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Who Should Have Been President?

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  1. 1. Which of the following candidates/potential candidates do you wish had been president during their political lifetimes? Check all that apply.

    • John Jay
    • Henry Clay
    • Robert F. Kennedy
    • Ted Kennedy
    • Barry Goldwater
    • Ron Paul
    • Dennis Kucinich
    • Ted Cruz
    • Bernie Sanders
    • Hillary Clinton
    • William H. Seward
    • Robert La Follette
    • Strom Thurmond
      0
    • Henry A. Wallace
    • Eugene V. Debs
    • Thomas E. Dewey
    • Nelson Rockefeller
    • John McCain
    • Mitt Romney
    • No one on this list
      0
  2. 2. Continued...

    • Jesse Jackson
    • Robert Taft
    • Estes Kefauver
    • Aaron Burr
    • Alexander Hamilton
    • Dewitt Clinton
    • John C. Calhoun
    • Daniel Webster
    • Winfield Scott
    • John C Fremont
    • George McClellan
      0
    • Samuel J Tilden
    • James G Blaine
    • Charles Evans Hughes
    • Huey P Long
    • Chris Christie
    • Rand Paul
    • Jeb Bush
    • Marco Rubio
    • None on this list
  3. 3. Continued

    • William Jennings Bryan
    • Al Smith
    • Wendell Wilkie
    • Adlai Stevenson II
    • Eugene McCarthy
    • Hubert Humphrey
    • Barbara Jordan
    • George McGovern
    • Pat Robertson
    • Pat Buchanan
    • David Duke
      0
    • Vermin Supreme
    • Dan Quayle
    • Sarah Palin
    • Bob Dole
    • Ross Perot
    • Al Gore
    • John Kerry
    • Michele Bachmann
    • None from this list


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19 minutes ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

To avoid confusion I tend to call the Louisiana Senator always John Neely Kennedy and the President John F. Kennedy or JFK. When I first heard of Jack Kennedy I didn't know they talked about JFK. This was confusing.

I've never heard of this Louisiana Senator. I'm not sure if he's prominent enough in discussion at the level of Presidential politics with a several-generational and some non-American (and non-American history minutia) crowd here to make such a distinction so clearly.

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21 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Much more so. Trump might not have the best policies but he's a better person than any Kennedy that I know of.

Ha. That’s funny that you think so. 

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35 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Much more so. Trump might not have the best policies but he's a better person than any Kennedy that I know of.

They're all bad people. Not sure there's many (if any) ways that Trump is a better person than ALL of the Kennedys, though.

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21 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Ha. That’s funny that you think so. 

The only thing I like about Trump is his aversion in general to hawkishness and arbitrary military intervention. He's the least hawkish U.S. President in action (election campaign rhetoric of all them, aside) since Herbert Hoover. So, I have found a good thing about him.

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

The only thing I like about Trump is his aversion in general to hawkishness and arbitrary military intervention. He's the least hawkish U.S. President in action (election campaign rhetoric of all them, aside) since Herbert Hoover. So, I have found a good thing about him.

Coolidge wasn't Hawkish either, more so than Hoover, I'd argue.

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5 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Coolidge wasn't Hawkish either, more so than Hoover, I'd argue.

But Coolidge was before Hoover. I said Trump was "the least hawkish U.S. President in action (election campaign rhetoric of all them, aside)  SINCE Herbert Hoover."

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Just now, Patine said:

But Coolidge was before Hoover. I said Trump was "the least hawkish U.S. President in action (election campaign rhetoric of all them, aside)  SINCE Herbert Hoover."

Exactly, so you could say SINCE Coolidge, lol.

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36 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Exactly, so you could say SINCE Coolidge, lol.

Coolidge is irrelevant. He's saying Trump is the least hawkish since Hoover. As in, Hoover is the last President who is less hawkish than Trump.

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3 minutes ago, jnewt said:

Coolidge is irrelevant. He's saying Trump is the least hawkish since Hoover. As in, Hoover is the last President who is less hawkish than Trump.

I get it now i'm retarded

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3 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

 

John Kennedy has never been President lol

Bamboozled again boys 

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@vcczar In your personal opinion, and vast knowledge of U.S. history and politics, how do you feel, if he hadn't been entrenched in stone in his attitude of NEVER wanting to be U.S. President and his firm avoidance of even the possibility, or had actually been talked into it against his better judgement, Robert Todd Lincoln would have done as President under the context of the elections he was touted for?

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7 minutes ago, Patine said:

@vcczar In your personal opinion, and vast knowledge of U.S. history and politics, how do you feel, if he hadn't been entrenched in stone in his attitude of NEVER wanting to be U.S. President and his firm avoidance of even the possibility, or had actually been talked into it against his better judgement, Robert Todd Lincoln would have done as President under the context of the elections he was touted for?

