1 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Vermont 45 34 80 32 80 34 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Virginia 46 50 80 49 80 1 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Washington, D.C. 48 53 80 46 80 1 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Washington 47 48 80 51 80 0 80 1 80 20 0 @ // West Virginia 49 49 80 49 80 2 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Wisconsin 50 48 80 52 80 0 80 0 80 20 0 @ // Wyoming 51 48 80 51 80 0 80 1 80 20 0 @ But here's what the map comes out as: SOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 Uh, any help here? I've finally bought P4E and have decided to tinker with this (ILV has sent me the scenario via e-mail file.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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