Netherlands 2010

[gopprogressive 1,063]

I don't think you can compare the PVV to the UKIP, -- Wilders is also an Atheist, strongly supports Humanism and has used Islam's homophobia as one of his main arguments in support of branding it as something that is anti-dutch. UKIP is much more similar to the US Republican Party, which PVV certainly isn't anything like,

Although the IE thing may have been a bit off...it was just the first thing that came to mind.

The UKIP is more libertarian actually, like Wilders. But Wilders and the UKIP are definately right-libertarians.

Of course you are talking to a supporter of Wilders here, just to let you know (though I do not live in the Netherlands).

[matvail2002 803]

In the way, the same could be said about the late Pim Fortuyn with his sexual orientation.

The VVD is more libertarian than Wilders party. In a way, the VVD and D66 are both classical liberal parties, in the sense that one party in more libertarian in economic views and the D66 is more libertarian in social views, as they are sometimes coalition partners. However, except on immigration, Wilders has a political positions which could be compared to his former party than to a far-right party such as the Front National and the BNP, which are not actually liberal parties in the economic sense just like the Danish people's party which is more statist economically than the Social Democrats, for instance.

However, for the UKIP, they are probably the less statist party in the UK political system apart for the marginal UK Libertarian Party. So, in a way, they are small l libertarian like the former Reform Party of Canada (or maybe the ADQ in Quebec or the Wildrose Alliance in Alberta) which had a strong libertarian faction.

But, as a libertarian, I hate using the left-wing paradigm, which however, many languages make this distinction between the libertarianism based on classical liberalism and the other libertarianism which is considered as left-libertarian (or is considered a libertaire in french as compared to the term libertarien which is used in French-North America or libéral in France or Switzerland which had absolutely nothing to do with the term liberal as it is known in North America).

[normanwisdomii 1]

Looks great. Is this scenario downloadable yet?

[gopprogressive 1,063]

I'm waiting on 80soft, but I can send it to you if you wish.

[normanwisdomii 1]

hhhhh

[thetrotsky 3]

could i get it too. thewhorock93@hotmail.co.uk

[matvail2002 803]

I must say, this is in my personnal top 5 of scenarios. The scenario is good, realistic and somewhat accurate based on Netherlands proportional system.

However, I would like to say more coalitions between 3-4 parties.

[normanwisdomii 1]

[bluetory 0]

I'm waiting on 80soft, but I can send it to you if you wish.

May I have a copy also? rmfb-2@cogeco.ca Many thanks!

[gopprogressive 1,063]

Sent it out, enjoy!

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[owenb1991 1]

Please send this scenario to owenisgood@hotmail.co.uk! cheers

[Kieron 0]

and me please

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[Prometheus 3]

plb1988@web.de

Thank you!

[peter14 0]

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[detroiter90 0]

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Thanks!

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Thanks!

[gopprogressive 1,063]

Hey all,

You can now download it here: http://scenarios.270soft.com/2011/05/19/netherlands-2010/

I'll get the rest of the post fixed, I promise.

[grotemol 0]

This is a great scenario but may I have some critic?

I would give Cohen 1 point more on E (so E4), Mark Rutte 1 point more on E (so E3, he now has less Experience than Emile Roemer wich is very strange; Roemer is a member of parliament since 2006 and partyleader since 2010, Rutte was a vice minister/junior member of cabinet since 2002 and a member of parliament and partyleader since 2006 so why is Roemer more experienced?).

Why does the PVV and the SP have a established of 4 while they never have been in the government while D66 has a established of 3 while they have been in the government for almost 2 decades.

Also; the SP has a lot higher budget than 1.000.000. They are one of the richest party's in the Netherlands.

Sorry for my bad English

[grotemol 0]

Also on the platforms;

Wilders has pensions central-right, budget on right, animal rights on right, afghanistan on right, welfare state on right, privatization on right, healt care on right, jobs on right, education on right all point on wich he is a leftist. Yes, he is very right-wing on immigration, Islam, crime, Europa (even a bit more right than the centre-right his platform is now) but at many other issue's, he is competing with the socialist party.

[gopprogressive 1,063]

This is a great scenario but may I have some critic?

I would give Cohen 1 point more on E (so E4), Mark Rutte 1 point more on E (so E3, he now has less Experience than Emile Roemer wich is very strange; Roemer is a member of parliament since 2006 and partyleader since 2010, Rutte was a vice minister/junior member of cabinet since 2002 and a member of parliament and partyleader since 2006 so why is Roemer more experienced?).

Why does the PVV and the SP have a established of 4 while they never have been in the government while D66 has a established of 3 while they have been in the government for almost 2 decades.

Also; the SP has a lot higher budget than 1.000.000. They are one of the richest party's in the Netherlands.

Sorry for my bad English

I read some pieces that viewed Rutte as being too young and inexperienced for PM, which is why I put him at a 2 experience. Roemer makes sense at 2 experience for PM, I think I put him at 3 just because I wanted to balance him out. I'll raise Roemer's integrity to a 4 and drop his experience to a 2.

The PVV and SP I put them at an established of 4 because they outpolled the D66 and seems more organized.

Giving minor parties too much money in the game leads to their over-representation. I guess I could double their cash (to 2 million) and increase the other minor parties cash by $250,000 apiece. And how does a far-left party get that much money?

Lastly, Wilders is pretty much a libertarian- he's attacked the Dutch welfare state, called for tax cuts and privatisation, and is perceived as being fairly hostile to environmentalism & animal rights (as is much of his party). Granted I know he initially said he wouldn't raise the retirement age and then flip-flopped on it, and sounded a bit more populist to win over working-class types; but Wilders isn't really going to be attractive to leftist or socialist voters which is why I put him that far to the right.

Also, I went over the stats, financing, platforms and whatnot with my dutch friend and he pretty much agreed with me (plus he's a huge Wilders guy and a libertarian in US terms).

Your English is fine, it's much better than my Dutch!