South Guanjin

[Patine]

As another micronation to add to GOP Progressive's micronation world (also added to my Matvail2002) in addition to Reshmir and Kiristonia (so far), I present the idea of South Guanjin. Like certain Asian nations in the real world who have or had names beginning with 'south,' South Guanjin has been at war with, and now is at a tense cease-fire with, it's Communist northern counterpart. This war, back in the '60's and '70's, though limited in scope and mission objectives by a desire of the major nations not to explode into a global catastrophe, involved Brittannian, Alexandrian, Kozekuran, and other democratic nations troops, arms, and supplies to South Guanjin and the same from Shalou and Katyusha to North Guanjin. Even though the ceasefire has held for over 30 years, insurgent pro-Communist rebels cause trouble in the hilly northern jungle provinces of South Guanjin. Now a pivotal election is being held where the Socialist Worker's National Unity Party of Guanjin (SWNUPG), the political arm of the People's National Unity Front (the northern guerilla group) is more popular than at any time since before the war, given rampant unemployment and anti-labour union and farm collective policies by the reigning Conservative Democratic Party. Other parties include the far-right-wing Radical Party, the centrist Home Ground Party, the centre-left though VERY anti-north Patriotic Party, the mid-left Social Democratic Party, and the Essentialist Party, the political arm of the strange Huanchan cult.

Ethnicities:

55% Guanjinese

20% Vietnamese, Thai, and other Southeast Asians

10% Shalou (Chinese-types, I'm guessing)

5% Bachou (a traditionalist hill people among whom the Huanchan cult originates)

Religions:

30% Roman Catholic

30% Buddhist (several sects)

15% Taoist

10% Huanchan

5% Moslem

Any thoughts or comments?

[gopprogressive]

Interestingly enough, my sequel to Kozakura was going to be "Shou Lung," which sounds a lot like Shalou. That's rather entertaining.

I'd also suggest 5% Atheist rather than 5% Moslem, since Moslems are pretty much negligible in RL Vietnam and Korea.

What do you think the issues should be?

[Patine]

Interestingly enough, my sequel to Kozakura was going to be "Shou Lung," which sounds a lot like Shalou. That's rather entertaining.

We could just assume that Shalou is Shou Lung to make things more concise.

I'd also suggest 5% Atheist rather than 5% Moslem, since Moslems are pretty much negligible in RL Vietnam and Korea.

You're probably right. I'll adjust it.

Issues include:

Agrarian Collectives

Armed Forces

Education

Foreign Trade

Huanchan Cult

Kozekuran Relations

Labour Unions

National Security

North Guanjin

Organized Crime

People's National Unity Front

Poverty

Vice (Drugs, Gambling, Prostitution) Laws

Western Relations

I will need a few more, though.

[gopprogressive]

We could just assume that Shalou is Shou Lung to make things more concise.

You're probably right. I'll adjust it.

Issues include:

Agrarian Collectives

Armed Forces

Education

Foreign Trade

Huanchan Cult

Kozekuran Relations

Labour Unions

National Security

North Guanjin

Organized Crime

People's National Unity Front

Poverty

Vice (Drugs, Gambling, Prostitution) Laws

Western Relations

I will need a few more, though.

How about these?

Agriculture

Armed Forces

Communist Insurgency

Economic Development

Education

Environment

Foreign Trade

Huanchan Cult

Kozakuran Relations

Labour Unions

Minority Rights

Nationalization

North Guanjin

Organized Crime

Poverty

Unemployment

Vice Laws

Western Relations

[Patine]

Those look excellent, actually! I'm currently pondering how to arrange for a map. South Guanjin is divided into 27 provinces and 3 large cities, which will be my regions, each of which will have 3-15 constituencies. It is surrounded by sea to the east and south, and two of the three large cities are ports. 4 provinces have Bachou as a majority, and thus strong support for the Huanchan cult and the Essentialist Party, and another seven provinces, located in the north of the country, are the romping ground for the PNUF and thus tend to vote SWNUPG.

[gopprogressive]

Those look excellent, actually! I'm currently pondering how to arrange for a map. South Guanjin is divided into 27 provinces and 3 large cities, which will be my regions, each of which will have 3-15 constituencies. It is surrounded by sea to the east and south, and two of the three large cities are ports. 4 provinces have Bachou as a majority, and thus strong support for the Huanchan cult and the Essentialist Party, and another seven provinces, located in the north of the country, are the romping ground for the PNUF and thus tend to vote SWNUPG.

Nice! Sounds epic!

[Patine]

Some party leaders:

Conservative Democratic Party

Ving Marr: Incumbent Prime Minister, an anti-socialist and fiscal conservative who wants to quash Communist influence; the mastermind behind anti-labour union and farm collective laws.

Tan Co: Granddaughter of South Guanjin's first Prime Minister and a popular member of the Parliament. More conciliatory than Ving, but also more aimed at foreign trade and quashing organized crime.

