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Why is there less of a fuss about Bernie having a literal heart attack when the most significant thing he did in office was rename a post office compared to Hillary having pneumonia after serving in some of the most dedicated and stressful positions in the US public service. Media's biased towards Bernie.

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Just now, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Why is there less of a fuss about Bernie having a literal heart attack when the most significant thing he did in office was rename a post office compared to Hillary having pneumonia after serving in some of the most dedicated and stressful positions in the US public service. Media's biased towards Bernie.

You're an idiot if you think the most significant thing Sanders has done is renaming a post office. And the media is quite obviously biased against Sanders. He's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in literally every poll yet they're treating it like it's a two-person race. Just another idiotic statement from an idiot...

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Just now, jnewt said:

You're an idiot if you think the most significant thing Sanders has done is renaming a post office. And the media is quite obviously biased against Sanders. He's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in literally every poll yet they're treating it like it's a two-person race. Just another idiotic statement from an idiot...

Tell me what Bernie's most significant bill he's ever personally sponsored was. I've never seen him above Biden or Warren and as far as I'm concerned the small chance he did have is now gone.

Back to the basement for Bernie supporters.

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2 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Tell me what Bernie's most significant bill he's ever personally sponsored was. I've never seen him above Biden or Warren and as far as I'm concerned the small chance he did have is now gone.

Back to the basement for Bernie supporters.

You are an idiot. You can easily look up all the bills he's proposed. I'm not going to hold your hand through this because you're literally too stupid to use google.

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14 minutes ago, jnewt said:

You are an idiot. You can easily look up all the bills he's proposed. I'm not going to hold your hand through this because you're literally too stupid to use google.

Lol

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Just now, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Lol

The greatest service you, yourself, can do for your country right now is to cease to be a part of your country, and cease to speak on, or about, your country, EVER again!

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28 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Tell me what Bernie's most significant bill he's ever personally sponsored was. I've never seen him above Biden or Warren and as far as I'm concerned the small chance he did have is now gone.

Back to the basement for Bernie supporters.

How about being the first person to use the War Powers Act in years? Back to the basement meme lord... some of us are trying to have serious and substantiv discussions.

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Using Mayhew's method of determining Congressional actions, Sanders has 9 actions, which is a lot more than most people have in a Congressional career. However, I wouldn't waste time arguing with @ThePotatoWalrus, @Patine @jnewt, @Dr. Insano. He doesn't even know what he knows or what he doesn't know. He still needs people to do the thinking for him. 

Sanders, Bernie   S D VT 2020 2020 9 Dem Pres Cand
Sanders, Bernie   S I VT 2018 2018 8 Leads effort to invoke War Resolution to stop support of Saudi war in Yemen
Sanders, Bernie   S I VT 2017 2017 7 Takes lead in calling for Universal Single-Payer Healthcare on Senate floor
Sanders, Bernie   S I VT 2017 2017 6 Leads push for $15 min wage
Sanders, Bernie   S D VT 2016 2016 5 Crucial endorsement of Clinton's nomination fails to convince a quarter of his supporters.
Sanders, Bernie   S D VT 2016 2016 4 Dem Pres Cand
Sanders, Bernie   H I VT 2002 2002 3 Voted against Iraq War resolution
Sanders, Bernie   H I VT 2001 2001 2 Votes against the Patriot Act
Sanders, Bernie 102 H I VT 1991 1991 1 Voted against Iraq War resolution

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21 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Using Mayhew's method of determining Congressional actions, Sanders has 9 actions, which is a lot more than most people have in a Congressional career. However, I wouldn't waste time arguing with @ThePotatoWalrus, @Patine @jnewt, @Dr. Insano. He doesn't even know what he knows or what he doesn't know. He still needs people to do the thinking for him. 

 

Sanders, Bernie   S D VT 2020 2020 9 Dem Pres Cand
Sanders, Bernie   S I VT 2018 2018 8 Leads effort to invoke War Resolution to stop support of Saudi war in Yemen
Sanders, Bernie   S I VT 2017 2017 7 Takes lead in calling for Universal Single-Payer Healthcare on Senate floor
Sanders, Bernie   S I VT 2017 2017 6 Leads push for $15 min wage
Sanders, Bernie   S D VT 2016 2016 5 Crucial endorsement of Clinton's nomination fails to convince a quarter of his supporters.
Sanders, Bernie   S D VT 2016 2016 4 Dem Pres Cand
Sanders, Bernie   H I VT 2002 2002 3 Voted against Iraq War resolution
Sanders, Bernie   H I VT 2001 2001 2 Votes against the Patriot Act
Sanders, Bernie 102 H I VT 1991 1991 1 Voted against Iraq War resolution

You could also add the bill he wrote with John McCain for veterans. It gave more funding for the VA hospitals.

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1 minute ago, Dr. Insano said:

You could also add the bill he wrote with John McCain for veterans. It gave more funding for the VA hospitals.

