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Now, granted, P4E has the edge in almost all election sims, but there's this awesome game out I just got called Democracy. Basically let's you run the UK, the US, Japan, Canada, Australia, etc. and create your own policy as a leader.

The election system in the game is crappy, but still, it's always fun to see what you would do with the country after winning in P4E, PM4E, etc.

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It's a neat game, I guess, but it seems like the kind of thing that would get boring after a while.

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Now, granted, P4E has the edge in almost all election sims, but there's this awesome game out I just got called Democracy.  Basically let's you run the UK, the US, Japan, Canada, Australia, etc. and create your own policy as a leader.

The election system in the game is crappy, but still, it's always fun to see what you would do with the country after winning in P4E, PM4E, etc.

Any links to a demo or download?

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Democracy seems interesting, but I agree it's limited. after a few years it must get very repetitive.

I also dont like the interface, too slow and not descriptive enough.

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I actually really enjoyed that game. Sometimes it's fun to play a game with more policy and less campaigning.

I should buy the real version.

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Just search for 'democracy computer game' on Google, and you shoud get onto a download link at one point.

I quite like the game, although I guess the playability concerns are correct to an extent. I've always wanted to have an administration game (and not just an election game), and until now Hidden Agenda have come the closest. I'll definitely look into buying Democracy, my appetite was wetted by the demo.

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Just search for 'democracy computer game' on Google, and you shoud get onto a download link at one point.

I quite like the game, although I guess the playability concerns are correct to an extent. I've always wanted to have an administration game (and not just an election game), and until now Hidden Agenda have come the closest. I'll definitely look into buying Democracy, my appetite was wetted by the demo.

Cheers, I actually did that last night and managed to find a demo to download. It's OK, I kind of enjoyed playing it but there dosen't appear to be enough going on and there is not enough realism in regard to how the political system in the UK works. The tax options are very limited, income tax is just up and down, no tax bands so you can higher it for the rich and cut it for the middle class for instance. Foreign Policy is way too limited, you can't alter relations with different countries and so on. There should be a little more detail and way more options for policies you can implement and alter. Good idea though, and I like a lot of aspects of it, it's the kind of game I have wanted to see for a long time, perhaps 80soft could work on a much better Government simulator...

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Cheers, I actually did that last night and managed to find a demo to download. It's OK, I kind of enjoyed playing it but there dosen't appear to be enough going on and there is not enough realism in regard to how the political system in the UK works. The tax options are very limited, income tax is just up and down, no tax bands so you can higher it for the rich and cut it for the middle class for instance. Foreign Policy is way too limited, you can't alter relations with different countries and so on. There should be a little more detail and way more options for policies you can implement and alter. Good idea though, and I like a lot of aspects of it, it's the kind of game I have wanted to see for a long time, perhaps 80soft could work on a much better Government simulator...

You can change the tax rate to affect different groups.. look at the tax thing it says how much it takes from the middle earners, high earners tec.

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You can change the tax rate to affect different groups.. look at the tax thing it says how much it takes from the middle earners, high earners tec.

Where exactly do you find that? I've looked to no avail...

It'd be nice to have an improved "Democracy" with the election being run through the PMF/PF game. You could then affect the issue profile with your policy changes etc.

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I find out that I'm terrible at Democracy (Purchased the full version). I raised taxes and the business elite overthrew my government.

Maybe I'll just be a neocon when I play from now on.

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I find out that I'm terrible at Democracy (Purchased the full version). I raised taxes and the business elite overthrew my government.

Maybe I'll just be a neocon when I play from now on.

Has nothing to do with being a "neocon", and I hate to turn this into a political discussion, but you can't run a capitalist government as a left wing socialist country. Granted, the "business elite" overthrowing the government is a bit farfetched, but in real life they'd pack up and move jobs and their business elsewhere, where it's cheaper to sell their product. Then you have a nice dramatic increase in unemployment, less tax dollars running in the coffers, and more being spent socially on unemployment. Like it or not, big business employs a lot of people, so it's pretty dumb for any government to alienate them.

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Has nothing to do with being a "neocon", and I hate to turn this into a political discussion, but you can't run a capitalist government as a left wing socialist country.  Granted, the "business elite" overthrowing the government is a bit farfetched, but in real life they'd pack up and move jobs and their business elsewhere, where it's cheaper to sell their product.  Then you have a nice dramatic increase in unemployment, less tax dollars running in the coffers, and more being spent socially on unemployment.  Like it or not, big business employs a lot of people, so it's pretty dumb for any government to alienate them.

See, it wasn't like I ran it like a socialist utopia or anything.

I cut taxes earlier (This was Canada. Taxes were high.) But bad economics forced me to raise taxes back to original levels.

It was just bad playing.

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Hmm, I haven't exactly found the game challenging in that respect so far. I played in Canada and have wiped out the debt and I have lessened tax evasion to a minor problem, all other problems eradicated, while I have high productivity and a technological advantage.

And I'm not exactly right-wing to put it that way ;)

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"Has nothing to do with being a "neocon", and I hate to turn this into a political discussion, but you can't run a capitalist government as a left wing socialist country. Granted, the "business elite" overthrowing the government is a bit farfetched, but in real life they'd pack up and move jobs and their business elsewhere, where it's cheaper to sell their product. Then you have a nice dramatic increase in unemployment, less tax dollars running in the coffers, and more being spent socially on unemployment. Like it or not, big business employs a lot of people, so it's pretty dumb for any government to alienate them."

Actually all you have to do is shut down the banks. Like Lenin did to stop the starvation following WWI, which was created by the mega-wealthy speculating on food prices. Or like FDR did when the people backing the Nazis (including Dubya's grand-daddy) when they tried to destroy the US economy. It's a big myth that rich people are untouchably powerful. They're powerful because we let them be. If any government wants to and is not stopped by other governments it can do pretty much whatever it wants.. Socialism is perfectly possible democratically but I think it's just never been tried in a Developed country or allowed to get far.

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Actually all you have to do is shut down the banks. Like Lenin did to stop the starvation following WWI, which was created by the mega-wealthy speculating on food prices. Or like FDR did when the people backing the Nazis (including Dubya's grand-daddy) when they tried to destroy the US economy. It's a big myth that rich people are untouchably powerful. They're powerful because we let them be. If any government wants to and is not stopped by other governments it can do pretty much whatever it wants.. Socialism is perfectly possible democratically but I think it's just never been tried in a Developed country or allowed to get far.

Exactly. Like it's merley coincidence that Grandaddy Bush and Joseph Kennedy got their sons into politics...look what John Kennedy did to the income tax on the rich in the US.

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Socialism is perfectly possible democratically but I think it's just never been tried in a Developed country or allowed to get far.

I seem to recall reading once, that the movements combatting the Communist puppet-rulers of Eastern European countries, such as Hungary and Czechoslovakia, saw Denmark as a good example of how to implement socialism within a democratic framework :)

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Problem with Socialism and Democray is change takes along time which in democracy people want quick action which is not feasible to do it with any form of stability.

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Problem with Socialism and Democray is change takes along time which in democracy people want quick action which is not feasible to do it with any form of stability.

Hmm, you could also look at it the other way around. That the people are the most conservative and the governments/technocracy are pushing for change. Refer some Kantons in Switzerland only introducing universal suffrage in the 1970s, because it was the people's decision through a referendum. Had the matter been one which the representatives purely had to decide, it would most likely have been introduced much sooner.

Another example of the people being the most restrained is EU-integration.

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