Zan Shou: Former Minister of Security, Zan is a rabid 'witchunter' in his pursuit of Communists and what he believes is the corruption behind the Huanchan faith. He is very charismatic and a vociferous speaker.

Radical Party

Ngin Hong: A secular reactionary who wants order and stability for South Guanjin at any cost. He is accused of having a fascist mindset.

Home Ground Party

Lao Norng: A high-ranking bureaucrat who is willing to compromise with the other parties to bring true change and prosperity.

Patriotic Party

Bien Jing: An activist university professor who seeks stronger internal security without targeting unions and collectives, and a more prepared military to stand up to North Guanjin.

Social Democratic Party

Fong Mei: A career politician like her father, the party's founder, Fong seeks some socialistic programs, including full support for collectiv-farms and labour union, without falling to total Communism.

Essentialist Party

His Holiness Kuan Linh Vong: One of the High Five who head the Huanchan Cult, Kuan believes in bringing this questionable faith's holy law to be the rule of the land in South Guanjin.

Socialist Worker's National Unity Party of Guanjin

Seng Jorn: Former officer in North Guanjin's Army and a card-holding member of their Communist Party as well, Seng runs to not only bring Communist rule to South Guanjin, but to peacefully unite the two nations under the North's leadership.

Yuan Lo: Seng's main opponent in the SWNUG, she is a native of the South and, while she espouses making a Communist state friendly to the North, she rejects fully unilateral 'annexation' by it.

Edited to add canddiates.

[gopprogressive]

I can help you with this, do you have region names? I could do regional centers and issue positions for you (I happen to be good at those).

[Patine]

I can help you with this, do you have region names? I could do regional centers and issue positions for you (I happen to be good at those).

For region names, I need to come up with 30 Southeast Asian-sounding names for the 27 provinces and 3 large cities (even more when I get around to constituency names, as urban district, small city, geograpic and historic region, and large village or commune names will also need to be thought of for these). Mind, I can have a very few pairs of provinces with North and South, or East and West, and a name, but I don't want to overuse that, though may use it more for constuency names.

Essentially, regional centres are left in provinces on the north border, centre-left in provinces near it and in the cities, centre-right in most of the southern provinces, right in the 4 Bachou-dominated provinces, and centre elsewhere, roughly.

[Patine]

Check out my new leaders. I edited the above file.

[gopprogressive]

I'll try to come up with regional names using IRL Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodian and Thai provinces. I'll also put the origin in parenthesis tomorrow.

[gopprogressive]

BTW, what do you want for a capital name?

Provinces:

Chiang Mai (Thai)

Chonburi (Thai)

Lampang (Thai)

Rayong (Thai)

Saraburi (Thai)

Surat Thani (Thai)

Yasothon (Thai)

Kuan Eim (Thai)

Lan Xang (Laotian)

Attapura (Laotian)

Houaphan (Laotian)

Luang Prabang (Laotian)

Salavan (Laotian)

Kampong (Cambodian)

Mondulkiri (Cambodian)

Pursat (Cambodian)

Hoa Binh (Vietnamese)

Tuyen Quang (Vietnamese)

Quang Tri (Vietnamese)

Bến Tre (Vietnamese)

Dak Nong (Vietnamese)

Binh Duong (Vietnamese)

Vinh Long (Vietnamese)

Can Tho (Vietnamese)

Thang Long (Vietnamese)

Ha Tinh (Vietnamese)

Nghe An (Vietnamese)

Nha Trang (Vietnamese)

Quan Âm (Vietnamese)

[Patine]

BTW, what do you want for a capital name?

Provinces:

Chiang Mai (Thai)

Chonburi (Thai)

Lampang (Thai)

Rayong (Thai)

Saraburi (Thai)

Surat Thani (Thai)

Yasothon (Thai)

Kuan Eim (Thai)

Lan Xang (Laotian)

Attapura (Laotian)

Houaphan (Laotian)

Luang Prabang (Laotian)

Salavan (Laotian)

Kampong (Cambodian)

Mondulkiri (Cambodian)

Pursat (Cambodian)

Hoa Binh (Vietnamese)

Tuyen Quang (Vietnamese)

Quang Tri (Vietnamese)

Bến Tre (Vietnamese)

Dak Nong (Vietnamese)

Binh Duong (Vietnamese)

Vinh Long (Vietnamese)

Can Tho (Vietnamese)

Thang Long (Vietnamese)

Ha Tinh (Vietnamese)

Nghe An (Vietnamese)

Nha Trang (Vietnamese)

Quan Âm (Vietnamese)

These names are great! I think I'll use the five Laotian names for the five predominantly-Bachou provinces, as Laotian names always struck me as just a bit more exotic than those of their neighbours. The capital city and main port will be called Changdou Paonat (a somewhat long name, but it, like Budapest in RL, is directly a merger of two older cities, Changdou and Paonat, and their names were just put together). The other major port-city is Nhantao and the major inland city is Guanling. These three cities are seperate regions. Thanks for the province names!