I think he would have been a poor man's Taft. In a peaceful time, he would have been a symbol of integrity, allowing Congress to lead the nation. He would have upset progressives in his party. He might have made a little more effort on Civil Rights just to flex his father's legacy. I think he would have been out of his league in more troubling times. He wasn't stupid, but he was neither his father nor an executive personality. He was more of a decent diplomat, and a passable cabinet officer. He unlikely would have even been in politics if not for his father. He was more successful as a corporate lawyer and as a businessman. 

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5 hours ago, Patine said:

The only thing I like about Trump is his aversion in general to hawkishness and arbitrary military intervention. He's the least hawkish U.S. President in action (election campaign rhetoric of all them, aside) since Herbert Hoover. So, I have found a good thing about him.

Jimmy Carter was fairly dovish for a post-World War II president.  And he certainly helped establish a lasting peace between Israel and Egypt. In my view Carter is a bit underrated.

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17 minutes ago, darkmoon72 said:

Jimmy Carter was fairly dovish for a post-World War II president.  And he certainly helped establish a lasting peace between Israel and Egypt. In my view Carter is a bit underrated.

I think he’s underrated too but I do agree with those that think he hasn’t the executive style for presidency. He had both houses of Congress and feuded with them so much that they opposed him. He had a lot of disharmony in his cabinet. Things were sluggish because he’d micromanage everything. He also wasn’t inspiring as president despite being inspiring as a 1976 candidate. The malaise speech upset Americans more than it inspired them. It came off as shame rather than common sense advice. I think his 2nd term might have been much better had he won another term. He was bogged down in an economic situation that was already there when he took office. He was sort of in the same situation Martin Van Buren was in. 

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@darkmoon72 and I should add that Carter was best as president when it was something that didn’t involve Congress. 

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6 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I think he’s underrated too but I do agree with those that think he hasn’t the executive style for presidency. He had both houses of Congress and feuded with them so much that they opposed him. He had a lot of disharmony in his cabinet. Things were sluggish because he’d micromanage everything. He also wasn’t inspiring as president despite being inspiring as a 1976 candidate. The malaise speech upset Americans more than it inspired them. It came off as shame rather than common sense advice. I think his 2nd term might have been much better had he won another term. He was bogged down in an economic situation that was already there when he took office. He was sort of in the same situation Martin Van Buren was in. 

 

5 minutes ago, vcczar said:

@darkmoon72 and I should add that Carter was best as president when it was something that didn’t involve Congress. 

I agree with all these points, hence why I made sure to qualify my statement by saying he was "a bit" underrated.  I'll even go so far as to say that Carter would never have been elected if not for Watergate, still fresh on everyone's minds.  A southern-accented former Georgia governor with no ties to Washington, who often referred to the Bible, taught Sunday school and promised never to lie seemed like a breath of fresh air back in 1976.  Even then, he almost blew the election, once holding a 33-point lead over Ford that was whittled down to a 2-point squeaker on Election Day.

Another point I feel should be made is that Carter doesn't get enough credit for his role in resolving both the inflation and Iran hostage crises - appointing Paul Volcker as Fed chair in 1979 and negotiating to get the hostages released after his 1980 election defeat were both commendable moves, although since these issues lingered until Reagan took office (in the latter case, the hostages were released just minutes after Reagan took the inaugural oath), people wrongly assume the Reagan administration solved them.

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3 minutes ago, darkmoon72 said:

 

I agree with all these points, hence why I made sure to qualify my statement by saying he was "a bit" underrated.  I'll even go so far as to say that Carter would never have been elected if not for Watergate, still fresh on everyone's minds.  A southern-accented former Georgia governor with no ties to Washington, who often referred to the Bible, taught Sunday school and promised never to lie seemed like a breath of fresh air back in 1976.  Even then, he almost blew the election, once holding a 33-point lead over Ford that was whittled down to a 2-point squeaker on Election Day.

Another point I feel should be made is that Carter doesn't get enough credit for his role in resolving both the inflation and Iran hostage crises - appointing Paul Volcker as Fed chair in 1979 and negotiating to get the hostages released after his 1980 election defeat were both commendable moves, although since these issues lingered until Reagan took office (in the latter case, the hostages were released just minutes after Reagan took the inaugural oath), people wrongly assume the Reagan administration solved them.

Good points. I think 1976 president would have either been Mo Udall, Ed Muskie, Walter Mondale, or Ted Kennedy had Nixon never been impeach and avoided major scandal in his 2nd term. That is presuming no Republican 3rd term. 

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10 minutes ago, vcczar said:

That is presuming no Republican 3rd term. 

