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  1. 1. It seems like these are by far the likely VP choices, as it appears Biden is set to pick a woman of color. Who would be the best pick for Biden if these were his only remaining choices?

    • Sen. Kamala Harris - CA (Name recognition and strong debater; not liked by progressives and not from helpful state)
    • Rep. Val Demings - FL (From important state and would defuse Trump's law & order push since she's a cop; progressives won't like her and no name recognition)
    • Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms - GA (Considered strong speaker and from important state; no name recognition and very inexperienced)
    • Fmr Nat. Sec. Advsr Susan Rice - ME (Familiar with Biden and Obama, experienced; no electoral experience and only a foreign policy specialist)
    • Fmr Gov nominee Stacey Abrams - GA (Dynamic speaker and from an important state; might want the job too much and has limited experience)


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3 hours ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

I don't think so. First of all she isn't black and her handling as Governor is mediocre to put it nicely. Her husband made also a huge gaffe as he didn't care about the rules...

She is also a fan-favorite for Joe Biden's brain, and she still has been supported by the DNC despite her many flaws and her overall stupidity.

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9 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Why do you think Harris would be a disaster?

Her record as AG, she's a polarizing figure but I don't see nearly as many people showing love as support as other polarizing figures, and the people who really do support her want her at the top of the ticket not number 2, the rumors that she slept her way to the top(I find those sexist but seeing as they exist they're a problem, also I guess they aren't rumors so much as she was in a relationship with the man, still have a sexist undertone and still could be an issue), she's from California so a state Biden will win anyway, and I don't actually think she'll fire up the minority base, in fact I think she'd do the opposite once more of her record as AG and her general views on criminal justice come out. 

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4 minutes ago, SilentLiberty said:

Her record as AG, she's a polarizing figure but I don't see nearly as many people showing love as support as other polarizing figures, and the people who really do support her want her at the top of the ticket not number 2, the rumors that she slept her way to the top(I find those sexist but seeing as they exist they're a problem, also I guess they aren't rumors so much as she was in a relationship with the man, still have a sexist undertone and still could be an issue), she's from California so a state Biden will win anyway, and I don't actually think she'll fire up the minority base, in fact I think she'd do the opposite once more of her record as AG and her general views on criminal justice come out. 

Who do you think find Harris a polarizing figure?

How do you think the rumours you refer to would impact her ability to run as a Veep candidate?

I think your final point is perhaps the best one. She might actually diminish black turnout, despite being black herself.

 

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Just now, admin_270 said:

Who do you think find Harris a polarizing figure?

How do you think the rumours you refer to would impact her ability to run as a Veep candidate?

I think your final point is perhaps the best one. She might actually diminish black turnout, despite being black herself.

 

Social media seems really torn on her which is why I think she's a polarizing figure. The people who are vocal about her either really love her(want her on top of the ticket) or really really don't like her. But she's not as polarizing as Trump that's for certain. Abrams is probably more polarizing too.

I think it'd effect her and Biden in that recently there has been a lot of sexual assault accusations once again, not on the level of the original #MeToo movement, but gaining steam once again. I think this would be an issue because Biden has the Creepy Uncle Joe history and Trump has his "when your a star they let you do anything", picking Harris wouldn't really negate either of those, especially if the rumors get significant attention. If they don't then it probably is a non-issue.

Yeah, I do think Harris might bring out the guilty white privilege voter, but I feel like those voters are more likely to vote for Biden anyway.

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6 minutes ago, SilentLiberty said:

Social media seems really torn on her which is why I think she's a polarizing figure. The people who are vocal about her either really love her(want her on top of the ticket) or really really don't like her. But she's not as polarizing as Trump that's for certain. Abrams is probably more polarizing too.

I think it'd effect her and Biden in that recently there has been a lot of sexual assault accusations once again, not on the level of the original #MeToo movement, but gaining steam once again. I think this would be an issue because Biden has the Creepy Uncle Joe history and Trump has his "when your a star they let you do anything", picking Harris wouldn't really negate either of those, especially if the rumors get significant attention. If they don't then it probably is a non-issue.

Yeah, I do think Harris might bring out the guilty white privilege voter, but I feel like those voters are more likely to vote for Biden anyway.

Thanks for this - that helps clarify what you meant for me.

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2 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Thanks for this - that helps clarify what you meant for me.

Yeah no problem. Sometimes things come out like word vomit so anything I can do to clarify, I'm happy to do. :D

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Reluctantly Kamala, She has been a leader with police reform, even though I don't agree with her past. She is half African American and Half Indian(My girlfriend is and I know somebody like her parents would even happily vote for Biden, after voting for Trump in 2016, but their favorite was Bernie so it's an interesting thought, if she was picked, so maybe Asian turnout could help with some states) , and a woman. Which are all historic for a VP spot,Plus she is a great debater, though I hope she doesn't back peddle on something like how she did with Biden.

