simonvallee Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 I'd say put all of them in two issues: Economic System Political System Economic System Go for a planned economy Mixed economy with a strong public sector Mixed economy with a moderate public sector. Market capitalism with some public elements Complete power to capitalists Political System One-Party State Biased democracy Pluralist democracy Constitutional Monarchy Absolutist Monarchy Stalinist would be Left on both, Fascists would be Right or Center-Right economically and Left on political, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycloneprime Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 sounds good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 fine but what you forget is that there are 18 issues to come up with! Yes? Combine too many into ttoo few leaves us w/ a gap of some issues to fill out the folder. still, I see your point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 plus, thinking on it a sec if I were Adolph Eichman runinng on Political System as a theme I'd get the same issue bonus as Winston Chruchill would on the issue divide them up, and Regioanlism becomes more - a Democrat preching Democracy in -1 issue_momentum Brazil would not have the same impact a Facsist preaching Fracism in +1 Brazil would, eh? am I making sense? sorry, beer, football, food - heavy head at the mo' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 That's a decision you have to make. Democrats who campaign on a pro-choice platform in Texas usually don't do so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 While people are working on a Cold War scenario, I thought we could look at a trio of scenarios for a modern World. Presidency Senate House of Representatives The Presidency could be elected with the 1501 EVs I worked out, the Senate could be elected with 1 Senator per nation, and the HoR could be elected with 750 MHRs. I'm currently working on dividing the world up into regions so that the 750 seats are spread equally. We could use the same parties for the three scenarios. I'm thinking the parties could be Socialist, Conservative, Liberal and Islamist. I understand that this doesn't include Dictators, but they can fit into the different parties. After all, parties differ between states/provinces, so it would make sense that there could be significant differences between the British and American branches of the Socialist Party and the Chinese branch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 it looks like we'll need a volunteer to do the regional_variables folder b4 we can go much further with this.... anyone game - I've never messed with a map and wouldn't have the first clue as to the MaoPos figures. once that's done, I'll do the electoral_trends, and regional_centers (or split the job w/ someone) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I could handle region variables, but it might be better to get somebody who's been more involved in the project :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I could do it, but I don't have P4E (only PM4E). If someone was to send me an example of a region_variables file I could create it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 on the way sven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Thanks. I'll do it asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 might be trickier than you think i can;'t make heads or tails of it myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I just thought of something. Won't it be interesting regarding the closing times. Will Election Night take 24 hours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 yeah, it would wouldn't it. Start w/ GMT and work west? Or GMT and work East? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 You'd have to start at the Pacific Islands and go west, finishing in Alaska and Hawaii. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 just for drama, I'd go the other way so the huge Asian prizes come in near the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Yeah, it's almost a shame for the tension that Ontario/Quebec/Florida/New York/etc. are called as early as they are in their respective elections... Must suck to be a Hawiian. By the time the sun sets on the islands, people have already decided it's either not worth waiting, or only Ohio matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 hell, back prior to 1992, exit polls were released as soon as they came out. CBS etc called the 1984 election for Reagan at about 1pm EST people got upset about that, saying it kept down turnout (which it undoubtedly did) so the media all agrees to stop the practice (there might have been a lawsuit, I forget) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Well, it was 1984... When the dust settled, Mondale barely held Minnesota, DC, and a whole lot of nothing else. Heck, if I was an election journalist, I'd have called that election at 1:00 PM, if not noon the day before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 yeah, but the point of it was it's unfair to voters in CST, MST, and PST states to have the result of the election determined before they even have got to vote now, the networks have gone the opposite direction and we have to stay up till 3am before any of them have the nerve to call a close state better, if exhausting, that way than the former they (the GOP) raised a fuss when Florida was called so early in 2000 for Gore cuz the western part of the Panhandle is CST and the polls were still open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Well, the Canadian system isn't much better in that respect... The blackout law was lifted before the most recent election, and since they forecast results so early, by the time most of the voters have made it to the polls in Vancouver, we already know who won based on returns in Ontario, Quebec, and the Maritimes. This time it was more interesting since as you move West, except for BC and the Territories, you definetly get more Conservative, and the Liberals didn't show as strong as they'd have liked in the rest of the country. Still. Canadians just don't do exit polls by definition, so all you get are actual ballot results, plus since you don't need a huge number of polls to report back to you before you can project results, they routinely call it early and I've never known them to be wrong. That being said, the story goes that Bob Rea was the most surprised person in Canada when Bob Rea was elected premier of Ontario... Quick doesn't necessarily mean boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-uglen Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 now, the networks have gone the opposite direction and we have to stay up till 3am before any of them have the nerve to call a close statebetter, if exhausting, that way than the former Spare a thought for those of us six hours ahead of EST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 In Australia we don't have an enormous problem, as there is only a 3-hour gap between the eastern states and Western Australia. This year, however, we had the rare case where Tasmania went an hour before the rest of the East, because they enter daylight saving earlier than NSW, Victoria and ACT (Queensland has no daylight saving), and this was in the period in between, so they closed at 2pm WA time, and by 6pm Sydney time, as I was driving around picking up my leftover posters (I was the Greens candidate for Werriwa), they were already calling seats. In the last parliament all Tasmanian seats were Labor-held, and within 15 minutes of polls closing in 3 states and 1 territory which together make up 117 out of 150 seats, they had already called 2 Tassie seats as gains for the Liberals. But there hasn't been a recent election where the result was clear way out. I guess you could say that 1975 and 1996 were quite clearcut, and 1983 was quite decisive, but you still couldn't be sure. In 1975, after all, the Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam (Labor) had been sacked by the G-G for refusing to ask for an election when the Opposition blocked the budget in the Senate. Effectively unable to pay salaries, the Governor-General appointed the Liberal leader as PM and they had a snap election. In regards to timezones, I'm currently looking at it. Do results come in 2 hours after the time we enter into the file? If that is so, I'm thinking that the extreme end of the Pacific should close at 0600 hours (GMT). I see it's a big problem about the Asian prizes of East China, Indonesia and especially India, would be all called while voting was still going on in all of Europe and parts of the Middle East. By the way, the order the regions would close would be this: -Pacific Islands -Japan -Korea -Phillipines -Taiwan -Manchuria -Australia -East China -Indochina -Indonesia -South-East Asia -North China -West China -India And right there you have 789 EVs, and you should have a pretty good idea of who is going to win. However, there will still be suspense, in the case of a close race, since the US will be the last country to close, with a vital 78 EVs. If it comes down to the wire, the US could be essential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 yer call man, you're doing the grunt work! again THANK YOU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Those of us in Australia just wait until Wednesday to watch the US election coverage. I started watching around 8am that morning and was still sitting on the couch when the sun went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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