"Vote for the Hatchetman for President in '76?"

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17 minutes ago, Patine said:

"Vote for the Hatchetman for President in '76?"

It wouldn't be a Nixon 3rd term. It would be Ford vs. Reagan even in this scenario, most likely. 

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A Preferred Alternative Presidential History (Not perfect since I've tried to keep some realism, essentially countermanding my preferred Presidents with a balancing force)

  1. George Washington (I-VA) 1789-1797
    • John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1797
  2. John Jay (F-NY) 1797-1805
    • John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1801
    • Fisher Ames (F-MA) 1801-1805
  3. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA) 1805-1809
    • Aaron Burr (DR-NY) 1805-1809
  4. Aaron Burr (DR-NY) 1808-1813
    • James Monroe (DR-VA) 1809-1813
  5. Alexander Hamilton (F-NY) 1813-1825
    • Charles C. Pinckney (F-SC) 1813-1821
    • Jared Ingersoll (F-PA) 1821-1822
    • Vacant 1822-1825
  6. Andrew Jackson (D-TN) 1825-1833
    • Smith Thompson (D-NY) 1825-1833
  7. Daniel Webster (F-MA) 1833-1837
    • William Henry Harrison (W-VA) 1833-1837
  8. John C. Calhoun (D-SC) 1837-1841
    • Martin Van Buren (D-NY) 1837-1841
  9. Henry Clay (F-KY) 1841-1853
    • Winfield Scott (W-NY) 1841-1845
    • John Quincy Adams (R-MA) 1845-1853
  10. Stephen A. Douglas (W-IL) 1853-1857
    • Herschel V. Johnson (D-GA) 1853-1857
  11. John C. Fremont (R-CA) 1857-1865
    • John McLean (R-OH) 1857-1861
    • Ben Wade (R-OH) 1861-1865
  12. William H. Seward (R-NY) 1865-1871
    • Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) 1865-1868
    • Vacant (1868-1869)
    • Ben Wade (R-OH) 1869-1871
  13. Ben Wade (R-OH) 1871-1873
    • Vacant (1871-1873)
  14. Samuel J. Tilden (D-NJ) 1873-1877
    • Horatio Seymour (D-NY) 1873-1877
  15. Oliver P. Morton (R-IN) 1877-1881
    • Frederick Douglass (R-DC) 1877-1881
  16. Thomas Bayard (D-DE) 1881-1885
    • Winfield Scott Hancock (D-PA) 1881-1885
  17. James Garfield (R-OH) 1885-1893
    • Blanche K. Bruce (R-MS) 1885-1893
  18. Grover Cleveland (D-NY) 1893-1901
    • Joseph C. Blackburn (D-KY) 1893-1897
    • William Jennings Bryan (D-NE) 1897-1901
  19. William McKinley (R-OH) 1901
    • Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) 1901
  20. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) 1901-1917
    • Mark Hanna (C-OH) 1901-1905
    • Elihu Root (R-NY) 1905-1917
  21. Elihu Root (R-NY) 1917-1921
    • Calvin Coolidge (C-MA) 1917-1921
  22. Al Smith (L-NY) 1921-1929
    • Robert LaFollette (P-WI) 1921-1929
  23. Calvin Coolidge (C-MA) 1929-1937
    • Herbert Hoover (R-CA) 1929-1933
    • John Nance "Cactus Jack" Garner (C-TX) 1933-1937 
  24. Cordell Hull (L-TN) 1937-1941
    • Henry A. Wallace (P-IA) 1937-1941
  25. Robert Taft (C-OH) 1941-1949
    • Thomas Dewey (R-NY) 1941-1949
  26. Henry A. Wallace (P-IA) 1949-1953
    • Harold Stassen (L-MN) 1949-1953
  27. Dwight Eisenhower (R-KS) 1953-1957
    • Estes Kefauver (L-TN) 1953-1957
  28. John F. Kennedy (L-MA) 1957-1961
    • Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA) 1957-1961
  29. Barry Goldwater (C-AZ) 1961-1969
    • Richard Nixon (R-CA) 1961-1969
  30. Scoop Jackson (L-WA) 1969-1973
    • Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) 1969-1973
  31. Ronald Reagan (C-CA) 1973-1989
    • Phyllis Schlafly (C-MO) 1973-1977
    • John B. Anderson (R-IL) 1977-1981
    • George H. W. Bush (R-TX) 1981-1985
    • Ron Paul (C-TX) 1985-1989
  32. Bill Clinton (L-AR) 1989-1993
    • Al Gore (L-TN) 1989-1993
  33. Bob Dole (R-KS) 1993-2001
    • Phil Crane (C-IL) 1993-2001
  34. Hillary Clinton (L-NY) 2001-2009
    • Joe Biden (L-DE) 2001-2009
  35. Rand Paul (C-TX) 2009-2013
    • Mitt Romney (R-MA) 2009-2013
  36. Carly Fiorina (R-CA) 2013-2021
    • Ted Cruz (C-TX) 2013-2021
  37. Tim Scott (C-SC) 2021-
    • Justin Amash (C-MI) 2021-