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5 hours ago, admin_270 said:

-helped bring in religious conservatives).

Trump didn't need a VP to bring in the Cult of Mammon conservatives, and no proper adherent to any other major religion with any significant pedigree and establishment properly following the doctrines of their beliefs would be anything but repulsed by Pence...

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Patine said:

Trump didn't need a VP to bring in the Cult of Mammon conservatives, and no proper adherent to any other major religion with any significant pedigree and establishment properly following the doctrines of their beliefs would be anything but repulsed by Pence...

Oh brother ...

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5 minutes ago, TheMiddlePolitical said:

Reluctantly Kamala, She has been a leader with police reform, even though I don't agree with her past. She is half African American and Half Indian(My girlfriend is and I know somebody like her parents would even happily vote for Biden, after voting for Trump in 2016, but their favorite was Bernie so it's an interesting thought, if she was picked, so maybe Asian turnout could help with some states) , and a woman. Which are all historic for a VP spot,Plus she is a great debater, though I hope she doesn't back peddle on something like how she did with Biden.

So naïve. She's been a willing part of the problem with crimes committed by the State against their own people through police and judicial abuses, and Unconstitutional private prison slavery, and her being half-African-American only, truly, serves to make her an "Uncle Tom figure to African-American voters, in truth.

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Just now, admin_270 said:

Oh brother …

Why don't you demonstrate how Pence is a great champion and advocate, in word and deed, of the MINISTRY OF CHRIST (and no distracting, misleading, or later material)?

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7 hours ago, vcczar said:

So who is his best option out of these then. 

I'd have to research the other four, as my knowledge of them is very sketchy (two of them I haven't even heard of before until now).

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@vcczar 

I have just seen reports, I can't link it right away cause it is on my phone,from a political commentator that Biden is between Harris and Demings

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14 hours ago, TheMiddlePolitical said:

@vcczar 

I have just seen reports, I can't link it right away cause it is on my phone,from a political commentator that Biden is between Harris and Demings

Trump's people say it's down to Harris and Susan Rice (I have no words for this).

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Out of these choices definitely Harris, even if I am not a big fan of her. She is a great debater so seeing her vs. Pence would be awesome, but this doesn't really help persuade progressives to vote for Biden and be more comfortable. She is further left than Biden though so I guess that's a plus. Any of the other choices I would be very disappointed with. I am still hoping for Warren but that seems unlikely at this point. If he never committed to a woman I would be rooting for Castro since his signature policy is police reform. 

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2 hours ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Trump's people say it's down to Harris and Susan Rice (I have no words for this).

Certainty choosing Demings either way would be terrible, Choosing a former police chief would instantly sway away progressives in these times, Harris was just a A.G at-least, not an actual cop,Rice would not be that good also, What I least liked about Obama's presidency was his foreign policy. 

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I think Biden's decision to limit himself to a black woman solely for the sake of the times we're in was a poor idea, if one that was electorally understandable. Elizabeth Warren would have been the best choice in my opinion, someone with experience but also getting that progressive turnout high. The fact that quite a lot of Biden's support comes from people voting AGAINST Trump rather than FOR him is something that he needs to address, and I still think Warren would be the best candidate for that.

 

Kamala Harris - Reluctantly, she is probably the best of the line up that's been presented here. She's a strong debater who I think will be no match for Pence in the Vice Presidential debate, and since it's pretty much confirmed Biden will be a one term President it will provide her the opportunity to entrench herself as a President-in-waiting, if Biden wins that is. She is one of the better known Senators (speaking as someone from another country.) However, her biggest issue IMO is her record as Attorney General. The "I've always been a progressive prosecutor" shtick isn't convincing, indeed a whole road to Damascus moment in which she denounced some of the stuff she had done in the past would have been more convincing. Unless she does work on coming up with a defence to that, she could hinder more than she helps. Also, she's close to Biden politically, and I doubt she can capitalise on this crisis as much as someone more progressive could.

