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Oh come on, ask anyone - really, just anyone who knows someone in their 20s and 30s. They'll tell you!

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45 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Not true. Most in 20s or 30s have mild or no symptoms.

Are you seriously telling the spokesman of a hospital that has actually had covid-positive patients and staff that Covid is fine as long as you survive it?

Because...I mean...it’s not.  Not even a little bit.

If you actually believe that, then you’ve simply been misinformed.  Take a step back and go check with anyone who has had it.  You’re going to learn things.  This is going to be an educational experience for you.

But for those who have shown no symptoms, do you know what they do?  They infect everyone else!  So even if you were right that most of the people currently testing positive show no symptoms, that’s still an extremely bad development.

Think about these things.  Like, get away from the computer, take a walk around your neighborhood, and just reflect for a while.

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2 minutes ago, Wiw said:

Oh come on, ask anyone - really, just anyone who knows someone in their 20s and 30s. They'll tell you!

Most people who get infected with COVID-19 have mild or no symptoms - it is much more so true among people in their 20s or 30s.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus

We know that younger people have much less severe cases than older people. Look at hospitalization rates in the U.S. by age.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_3.html

 

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3 minutes ago, Actinguy said:

Are you seriously telling the spokesman of a hospital that has actually had covid-positive patients and staff that Covid is fine as long as you survive it?

No - please work on your reading comprehension.

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5 minutes ago, Actinguy said:

Think about these things.  Like, get away from the computer, take a walk around your neighborhood, and just reflect for a while.

@Actinguy , you are responding to someone else. Respond to what I actually say, instead of making straw men.

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7 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

We know that younger people have much less severe cases than older people.

Fine, but severe or not, they still have it, and they shouldn't be out there putting other lives at risk!

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2 hours ago, admin_270 said:

Employment numbers for May and June have been good.

Um, no.  The numbers have been better than expected, but 11% unemployment is not "good".

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1 hour ago, admin_270 said:

No - please work on your reading comprehension.

Seriously as the admin of this forum you could do better on keeping it polite.

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2 hours ago, admin_270 said:

@Actinguy , you are responding to someone else. Respond to what I actually say, instead of making straw men.

Who was I responding to?  Were you hacked?

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2 hours ago, Hestia11 said:

Seriously as the admin of this forum you could do better on keeping it polite.

I am being very polite.

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15 minutes ago, Actinguy said:

Who was I responding to?  Were you hacked?

OK, no substantive response. Either you are actually this thick, or you are putting on an act - you have no substantive response, I get it.

I am happy to get substantive push-back. You tend to make factual blunders, ad hominems, and non sequiturs instead. Oh well.

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2 hours ago, pilight said:

Um, no.  The numbers have been better than expected, but 11% unemployment is not "good".

Yes, that's what I mean - improving significantly.

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2 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Yes, that's what I mean - improving significantly.

That's not a good number, and as I stated the other day, unemployment is dropping but permanent loss of jobs is increasing. We also don't know the quality of these new jobs or even if they are full-time. I think I also mentioned this, but while Obama's unemployment numbers were dropping during the 2012 election, they weren't solid jobs or the jobs people had expected. You can't just look at unemployment figures. It's basically just something Trump can tout, just like Obama did, but the people are going to know if their lives are better now than they were just a year ago. 

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1 minute ago, vcczar said:

That's not a good number, and as I stated the other day, unemployment is dropping but permanent loss of jobs is increasing. We also don't know the quality of these new jobs or even if they are full-time. I think I also mentioned this, but while Obama's unemployment numbers were dropping during the 2012 election, they weren't solid jobs or the jobs people had expected. You can't just look at unemployment figures. It's basically just something Trump can tout, just like Obama did, but the people are going to know if their lives are better now than they were just a year ago. 

These are all important points - the details matter, we don't know all the details at this point, and other trends in employment may be more significant than the unemployment rate. But still, the unemployment % is moving in the right direction. Just imagine if it were still increasing.

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4 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

These are all important points - the details matter, we don't know all the details at this point, and other trends in employment may be more significant than the unemployment rate. But still, the unemployment % is moving in the right direction. Just imagine if it were still increasing.

That's true. Better that for him than the reverse. It's just more likely that a falling unemployment number with no real interior substance won't probably work on anyone already leaning Biden. That said, I think the chance of vote conversion is very low. Last election, we had to 100% name recognition people, but Trump was a mystery, so people could take a gamble if they didn't like Clinton's record. Now Trump has a record. I haven't paid attention to undecided % right now, I'd imagine it is lower than in 2016. I think the falling unemployment, assuming these new jobs aren't job that were expected or desired, might be enough to keep those leaning more towards him than Biden, but are still uncertain.

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On 7/7/2020 at 10:23 PM, billay said:

A) Shift on COVID, blame Mike Pence, Fire him and announce Nikki Haley the VP? Possibly giving him a bump with women and playing nice with the establishment setting her up for 2024?

B) Do Republicans try and convince someone like Thomas to step down from SCOTUS to possibly change the election narrative from COVID/Protests to SCOTUS appointments?

Both strategies are quite interesting. Regarding the SC, I'd reach out to Thomas and ask if he could announce he's retiring next summer. If Trump does not win, Thomas would still be able to revise his decision afterwards. 