I'll have to look it up. Actions are supposed to be things that are at least quasi-autonomous and at least potentially consequential. I'm not sure if the bill will count as such unless the bill is named after both of them or if the bill wouldn't have passed without the bipartisan initiative. Also, considering I didn't even see this bill when researching Sanders or McCain, might signal that it isn't that consequential. 

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For Bernie, who will soon be back on campaign trail stronger than ever! 

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14 hours ago, jnewt said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/bernie-sanders-hospital.html

So it turns out Sanders actually had a heart attack...

We knew this, virtually anyone of this age who undergoes this procedure had a heart attack.

14 hours ago, jnewt said:

You're an idiot if you think the most significant thing Sanders has done is renaming a post office. And the media is quite obviously biased against Sanders. He's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in literally every poll yet they're treating it like it's a two-person race. Just another idiotic statement from an idiot...

Well, he's 3rd in every poll really. And I expect him to lose more ground now.

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25 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

We knew this, virtually anyone of this age who undergoes this procedure had a heart attack.

Well, he's 3rd in every poll really. And I expect him to lose more ground now.

I don't think he moves beyond 2nd or 3rd so long as Warren is in the race. He did out fundraise Warren and Biden for the 3rd quarter. Biden was a very distant 3rd. I think Sanders and Warren might be about equal in fundraising as all the more moderate Democrats combined, which is telling. However, Trump fundraised more than all Democrats combined...

As I've said before, Sanders is my favorite politician, but I hope he isn't the nominee. I'm uncertain he can win some key states and he's too old. One you have a heart attack--especially when you're old--the chance for another one increases. He's at the age that my dad had his fatal heart attack. I think Sanders is more valuable in the Senate, since he won't be able to do anything he wants to do as president without a majority of Social Democrats in the Congress. 

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16 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I don't think he moves beyond 2nd or 3rd so long as Warren is in the race. He did out fundraise Warren and Biden for the 3rd quarter. Biden was a very distant 3rd. I think Sanders and Warren might be about equal in fundraising as all the more moderate Democrats combined, which is telling. However, Trump fundraised more than all Democrats combined...

As I've said before, Sanders is my favorite politician, but I hope he isn't the nominee. I'm uncertain he can win some key states and he's too old. One you have a heart attack--especially when you're old--the chance for another one increases. He's at the age that my dad had his fatal heart attack. I think Sanders is more valuable in the Senate, since he won't be able to do anything he wants to do as president without a majority of Social Democrats in the Congress. 

Are you sure about that? I have been told by a fair amount of former Trump supporters here in Ohio that they will happily vote for Sanders, but they're less likely to support Warren or Biden. Also to the point about Trump raising much more, that mostly has to do with the incumbency and the fact that he's a hypocrite in initially sang he was against big money interests. The media is going to spin this in the way that it was a near fatal heart attack, I think a lot of it depends on how well Sanders carries himself after this. Joe Biden had an aneurysm while serving in the Senate and obviously he was fine enough to serve as vice president under Obama. 

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Just now, Dr. Insano said:

Are you sure about that? I have been told by a fair amount of former Trump supporters here in Ohio that they will happily vote for Sanders, but they're less likely to support Warren or Biden. Also to the point about Trump raising much more, that mostly has to do with the incumbency and the fact that he's a hypocrite in initially sang he was against big money interests. The media is going to spin this in the way that it was a near fatal heart attack, I think a lot of it depends on how well Sanders carries himself after this. Joe Biden had an aneurysm while serving in the Senate and obviously he was fine enough to serve as vice president under Obama. 

Sanders is 78. Biden would have been significantly younger than that then. Health and response to poor health responds a lot differently as one ages. 

Let me be clear. I am a Sanders fan. I went to a Sanders rally this year. I shook his hand. I've donated money to him. He's still my favorite politician. I'll probably vote for him in the primary, although I may vote Warren if the election is clearly neck and neck between her and Biden. But I don't think Sanders should be the nominee. If it's Biden, Warren, or Buttigieg, I wouldn't be anxious about winning the General vs. Trump. I am anxious if it's Sanders, because I can't envision reluctant 2016 Trump supporters switching over to vote for a Socialist, but I do see them voting for a non-Clinton Democrat. Maybe it's just me. This is just my opinion, and I could be wrong. If Sanders is the nominee, then I hope I am wrong.  

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26 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I don't think he moves beyond 2nd or 3rd so long as Warren is in the race. He did out fundraise Warren and Biden for the 3rd quarter. Biden was a very distant 3rd. I think Sanders and Warren might be about equal in fundraising as all the more moderate Democrats combined, which is telling. However, Trump fundraised more than all Democrats combined...

As I've said before, Sanders is my favorite politician, but I hope he isn't the nominee. I'm uncertain he can win some key states and he's too old. One you have a heart attack--especially when you're old--the chance for another one increases. He's at the age that my dad had his fatal heart attack. I think Sanders is more valuable in the Senate, since he won't be able to do anything he wants to do as president without a majority of Social Democrats in the Congress. 