 

Val Demings - Now, of all the picks this would by my favourite option, but not the one I would recommend. I'm always a firm believer that the Democrats have to park their tanks on the Republicans lawn when it comes to law and order. Tough on crime but tough on the causes of crime, and all that. To that end, having a former chief of police with experience on dealing with the system of policing, and with legislative experience in the House, makes her a strong candidate to take on Trump and Pence when they inevitably go down the "law and order" route. But, if Biden chooses a cop, he will be eaten alive. The BLM movement has already proven that it's not going to be boxed in by any conventional political divides: it's not as loyal to the Democrats as some people seem to claim it is, and I am sure they will turn on him if he chooses her. Additionally, she is a virtual non-entity when it comes to name recognition, and if we're running on the assumption that Biden either doesn't seek a second term, or leaves office during his first, I don't think she's ready for President yet. Perhaps a run for Senate could do her good? Or, a run for Governor where she can make an impact on Florida and run on that record.

 

Keisha Lance Bottoms: She has done a good job of handling the Atlanta protests, and her decision to stand up to the insanity that is rapid reopening during corona. Thoughtful and measured, I get the feeling she always thinks before she speaks, which is in contrast to the current president, and to an extent Biden himself. But, at the same time, I feel like she would be wasted as Vice President. She's not that widely known and I don't think she has the experience to paint herself as a President-in-waiting. I could see her becoming a national political figure at some stage, but I reckon the best course, for her at least, is to run for governor in the aftermath of the pandemic.

 

Susan Rice: I have very little to say about her, as I don't know much of her, but I feel like whilst she's experienced, she has the wrong kind of experience. A foreign policy expert would be a good pick for someone who needs to build trust on foreign policy issues. That's not Biden's weakness. Biden's weakness is the fact that he seems to project an image of mental decline.

 

Stacey Abrams - No, just no. Could it BE anymore obvious how much she wants the job? I'm generally of the opinion that if you fail to get elected to a position, you should reflect on where you went wrong and wait for a while before running again. You don't act the way she has. She doesn't have the temperament to be Governor, let alone Vice President, and certainly not a President-in-waiting.

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15 minutes ago, TheMiddlePolitical said:

Choosing a former police chief would instantly sway away progressives in these times

Sadly we have reached the time in which the police is not viewed favorable anymore. I liked it when good officer have been appreciated for the commitment for the whole community. Sure, there are bad and corrupt cops, but on the whole I think we should be thankful for their service and respect them.

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On ‎6‎/‎20‎/‎2020 at 9:38 AM, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Sadly we have reached the time in which the police is not viewed favorable anymore. I liked it when good officer have been appreciated for the commitment for the whole community. Sure, there are bad and corrupt cops, but on the whole I think we should be thankful for their service and respect them.

Okay, is your grammar just a bit erroneous, or did just say we should be thankful for the service of bad and corrupt cops and respect them, or was that thanks and respects asked of the very principle of policing? I know English is not your first language, and you're probably even more fluent in Korean than English, and sometimes your grammar makes for strange-sounding statements, so I must ask to clarify.

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15 hours ago, Patine said:

Okay, is your grammar just a bit erroneous, or did just say we should be thankful for the service of bad and corrupt cops and respect them, or was that thanks and respects asked of the very principle of policing?

It is meant to say that should be thankful for the good people's service. Of course the bad and corrupt cops are not included.

15 hours ago, Patine said:

and you're probably even more fluent in Korean than English

Absolutely not! I'm learning English since nearly 15 years and I am watching American TV (CNN) or reading texts daily, so I guess I am better in English. I have started to learn Korean like 4 years ago.

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I can't believe how the Democrats have two cops as leading VP choice. One who has a history of abuse as Prosecutor and another who oversaw a Brutal Police Department. 

Dems seems bent on losing. 

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1 hour ago, CentristGuy said:

I can't believe how the Democrats have two cops as leading VP choice. One who has a history of abuse as Prosecutor and another who oversaw a Brutal Police Department. 

Dems seems bent on losing. 

It is odd, but they're trying to defuse Trump's Law & Order platform. 

Trump is also spinning that Democrats want to defund the police---only about 25% of Americans want to defund the police. However, about 40% of Americans have a negative view of cops at the moment (I don't recall which poll these were from, but they were recent. If I'm off on the %, I'm off by 5%.). Democrats are probably the bulk of these %, however. 

Basically, it's a winning strategy only if Trump's Law & Order push is working. Unfortunately, Biden will have to pick the VP way before we will know if it is.  I'd prefer Elizabeth Warren as VP---someone progressive and not a cop. Maybe someone like Tlaib will be a surprise VP

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12 hours ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

I learning English

Well..., and a common problem of mine is that I forget to type words because I think faster than I type. This also happens to me in German and makes me sometimes sound like a foreigner in a written text. I don't always have the time to proofread each post.

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2 hours ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Well..., and a common problem of mine is that I forget to type words because I think faster than I type. This also happens to me in German and makes me sometimes sound like a foreigner in a written text. I don't always have the time to proofread each post.

Same here.

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