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1 minute ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Both strategies are quite interesting. Regarding the SC, I'd reach out to Thomas and ask if he could announce he's retiring next summer. If Trump does not win, Thomas would still be able to revise his decision afterwards. 

Politicising an epidemic where people's lives are at stake so blatantly and callously to cover up utter incompetence in handling it, hoping to get re-elected on disingenuous hoodwinking so you can carry right on with your incompetence costing more lives, is a disgusting and loathsome, and downright sociopathic and inhuman tactic. And I'm disappointed that you'd show any approval for either.

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2 hours ago, Patine said:

Politicising an epidemic where people's lives are at stake so blatantly and callously to cover up utter incompetence in handling it, hoping to get re-elected on disingenuous hoodwinking so you can carry right on with your incompetence costing more lives, is a disgusting and loathsome, and downright sociopathic and inhuman tactic. And I'm disappointed that you'd show any approval for either.

Calm down

 

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2 minutes ago, billay said:

Calm down

 

Don't patronize me as yet another one of your disingenuous and underhanded tactics to try to get one up on, and look in a "better position," than me. I can see right through you already.

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2 hours ago, Patine said:

Don't patronize me as yet another one of your disingenuous and underhanded tactics to try to get one up on, and look in a "better position," than me. I can see right through you already.

It's not that serious lol

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Just now, billay said:

It's not that serious lol

Not in and of itself. But you've revealed your true preferred tactics to online debate - and ones you seem to believe are perfectly acceptable and appropriately - and destroyed all your credibility on a topic you've now just dismissed as "not that serious." That was a poorly chosen hill to die on - and in vain.

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12 hours ago, Patine said:

Politicising an epidemic where people's lives are at stake so blatantly and callously to cover up utter incompetence in handling it, hoping to get re-elected on disingenuous hoodwinking so you can carry right on with your incompetence costing more lives, is a disgusting and loathsome, and downright sociopathic and inhuman tactic. And I'm disappointed that you'd show any approval for either.

Yeah but the "Thomas-Strategy" could be from my playbook, even in a world where the pandemic doesn't exist. As you might have noticed I am very much interested in the Supreme Court stuff, so I am not endorsing this way because I am want to cover things up. 

Additionally I think, it would be sad to drop Pence, but I also understand why people think Haley would be a better running mate. I'd still be concerned if evangelical voters would accept this move. Same goes for a move towards BLM and a surprise comeback from Condoleezza Rice as running mate. A smart move on one side, but a bad at the other.

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5 hours ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Yeah but the "Thomas-Strategy" could be from my playbook, even in a world where the pandemic doesn't exist. As you might have noticed I am very much interested in the Supreme Court stuff, so I am not endorsing this way because I am want to cover things up. 

Additionally I think, it would be sad to drop Pence, but I also understand why people think Haley would be a better running mate. I'd still be concerned if evangelical voters would accept this move. Same goes for a move towards BLM and a surprise comeback from Condoleezza Rice as running mate. A smart move on one side, but a bad at the other.

Well, as for the Supreme Court nominations being important, you know the contempt I've expressed for judges appointed FOR partisan reasons, and how I believe it's a compromise, even betrayal, of the whole system of judicial review and has put almost Supreme Court ruling into unreliability, dubiosity, and suspect, so I have no sympathy there (or for those backing on Biden doing to the analog reverse as their chip in supporting him). Pence may be an Evangelical, but he's not really a Christian at all - he's a loathsome wolf in sheep's clothing who takes pride in policies of enabling and encouraging hate, and uses the Lord's Name in Vain and commits blasphemy by saying it's doing the Lord's Work as acting in a Christlike way - a truly man, and there's tonnes like him in the modern U.S. Republican Party. I don't know much about Haley, but I think you're reading WAY too much into Rice's skin colour alone - it strikes me, from their tenor and message they go on about, Rice is deep into "Uncle Tom," territory and would not at all an asset for such a blatant ploy. And plus, on top of that, you've also dismissed politicizing the handling of the virus and risking more lives - because the whole original ploy is based on passing the buck disingenuously on whose to blame for the mishandling, but also setting up for Trump to carry on mishandling it, causing more lives. As the one, single verse in the Limbo party song goes, "how low can you go?!" Well, how low, @Conservative Elector 2?

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6 minutes ago, billay said:

There's violence across the board. People are angry and frustrated, and driven to extremes, and politicians of both major parties are capitalizing on this trend in the most disingenuous and loathsome of ways. Neither major party, in general, has a moral upper ground, and they, and their respective propaganda, have both descended to vile levels to court votes. No individual anecdotes of violence make either more "villainous," or "vindicated," in a broad sense - and your attempts to make the argument, several times, that they do, puts you on the disgusting and lowly level of argument of the fire-spitting and vitriolic party machines, whom I have nothing but contempt for them, and their media "news," (read lies and propaganda) engines, and I believe they have both lied to, cheated, failed, and committed high crimes against the people and nation so often they've lost any reasonable mandate to continue governing - if it wasn't for the fact that U.S. elections were so corrupt and rigged that the Duopoly, as a whole, cannot lose (on paper) - any more than United Russia can lose in Russia or ZANU-PF can lose in Zimbabwe. So, congratulations on making a non-point that only further lowers my opinion of any integrity of debate you may have left.

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