First of all,a little correction Biden came in 4th in fundraising,Buttigieg was 3rd(Interesting that Top 3 fundraisers are my Top 3 candidates in exact order).Second,Bernie has more chance to beat Trump than both Biden and Warren. Bernie can appeal to Obama-Trump voters who are working class people anxious about unfettered capitalism,so i can almost guarantee he  picks up Michigan,Wisconsin and perhaps even Ohio and he can surely excite the Progressive Democrats while moderate ones will vote for him to beat Trump(as they would for anyone else,"Blue No Matter Who",remember?).So,you have a winning coalition of voters right here.

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18 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Sanders is 78. Biden would have been significantly younger than that then. Health and response to poor health responds a lot differently as one ages. 

Let me be clear. I am a Sanders fan. I went to a Sanders rally this year. I shook his hand. I've donated money to him. He's still my favorite politician. I'll probably vote for him in the primary, although I may vote Warren if the election is clearly neck and neck between her and Biden. But I don't think Sanders should be the nominee. If it's Biden, Warren, or Buttigieg, I wouldn't be anxious about winning the General vs. Trump. I am anxious if it's Sanders, because I can't envision reluctant 2016 Trump supporters switching over to vote for a Socialist, but I do see them voting for a non-Clinton Democrat. Maybe it's just me. This is just my opinion, and I could be wrong. If Sanders is the nominee, then I hope I am wrong.  

Oh by all means I didn't mean to interrogate you or anyting, I just wanted to give you a perspective from a state that voted for Obama twice and then voted for Trump by 8 points. Ohio is a very populist driven state, hence why Sherrod Brown won reelection 2 years after Trump carried the state. I think Bernie may be the only Democrat that can win back Ohio. And if he wins Ohio I think it's fairly obvious he would win Pennsylvania Wisconsin and Michigan, that with Ohio guarantees a victory. Again this is just my perspective coming from my personal opinion plus what I've heard from talking to people.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Insano said:

Oh by all means I didn't mean to interrogate you or anyting, I just wanted to give you a perspective from a state that voted for Obama twice and then voted for Trump by 8 points. Ohio is a very populist driven state, hence why Sherrod Brown won reelection 2 years after Trump carried the state. I think Bernie may be the only Democrat that can win back Ohio. And if he wins Ohio I think it's fairly obvious he would win Pennsylvania Wisconsin and Michigan, that with Ohio guarantees a victory. Again this is just my perspective coming from my personal opinion plus what I've heard from talking to people.

Sherrod Brown squeaked by with an underwhelming margin against a stuff suit generic candidate in a blue wave year. The same blue wave in which the Republicans held the Governorship even when their guy was term limited. DeWine/Husted was a super conservative ticket.

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42 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Sherrod Brown squeaked by with an underwhelming margin against a stuff suit generic candidate in a blue wave year. The same blue wave in which the Republicans held the Governorship even when their guy was term limited. DeWine/Husted was a super conservative ticket.

I think if anything Cordray turned a lot of people off if anything. I believe the candidate against him was a Trump backed congressman out of Wadsworth. Again Ohio is a strange state.

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3 hours ago, vcczar said:

Sanders is 78. Biden would have been significantly younger than that then. Health and response to poor health responds a lot differently as one ages. 

Let me be clear. I am a Sanders fan. I went to a Sanders rally this year. I shook his hand. I've donated money to him. He's still my favorite politician. I'll probably vote for him in the primary, although I may vote Warren if the election is clearly neck and neck between her and Biden. But I don't think Sanders should be the nominee. If it's Biden, Warren, or Buttigieg, I wouldn't be anxious about winning the General vs. Trump. I am anxious if it's Sanders, because I can't envision reluctant 2016 Trump supporters switching over to vote for a Socialist, but I do see them voting for a non-Clinton Democrat. Maybe it's just me. This is just my opinion, and I could be wrong. If Sanders is the nominee, then I hope I am wrong.  

Please, Social Democrat. He's not Eugene Debs. He's far closer to the New Democratic Party in Canada, the various such parties in Scandinavia (whose names vary by Scandinavian country, and a few of them have schism parties of significance), the pre-"New Labour," Labour Party of the United Kingdom, and the older Social Democratic Parties of Germany and Austria, which all adhere (or adhered) to the Social Democratic ideal. There are NO significant, or visible on the radar, Socialists or Communists running, or in elected positions outside a few big council seats anywhere in the United States, today - despite uninformed right-wing pundit mudslinging.

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12 hours ago, Rodja said:

For Bernie, who will soon be back on campaign trail stronger than ever! 

Friedrich Nietzche (sp) was the man who coined the term this song is built around, just to be clear.

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13 minutes ago, Dr. Insano said:

I think if anything Cordray turned a lot of people off if anything. I believe the candidate against him was a Trump backed congressman out of Wadsworth. Again Ohio is a strange state.

Yeah that was his major competition, Congressman named Jim Renacci. He was basically a rubber stamp Republican, candidates of that caliber lost huge across the Midwest. He was a lot like Lou Barletta who was the GOP nominee in PA who lost by a huge margin to the incumbent. The fact that Renacci didn't suffer the same fate speaks to Ohio's reddening hue.

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