[gopprogressive]

Sweet! No problem! Do you need any other help?

Did you enjoy Kozekura?

[matvail2002]

Patine, I can help you with this one if you want as no scenario was ever made based on SE Asia.

However, I am just wondering if you are thinking of making the political system more like the Westminister system (like IRL Malaysia or Singapore) with the Canadian or British game engine or a system like in Thailand or the Philippines with the German game engine.

[Patine]

Patine, I can help you with this one if you want as no scenario was ever made based on SE Asia.

However, I am just wondering if you are thinking of making the political system more like the Westminister system (like IRL Malaysia or Singapore) with the Canadian or British game engine or a system like in Thailand or the Philippines with the German game engine.

I'm planning on the Westminister System, as I imagine it's current constitution was greatly influenced by New Brittania when they propped them up during the war with North Guanjin in the '60's and '70's.

[Patine]

I've been doing some thinking on this one, as it's now on the priorities list. I'm seriously considering replacing an issue with Ayati Relations, but I can't decide yet which one. I need some good pictures of SE Asian leaders and other dignatories, including a religious leader in truly grandiose and exotic attire for the Essentialist leader. Also, I would be grateful to anyone who could provide party logos. Notably, the SWNUG logo should more focus on a Vietnamese/Viet Cong-style yellow star than the typical sickle and hammer, and the others should use SE Asian-style writing, as well as animals, plants, and weapons, as symbols.

[Treasurer]

I'll try and provide candidate pictures and logos for you. What colours do you want, representing the various parties, for the logos?

[gopprogressive]

I'll try and provide candidate pictures and logos for you. What colours do you want, representing the various parties, for the logos?

I can do the candidate pictures, Treasurer is awesome with party logos.

Patine, I'll throw you a bone and put in South Guanjin to the Foreign Relations issue for Ayati.

[gopprogressive]

Some party leaders:

Conservative Democratic Party

Ving Marr: Incumbent Prime Minister, an anti-socialist and fiscal conservative who wants to quash Communist influence; the mastermind behind anti-labour union and farm collective laws.

Tan Co: Granddaughter of South Guanjin's first Prime Minister and a popular member of the Parliament. More conciliatory than Ving, but also more aimed at foreign trade and quashing organized crime.

Zan Shou: Former Minister of Security, Zan is a rabid 'witchunter' in his pursuit of Communists and what he believes is the corruption behind the Huanchan faith. He is very charismatic and a vociferous speaker.

Radical Party

Ngin Hong: A secular reactionary who wants order and stability for South Guanjin at any cost. He is accused of having a fascist mindset.

Home Ground Party

Lao Norng: A high-ranking bureaucrat who is willing to compromise with the other parties to bring true change and prosperity.

Patriotic Party

Bien Jing: An activist university professor who seeks stronger internal security without targeting unions and collectives, and a more prepared military to stand up to North Guanjin.

Social Democratic Party

Fong Mei: A career politician like her father, the party's founder, Fong seeks some socialistic programs, including full support for collectiv-farms and labour union, without falling to total Communism.

Essentialist Party

His Holiness Kuan Linh Vong: One of the High Five who head the Huanchan Cult, Kuan believes in bringing this questionable faith's holy law to be the rule of the land in South Guanjin.

Socialist Worker's National Unity Party of Guanjin

Seng Jorn: Former officer in North Guanjin's Army and a card-holding member of their Communist Party as well, Seng runs to not only bring Communist rule to South Guanjin, but to peacefully unite the two nations under the North's leadership.

Yuan Lo: Seng's main opponent in the SWNUG, she is a native of the South and, while she espouses making a Communist state friendly to the North, she rejects fully unilateral 'annexation' by it.

[Patine]

These pictures look great, GOP Progressive! Thanks a lot!

As for party colors, Treas, I'm envisioning the following:

Conservative Democratic - Blue

Radical - Grey

Home Ground - Green

Patriotic - Yellow

Social Democratic - Orange

Essentialist - Purple

SWNUG - Red

Thanks in advance for any help with logos!

[gopprogressive]

No problem Patine, I got pictures of politicians from Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, and Singapore.

Not sure about the last one, it's some Vietnamese woman posing with an assault rifle. But I thought it was fitting for a guerilla leader.

BTW, use the new picture for Tan Co please.

[Treasurer]

I've made a start on your logos. The animal featured is a Japanese Crane. I'll edit this post once i do more.

Conservative Democratic

Radical

Home Ground

Patriotic Party

Social Democratic

Essentialist

Translation in Korean i think. It only translates into essential, so just put it in English as well. The 2 things either side at the top, are women sitting on flowers. It was just a random Japanese style logo/drawing i found.

SWNUG

I can change this logo if you want, the translation is only "Communist".

[Patine]

These look stellar, TotPC! Thanks a lot! Sorry I didn't thank you sooner, but I must have missed it when you first posted, then it slid a few down. Looking great, though!

[Treasurer]

Logos are now finished. Unless you want that last one changed.