flinders92 0 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 As it might take some time before a Belgium 2007/2003/1999 scenario is undertaken I'll start by creating a fictional 19th century scenario. SITUATION Mardogne is located in the southern Alsace and the Northern Bourgogne area. Its population consists of a French Majority (85%) and a notable German minority (15%) in the east. The north of the country is the industrial centre while the south is an agrarian undeveloped region. HISTORY 1848: Following a gulf of revolutions all over Europe an alliance of Liberals and Catholics frees the country of German occupation and create the Republic of Mardogne. The president has virtually no power and the premier and his government are the real leaders of the country. There is only one party: the Liberal-Catholic Alliance which wins 97% of the vote in the first elections. 1848-1857: The country is led by Catholic premier Gustave LeCordonnier 1857-1865: Moderate Liberal premier Stephane Lardonne leads the country 1865-1883: Heinrich von Gumpf (no clear party affiliation) is premier 1883-1886: Liberal premier François Du Charlôt leads an increasingly displeased coalition. 7th February 1886: The catholics in the Assemblée refuse to vote a Freedom Of Faith act that would allow other religions than the Catholic one to operate schools. 12th July 1886: For the first time in the history of Mardogne open elections will take place. REGIONS 1. Côtes De Salvon: 3 seats. Rural region in the deep South. catholic stronghold 2. Niedersalfz: 4 seats. Rural seat with German Majority in Southeast. Catholic dominance 3. Compté De Mardogne: 11 seats Mardognan hearthland with some industry, Southwest. Catholic advantage 4. Marzin-Ville: 8 seats. Capital, densely inhabited with most industry of the entire south. Between Niedersalf, Compté de M and Leonge. solid Liberal 5. Leonge: 11 seats. mix of agrarian and industrial economy with notable German minority, Northeast, BATTLEGROUND 6. Plat-d'Olonge:16 seats, heavily industrialized, Nortwest, Liberal dominance 7. Ardun: 14 seats, heavily industrialized, North, Liberal stronghold TOTAL SEATS: 67 PARTIES AND LEADERS Liberal Coalition Liberal Party Centrist premier François Du Charlôt The candidate of the haute bourgeoisie, Du Charlôt is loathed by catholics and workers alike but absolutely adored by bankers,engineers,... Leadership: 4 Integrity: 3 Experience: 4 Charisma: 2 Debate:: 3 How established: 5 Money: 7.500.000 FM (Francs Mardogniens) seats in current parliament: 23 Radical Liberal Party Centre-left Minister Marcel Cavallon Cavallon represents a wing of the liberal party for whom current emancipation is not enough. He fights for better living and working circumstances. Leadership: 2 Integrity: 4 Experience: 4 Charisma: 3 Debate : 3 How established: 4 Money: 3.000.000 FM seats in current parliament: 14 TOTAL SEATS: 37 Catholic Coalition Conservative Catholics Centre-right to right Minister Grégoire Nuhotin A gifted orator as well as a fierce conservative, Nuhotin is seen as the man that brought down the Coalition. But many of his views are extremist and some doubt whether he can be a competent premier. Leadership: 3 Integrity: 2 Experience: 4 Charisma: 4 Debate: 5 How established:5 Money: 5.000.000 FM seats in current parliament:21 Liberal-/Social-Catholics Centre-left Minister Samuel Lache Lache represents catholics who believe that improving living circumstances can be done from within the Catholic Party. Leadership: 3 Integrity: 3 Experience: 3 Charisma: 3 Debate: 2 How established party: 4 Money: 3.000.000 FM seats in current parliament: 9 TOTAL SEATS: 30 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Treasurer 28 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Liking the sound of this one! Seems it will be very competitive between all 4 parties, so will all issues be based on fictional events or use some real event from the time? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gopprogressive 1,063 Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 So what are the major issues? I'm not sure about an election in the 19th century, as they weren't anywhere near as democratic or open as the ones today- but perhaps it'll be interesting. Why not set the scenario today? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flinders92 0 Posted May 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 I have done some thinking and I might also put in a Christian-Democratic party led by a radical priest, a socialist one, and an independent candidate, all of which might win a seat. I'm not sure about an election in the 19th century, as they weren't anywhere near as democratic or open as the ones today- but perhaps it'll be interesting. Why not set the scenario today? The whole point is to make it a 19th century election with a turnout of only 5% (to reflect the effect of the tolls one had to pay to be enabled to vote) and parties and issues of the time. Issues will include: Working Week Unions and Mutualities Development of the South Germany France Electoral reform Education (see timeline) Religion and secularity Child Labor Working Circumstances and wages Capitalism The ideas of Marx (not sure about this one) ... I am also interested in any potential events from the time you can dig up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flinders92 0 Posted May 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Oh, and I'd be gratefull if any of you could make a map matching the description above... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Treasurer 28 Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 I'll make a map soon, post it here, and see if you like it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Treasurer 28 Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 This is a rough map of it. Tell if you like it, if you want any regions larger or smaller, or completely different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flinders92 0 Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 I actually quite like it , but I would like region 4 to be smalller.( I'd cut of the southern extension.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Treasurer 28 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 OK, region 4's southern extension is cut, although region 1 is now larger. Anything else? