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Some of my ideas include: -The Republicans will not be on the ballot in 13 Southern states. -All of a party's primaries and their nomination will be on the same day (the day of that party's conventi

Strangely, the total number of delegates comes out to 300, not including alternates. I wonder if one or more state delegations failed to attend, or withdrew from, the convention after that secretary's

That's too bad. I could try my hand at the remaining issues, if you don't think you'll be able to finish them.

I asked heat this in a PM:

What should we do about Daniel S. Dickinson and Joseph Lane, who initially ran as Northern Democrats, later switching to Southern Democrats?

Since Dickinson's support in the Northern Convention was negligible (he got 13 delegates on the 30th ballot, and otherwise much less) and he was more formidable in the Southern Convention (winning 24 delegates to Breckinridge's 81), not to mention he supported Breckinridge over Douglas, it seems like the best thing to do is to have Dickinson run as a Southern Democratic candidate instead. Sound reasonable?

Joseph Lane also ran as a Northern Democrat with negligible delegate support, but was chosen to be Breckinridge's running mate as a Southern Democrat; he also supported Breckinridge over Douglas.

Since both Lane and Dickinson pose the same problem, it seems they should both be changed to Southern Democrats to avoid having to create two of the same person.

What does everyone else think?

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That seems like a reasonable idea. It would make the game flow a bit easier, too. I think I already had Lane as a Southern Dem Veep choice, but not as a presidential candidate.

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Andrew Jackson Donelson, the Know-Nothing VP nominee in 1856, supported John Bell and the Constitutional Union party in 1860. He should be a Crusader.

heat asked me to work on some of the 1860 candidates' issue positions, which I hope to get done tonight or at least some time this week.

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So, what's the progress report, heat, darkmoon?

I will finish work on my candidates today or tomorrow.

Sorry for the delay, I've just been really busy with final exams and papers for my last semester of college.

When I'm done, I will post the results here, like I did with Douglas.

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Just a thought, but Lincoln should definitely be on the ballot in Delaware (he got over 20% there) and Missouri (he broke 10%). He also got a decent pile of votes in MD and VA (1-2%) and a batch in KY (a bit under 1%), though the share in those states is small enough that excluding him to avoid a distortion is justifiable. I'd put him on the ballot in all those cases, but cap his support off fairly low.

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I worked on some more candidates. Here they are.

I skipped Lane and Dickinson because we agreed on that. Therefore, heat will be in charge of Dickinson, since we are considering him a Southern Democrat.

Here are the Northern Democrats.

James Guthrie (ND-Kentucky)

State's Rights - Center-Left

Tariffs - Center-Left

Taxes - Center-Left

Compromise of 1850 - Center

Dred Scott - Center-Left

Military - Center

Immigration - Center

Economy - Center-Left

Labor Rights - Center

Gold Standard - Center

Industry - Center-Left

American-British relations - Center-Left

Mexico - Center-Right

Possible Secession - Right

Fugitive Slave Laws - Center-Left

Executive Power - Center-Left

Pacific Railroad - Center-Right

Religion - Center

Abolition - Center-Left

Homestead Act - Center-Left

Popular Sovereignty - Center

Monroe Doctrine - Center-Right

Robert M. T. Hunter (ND-Virginia)

State's Rights - Center-Left

Tariffs - Center-Right

Taxes - Center

Compromise of 1850 - Center

Dred Scott - Center-Left

Military - Center

Immigration - Center

Economy - Center-Left

Labor Rights - Center

Gold Standard - Center-Right

Industry - Center-Left

American-British relations - Center-Left

Mexico - Center-Right

Possible Secession - Center-Left

Fugitive Slave Laws - Center-Left

Executive Power - Center

Pacific Railroad - Center

Religion - Center

Abolition - Center-Left

Homestead Act - Center-Left

Popular Sovereignty - Center

Monroe Doctrine - Center-Right

Andrew Johnson (ND-Tennessee)

State's Rights - Center-Right

Tariffs - Center

Taxes - Center

Compromise of 1850 - Center

Dred Scott - Center-Left

Military - Center

Immigration - Center

Economy - Center-Left

Labor Rights - Center

Gold Standard - Center-Right

Industry - Left

American-British relations - Center-Left

Mexico - Center-Right

Possible Secession - Center-Right

Fugitive Slave Laws - Center

Executive Power - Center-Right

Pacific Railroad - Center

Religion - Center

Abolition - Center-Left

Homestead Act - Center

Popular Sovereignty - Center

Monroe Doctrine - Center-Right

It was difficult to find every candidate's issue on everything, so if you feel like I got something wrong or something needs to be changed, feel free to chime in.

Next I will finish the Republicans except for Lincoln.

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ok thanks so much man! ill add those in and we are one step closer to being done

Are you okay with completing the issues for Dickinson?

EDIT: I just saw Horatio Seymour in the initial candidates' list on page 1.

Seymour didn't run in 1860, instead supporting Stephen Douglas. He could be a crusader for Douglas if need be.

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everything looks good man. we can have seymour as an off by default

Just so you know, I don't plan on doing Seymour's issues.

I will do the remaining Republicans, but if you want Seymour in the game, you'll have to add his issue positions.

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Here are the remaining Republicans besides Lincoln.

