Hardrightconservative Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 You bet Johnny. Still polishing up my new United North America scenario but I'll be done by the end of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 yay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I'm hurriedly moving along at making the map. Once we've decided on regions and a map, I can't see why we can't have a few different election scenarios. We could even have a Parliamentary one. I'm also thinking it could be useful to just have an election amongst the 'Democratic' countries (most of the Americas apart from Cuba, most of Europe, parts of Africa, parts of East Asia, Turkey, Russia, Oceania). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyN Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I can help come up with some candidates, depending on the scenario if you wanted to split up the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 9, 2004 Author Share Posted December 9, 2004 absolutely sven! the more the merrier! when we get a map, i'm even thinking of a silly Good v. Evil campaign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I've been working on the map for a day-and-a-half, and I've already got all of Asia except for Russia completed, plus two-thirds of Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyN Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 That's awesome! I can't wait to see the map Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardrightconservative Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Me neither! AWESOME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungCTrep Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I think USa should be left as one country.... I think the whole US would pick the same canidate, and we are the UNITED states, regions would be strange keep Russia as 1 too....Russia's popualtion is in europe, no one lives in the Asian part (trust me ive lived there) In China however, diff parts support democracy, some communism, so you should divide PRC up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Okay, I've been working on detailed breakdowns of each region, with the nations within each region. Once this is done I'll enter the population stats in and try and work out the EVs. I'm thinking you could have roughly 1500 EVs, with each EV being worth 4mil, so a place like Pacific Islands would have 1, while Russia would have 36. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to break up China and India? I'm thinking of combining northern india with Nepal, Bhutan and Bangladesh and calling it Himalayas, and combining Southern India with Sri Lanka and calling it South India. Currently there are still some combinations which don't have very good names, such as Northern South America (Venezuela, Suriname, French Guiana, Guyana), the three Chinese regions (still just identified by their directional names), and some others. I'm thinking of having Indonesia, Phillipines, Burma, Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore combined as South-East Asia. But I'll send the map out with every country kept separate, and let a group decide what countries should be merged. Anyway, I've completed everything except the Americas and Svalbard (north of Norway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 10, 2004 Author Share Posted December 10, 2004 divide china by language - cantonese and mandarin likewise, go with religion in areas liek india etc. the muslim areas togehter, the hindu etc. indonesia should be all by itslef, its HUGE sounds great, btw!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottmuchh Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 ––– Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-uglen Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 How is the UK a Republican democracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Ralph! Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Yea, the UK is anything but - at the moment it's a constitutional monarchy. Queen Elizabeth is still the head of state, and must sign a bill before it becomes law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Does anyone know which provinces of China speak Mandarin and which speak Cantonese? With India, I was going to divide it according to religion, but the problem is it is such a mishmash. I was thinking of putting all together like it was under the British, and just make it a massive, prize, since it would be the largest region in the world. Otherwise, I could just split Pakistan off and merge the Himalayan countries with India. With SE Asia, I was trying to work out the split. Indonesia should be on its own. Maybe Thailand, Malaysia and Burma could go together and Phillipines could be on its own? E. Timor would go with Indonesia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayavarman Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 I think the the southeast portion of China is more Cantonese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 I looked on the net for it, and I discovered that there's about 7 Chinese languages, not just those two. For now, I've divided China into four areas, simply according to how it is divided in my world atlas. I put the NE provinces together as Manchuria, the Eastern and SE provinces, with Taiwan, as East China, Inner Mongolia is merged with Mongolia, and the western provinces become West China. I'm currently working out the EVs for each region. I'm working my way through, and it seems like Asia will have a majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Eureka! I've discovered this resource on a UN website. http://www.unescap.org/esid/psis/populatio...adata/intro.htm It has divided China's provinces into a number of regions, with population data included. I'm thinking we should merge North-West and South-West China, and merge South Central and East China together into West and East China respectively. While I haven't crunched the numbers yet, I expect that would make East China a big prize in the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyN Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Awesome data, sven! Which scenario are we doing first once the map is done? A modern one? A futuristic one? A historical one (Perhaps a Romans vs Aztecs vs Chinese Empire vs Mongols)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 11, 2004 Author Share Posted December 11, 2004 the skies the limit i'd say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 11, 2004 Author Share Posted December 11, 2004 first, I don't know HRC and I have talked of doing a Cold War one together, maybe you could partner up w/ someone and do the Roman empire one - sounds cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyN Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Ooooh, Cold War scenario'd be neat. That I'd like to see. Hmm...perhaps I could...I'd need some help coming up with some Issues. I have a few already in mind: Religion Monarch Worship Popular Soverignty Glory of Rome Torture Shape of the World "Games" I'd have to come up with more...but those're what I've got so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 You'd need to adapt the EVs if you did an ancient one. For example, while Oeania seems miniscule now (8 EVs out of 1501), it was even less then, and the massive populations of the US and Brazil wouldn't have existed. But I've finished crunching the numbers for EVs for a modern scenario. I've got these in Excel if anyone wants to have a look at them or change the make-up of regions. If you want to see it send me an email, or even better explain to me how I can post it on the net, and I'll do the same when I finish the map. The map is finished, except for the Carribean, Central America, Mexico, USA, Canada and Greenland. Anyway, here are the EVs for each region. The largest is India, with 303, and the smallest is Pacific Islands, with 3. At one point I had Mongolia listed as 1 EV, but I merged it with North China. It totals out to be 1501 EVs, so you need 751 to win. 3 Pacific Islands (including PNG) 4 Caucasus 5 Australia 5 Madagascar (plus Mauritius) 6 N. Sth America (Venezuela, Suriname, Guyana, French Guiana) 6 Scandinavia (Sweden, Norway, Finland, Greenland, Denmark, Iceland) 8 Canada 9 Carribean 10 Central America (All the countries between Mexico and Colombia) 13 Arabia 15 British Isles 15 Congo (Congox2, plus Eq. Guinea, Gabon and Sao Tome) 15 Near East (Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan) 16 Balkans (Former Yugoslavia, Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania) 17 Eastern Europe (Belarus, Baltic states, Kaliningrad, Moldova, Ukraine) 17 Iran 17 Korea 17 Turkey 18 Andes (Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay) 20 Gran Colombia (Colombia, Ecuador, Peru) 21 Central Asia (former Soviet republics plus Afghanistan) 25 Mexico 25 Indochina (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia) 26 Manchuria 27 West Africa 30 Southern Africa (Angola, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Malawi, Mozambique, S. Africa) 31 Japan 34 Russia 36 North China (incl. Mongolia) 37 Central Europe (Austria, Czech, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia) 38 North Africa (The African coast of the Meditereanean) 38 Pakistan 39 Western Europe (France, Benelux, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Italy) 44 Brazil 46 East Africa (from Eritrea down to Uganda) 52 Central Africa (All the countries between Nigeria and Sudan inclusive) 52 West China 58 Indonesia (plus E. Timor) 70 USA 174 East China 303 India (India plus Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan) So there's no real way to classify most of the regions, except for the few at the top.. While India may be a bit unrealistic and could be broken down, I think we should keep it as a single block of 303 EVs. It adds an extra factor to the game if there's one 'big prize' that can be 40% of a victory. East China would also be quite a nice prize to net. Anyway, it's 5:30 in the morning, and I should really get to bed, so goodnight all. When I wake up I'll finish the world map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_raoul Posted December 11, 2004 Author Share Posted December 11, 2004 sven, wonderful job! i'm sure we all appreciate it! well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardrightconservative Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 AWESOME! This will start a whole new string of scenarios! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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