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gopprogressive 1,063 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Here are my suggestions for issues: Issues Agriculture Development of South Economy Education Electoral Reform French Alliance German Relations Industry Language Marxism Military? National Bank Presidential Powers Religious Rights Scramble for Africa? Tax Reform (Income Tax vs Tariff) Trade Unions Working Conditions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flinders92 0 Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 The map looks great. As to the issues: I'd make Economy, Industry and Agriculture inro one Industry vs. Agriculture issue. I'd add Secularism and child labor (in addition to the working conditions issue). I'd replace Scramble for Africa with a colony (they could have one, given that even we managed to get hold of Congo) Any ideas for a name? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gopprogressive 1,063 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 The map looks great.As to the issues: I'd make Economy, Industry and Agriculture inro one Industry vs. Agriculture issue. I'd add Secularism and child labor (in addition to the working conditions issue). I'd replace Scramble for Africa with a colony (they could have one, given that even we managed to get hold of Congo) Any ideas for a name? Nyarai would be a good name for the colony . Child Labour Church and State Economy Education Electoral Reform French Alliance German Relations Industrial Development Language Marxism National Bank Nyarai Presidential Powers Religious Rights South Mardogne Tax Reform (Income Tax vs Tariff) Trade Unions Working Conditions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flinders92 0 Posted September 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 I've picked this up again after my holiday. But when I try to open the scenario in the constituency editor, it tells me that 'socialist' is not a valid entry value after which it doubles the regions present in the scenario. How do I solve this? (please note that I haven't finished all other parts of the scenario) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matvail2002 803 Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Grosso modo, est-ce que Mardogne a la même situation démographique qu'en Belgique? (Basically, is Mardogne having the same democraphic situation than current Belgium?) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flinders92 0 Posted September 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Grosso modo, est-ce que Mardogne a la même situation démographique qu'en Belgique? (Basically, is Mardogne having the same democraphic situation than current Belgium?) Slightly less complicated but the general idea is the same. The political situation is also based on that of 19th century Belgium since that's the only one I have a sound grasp on. And thanks for the initiative of using French, but since I'm Flemish using English will be just fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gopprogressive 1,063 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Do you have a better map that fits with the PMF engine? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gopprogressive 1,063 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Here is the idea for updating it in 2009: PARTIES: Christian Conservative Social Democratic Green-Ecologist Républicain Modéré National Democratic ISSUES Afghanistan Asylum and Immigration Balanced Budget Crime and Terrorism Economy Education Europe Environment Federalism Healthcare Jobs Language Moral Values Privatisation Smoking Ban Social Security Tax Reform Turkey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Treasurer 28 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I have the map in PMF form, are you still looking for it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gopprogressive 1,063 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I have the map in PMF form, are you still looking for it? Yes, could you send it to me? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gopprogressive 1,063 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Flinders, I just need 3 cities per region, if you could supply that to me. And I've separated the capital region from its surrounding county. What should I call the surrounding county? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gopprogressive 1,063 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 PARTY LEADERS: CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE: Jean Martin, Horst Rheinmann SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC: Henri Lefavbre, Achille Vanderveld MODERATE REPUBLICAN: Edith Bachelot GREEN-ECOLOGIST: Brigette Schmidt NATIONALIST BLOC: Klaus Guderian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Treasurer 28 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Perhaps increase the number of seats by 20 as population has grown. Let's say the Conservative voting German minority has grown somewhat, and they have a firm grip in the south, with Moderate Republican as the main competition,and now Conservatives doing well against the social democratic in the northeast region. SD would well in most other regions. Greens could have a decent share with the high Liberal vote in the past. The Bloc, not too sure, it really depends if this country has grown to be wealthy or has remained working class. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gopprogressive 1,063 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Question: What should we call the county around the capital of Marzin-Ville, which I have separated to split the country into 8 regions instead of 7? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 384 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Question: What should we call the county around the capital of Marzin-Ville, which I have separated to split the country into 8 regions instead of 7? German has the term "(city name) Land" for such a thing, indicating the territory around that city (I noticed this used extensively for constituency names in my Austria scenario). Does French have and equivalent term? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matvail2002 803 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Agglomération, comté or canton (in more rural areas) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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