Senator William H Seward of New York

State's Rights - Center-Right

Tariffs - Center-Right

Taxes - Center

Compromise of 1850 - Right

Dred Scott - Right

Military - Center-Right

Immigration - Center

Economy - Center

Labor Rights - Center-Right

Gold Standard - Center

Industry - Center-Right

American-British relations - Center

Mexico - Center-Right

Possible Secession - Center-Right

Fugitive Slave Laws - Right

Executive Power - Center-Right

Pacific Railroad - Center-Right

Religion - Center-Left

Abolition - Center-Right

Homestead Act - Center-Right

Popular Sovereignty - Right

Monroe Doctrine - Right

Former Governor Salmon P Chase of Ohio

State's Rights - Right

Tariffs - Center-Right

Taxes - Center

Compromise of 1850 - Right

Dred Scott - Right

Military - Center-Right

Immigration - Center

Economy - Center-Left

Labor Rights - Center-Right

Gold Standard - Left

Industry - Center-Right

American-British relations - Center

Mexico - Center-Right

Possible Secession - Right

Fugitive Slave Laws - Right

Executive Power - Right

Pacific Railroad - Center-Right

Religion - Center-Right

Abolition - Right

Homestead Act - Center-Right

Popular Sovereignty - Right

Monroe Doctrine - Center-Right

Former Representative Edward Bates of Missouri

State's Rights - Center-Right

Tariffs - Center-Right

Taxes - Center

Compromise of 1850 - Center-Right

Dred Scott - Center-Right

Military - Center-Right

Immigration - Right

Economy - Center

Labor Rights - Center-Right

Gold Standard - Center

Industry - Center-Right

American-British relations - Center-Right

Mexico - Center-Right

Possible Secession - Center-Right

Fugitive Slave Laws - Center-Right

Executive Power - Center

Pacific Railroad - Center-Left

Religion - Right

Abolition - Center

Homestead Act - Center-Right

Popular Sovereignty - Right

Monroe Doctrine - Center-Right

Senator Simon Cameron of Pennsylvania

State's Rights - Right

Tariffs - Center-Right

Taxes - Center

Compromise of 1850 - Center

Dred Scott - Right

Military - Center-Right

Immigration - Center

Economy - Right

Labor Rights - Right

Gold Standard - Center-Right

Industry - Right

American-British relations - Center-Right

Mexico - Center-Right

Possible Secession - Right

Fugitive Slave Laws - Right

Executive Power - Right

Pacific Railroad - Right

Religion - Center

Abolition - Center-Right

Homestead Act - Center-Right

Popular Sovereignty - Center

Monroe Doctrine - Center-Right

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Here are the remaining Republicans besides Lincoln.

Senator William H Seward of New York

State's Rights - Center-Right

Tariffs - Center-Right

Taxes - Center

Compromise of 1850 - Right

Dred Scott - Right

Military - Center-Right

Immigration - Center

Economy - Center

Labor Rights - Center-Right

Gold Standard - Center

Industry - Center-Right

American-British relations - Center

Mexico - Center-Right

Possible Secession - Center-Right

Fugitive Slave Laws - Right

Executive Power - Center-Right

Pacific Railroad - Center-Right

Religion - Center-Left

Abolition - Center-Right

Homestead Act - Center-Right

Popular Sovereignty - Right

Monroe Doctrine - Right

Former Governor Salmon P Chase of Ohio

State's Rights - Right

Tariffs - Center-Right

Taxes - Center

Compromise of 1850 - Right

Dred Scott - Right

Military - Center-Right

Immigration - Center

Economy - Center-Left

Labor Rights - Center-Right

Gold Standard - Left

Industry - Center-Right

American-British relations - Center

Mexico - Center-Right

Possible Secession - Right

Fugitive Slave Laws - Right

Executive Power - Right

Pacific Railroad - Center-Right

Religion - Center-Right

Abolition - Right

Homestead Act - Center-Right

Popular Sovereignty - Right

Monroe Doctrine - Center-Right

Former Representative Edward Bates of Missouri

State's Rights - Center-Right

Tariffs - Center-Right

Taxes - Center

Compromise of 1850 - Center-Right

Dred Scott - Center-Right

Military - Center-Right

Immigration - Right

Economy - Center

Labor Rights - Center-Right

Gold Standard - Center

Industry - Center-Right

American-British relations - Center-Right

Mexico - Center-Right

Possible Secession - Center-Right

Fugitive Slave Laws - Center-Right

Executive Power - Center

Pacific Railroad - Center-Left

Religion - Right

Abolition - Center

Homestead Act - Center-Right

Popular Sovereignty - Right

Monroe Doctrine - Center-Right

Senator Simon Cameron of Pennsylvania

State's Rights - Right

Tariffs - Center-Right

Taxes - Center

Compromise of 1850 - Center

Dred Scott - Right

Military - Center-Right

Immigration - Center

Economy - Right

Labor Rights - Right

Gold Standard - Center-Right

Industry - Right

American-British relations - Center-Right

Mexico - Center-Right

Possible Secession - Right

Fugitive Slave Laws - Right

Executive Power - Right

Pacific Railroad - Right

Religion - Center

Abolition - Center-Right

Homestead Act - Center-Right

Popular Sovereignty - Center

Monroe Doctrine - Center-Right

This looks very good! This should be an excellent scenario, knock on wood!

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I would add French-American relations. There was a big debate during the time about whether to be closer to France or England.

Actually, that's already covered as counter-stances to the British Relations Issue; basically one wing leads closer to the Brits, the other to the French. Thanks for the idea, though.

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im happy to announce now that i have summer i will begin working on this again and hope to have it done in a couple weeks!

That's awesome news. I look forward to seeing the results.

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