Biden and Trump Polls in Political Fight Club Posted 20 hours ago 36 minutes ago, vcczar said: Sure it was relatively close (although not in the PV), but you have to also remember that Biden beat Trump without even really campaigning. Trump had rallies...Biden had occasional small gatherings. He basically slept through the 2020 election and still beat Trump in the EC and crushed him in the PV. That's a pretty embarrassing defeat, although I think most of the defeat was due to Trump routinely shooting himself in the foot, rather than anything Biden said or did. "Crushed him in PV" = that wasn't the game they were playing. There was nothing embarrassing about it. 45K is absolutely nothing and rallies weren't even a positive during COVID. Do you not remember the media going absolutely all in for Biden saying what a blowout it would be? Democrats couldn't even celebrate given how close the race was and how far off they were in results.