matvail2002 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Ok, I am thinking of doing a ''what-if'' scenario with all the US territories over time voting for a president (plus the Philippines and Cuba which are US States). Basically, it will have the 50 states plus: -Cuba -Puerto Rico -US Virgin Islands -American Samoa -Northern Mariana Islands -Guam -Phillippines Any thoughts or comments? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrabin56 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I think its a facinating idea for a scenario, just a few thoughts: 1. I assume DC also still gets to vote for President 2. What are the views of these regions? Assuming they've had power over American government for some time, they probably would differ from where they stand right now, particularly Cuba. 3. If these are territories, rather than states, can candidates from these territories run for president? 4. Is the presidential history of the U.S. the same with these territories voting in the past? Let me know your thoughts, I think this could be a very interesting scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matvail2002 Posted November 1, 2008 Author Share Posted November 1, 2008 1. I assume DC also still gets to vote for President Yes, of course! 2. What are the views of these regions? Assuming they've had power over American government for some time, they probably would differ from where they stand right now, particularly Cuba. Cuba: Possibly Dem vs GOP tie. Puerto Rico: Slight Dem USVI: Dem Solid American Samoa: Slight Dem Northern Mariana Islands: Dem vs. GOP tie. Guam: Dem vs. GOP tie. Phillipines: Slight Dem. 3. If these are territories, rather than states, can candidates from these territories run for president? Yes, they had changed the constitution as for anybody who was born in the these territories or the 50 states could run for president. 4. Is the presidential history of the U.S. the same with these territories voting in the past? Yes, because except for Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Phillipines they are very marginal as small US states like Rhode Island or Wyoming. In 2000 and 2004 Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Phillipines both voted GOP with a very narrow lead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoteGOP Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 How many evs are we lookin at for these new territories? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matvail2002 Posted November 2, 2008 Author Share Posted November 2, 2008 Cuba=20 Puerto Rico=10 US Virgin Islands=3 American Samoa=3 Northern Mariana Islands=3 Guam=3 Phillippines=60 Haiti=16 Dominican Republic=17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCA Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Whoah at the EV for the Philippines. I think we could see a Philippines being a decider state ala Texas or California except to a greater extent because of it's swing-state status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoteGOP Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Could we divide the Philipeans some how? 60 evs seems way too much. And the minimum EVs a place can have is 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCA Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 60 EV's is only 5 short of California's 55 and considering the fact that the Phillippines has 80+ Million people, why would you go about splitting it? You dont see Texas or California being split... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kauai Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I think that there would be some kind of clause that Territories couldn't have more power than the most powerful state, like DC but opposite, so I think the Phillippines should have 54 EVs. I don't think Americans or their legislatures would agree to allow them to vote any other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopprogressive Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Definately would love to see this one. You should also include the Dominican Republic and Haiti perhaps. The former was considered for annexation in 1878 I believe, but it was rejected by Congress. And the US occupied Haiti for almost 20 years too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Lincoln Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Yes, of course!Cuba: Possibly Dem vs GOP tie. Puerto Rico: Slight Dem USVI: Dem Solid American Samoa: Slight Dem Northern Mariana Islands: Dem vs. GOP tie. Guam: Dem vs. GOP tie. Phillipines: Slight Dem. Yes, they had changed the constitution as for anybody who was born in the these territories or the 50 states could run for president. Yes, because except for Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Phillipines they are very marginal as small US states like Rhode Island or Wyoming. In 2000 and 2004 Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Phillipines both voted GOP with a very narrow lead. Cuba should be solidly Dem as they are communists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kauai Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Cuba should be solidly Dem as they are communists. Dems aren't even close to commies. And that is the government, who says the people are commies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoteGOP Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Dems aren't even close to commies.And that is the government, who says the people are commies? Exactly. They wouldn't be commies if they were part of the US. And the Cuban American vote usually goes Republican. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny08 Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Exactly. They wouldn't be commies if they were part of the US. And the Cuban American vote usually goes Republican. I would say they are moving more toward the center though. This year Democrats have put the three Florida seats held by Cuban American's in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopprogressive Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I would say they are moving more toward the center though. This year Democrats have put the three Florida seats held by Cuban American's in play. Well the issue is not Cuban Americans, but rather the waves of Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and Central Americans who are moving into Florida. These constituencies are much poorer, are recent immigrants or children thereof, and more Democratic-leaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matvail2002 Posted November 2, 2008 Author Share Posted November 2, 2008 Haiti will be Dem by about 70%. The DR will be about 60% Dem and 40% GOP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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