@vcczar

A few notes about this alternate history that I haphazardly threw together:
 

America exists as a 4 party coalition system for most of it's history, these parties change over time. Federalists come to take up the Northern Whigs and Northern Democrats as we know them today, they are largely defined by Hamilton remaining alive. Whigs are the Southern Whigs of our timeline as well as Moderate Northern Democrats. Democrats are more exclusively racist and Southern, however after Harsh Reconstruction they split. The Federalists merges into the GOP in the 1860s while the Whigs essentially limp into the Democrats, a party on life support. By 1900, the Democrats are bursting at the seems and upon the assassination of McKinley, so is the GOP. The Liberals and Progressives come out of the Democrats. While the Constitutionalists splinter off with some Conservative Northern Democrats along with a large chunk of the GOP to create their own party, leaving the Republicans much more moderate. The Progressives eventually taper off leaving the Liberals in the center-left, the Republicans in the center-right, and Constitution Party in Right to Far-Right position.

Again, just a prefered American history from my standpoint, it's an interesting alternative Right-Wing America.

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3 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

A Preferred Alternative Presidential History (Not perfect since I've tried to keep some realism, essentially countermanding my preferred Presidents with a balancing force)

  1. George Washington (I-VA) 1789-1797
    • John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1797
  2. John Jay (F-NY) 1797-1805
    • John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1801
    • Fisher Ames (F-MA) 1801-1805
  3. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA) 1805-1809
    • Aaron Burr (DR-NY) 1805-1809
  4. Aaron Burr (DR-NY) 1808-1813
    • James Monroe (DR-VA) 1809-1813
  5. Alexander Hamilton (F-NY) 1813-1825
    • Charles C. Pinckney (F-SC) 1813-1821
    • Jared Ingersoll (F-PA) 1821-1822
    • Vacant 1822-1825
  6. Andrew Jackson (D-TN) 1825-1833
    • Smith Thompson (D-NY) 1825-1833
  7. Daniel Webster (F-MA) 1833-1837
    • William Henry Harrison (W-VA) 1833-1837
  8. John C. Calhoun (D-SC) 1837-1841
    • Martin Van Buren (D-NY) 1837-1841
  9. Henry Clay (F-KY) 1841-1853
    • Winfield Scott (W-NY) 1841-1845
    • John Quincy Adams (R-MA) 1845-1853
  10. Stephen A. Douglas (W-IL) 1853-1857
    • Herschel V. Johnson (D-GA) 1853-1857
  11. John C. Fremont (R-CA) 1857-1865
    • John McLean (R-OH) 1857-1861
    • Ben Wade (R-OH) 1861-1865
  12. William H. Seward (R-NY) 1865-1871
    • Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) 1865-1868
    • Vacant (1868-1869)
    • Ben Wade (R-OH) 1869-1871
  13. Ben Wade (R-OH) 1871-1873
    • Vacant (1871-1873)
  14. Samuel J. Tilden (D-NJ) 1873-1877
    • Horatio Seymour (D-NY) 1873-1877
  15. Oliver P. Morton (R-IN) 1877-1881
    • Frederick Douglass (R-DC) 1877-1881
  16. Thomas Bayard (D-DE) 1881-1885
    • Winfield Scott Hancock (D-PA) 1881-1885
  17. James Garfield (R-OH) 1885-1893
    • Blanche K. Bruce (R-MS) 1885-1893
  18. Grover Cleveland (D-NY) 1893-1901
    • Joseph C. Blackburn (D-KY) 1893-1897
    • William Jennings Bryan (D-NE) 1897-1901
  19. William McKinley (R-OH) 1901
    • Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) 1901
  20. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) 1901-1917
    • Mark Hanna (C-OH) 1901-1905
    • Elihu Root (R-NY) 1905-1917
  21. Elihu Root (R-NY) 1917-1921
    • Calvin Coolidge (C-MA) 1917-1921
  22. Al Smith (L-NY) 1921-1929
    • Robert LaFollette (P-WI) 1921-1929
  23. Calvin Coolidge (C-MA) 1929-1937
    • Herbert Hoover (R-CA) 1929-1933
    • John Nance "Cactus Jack" Garner (C-TX) 1933-1937 
  24. Cordell Hull (L-TN) 1937-1941
    • Henry A. Wallace (P-IA) 1937-1941
  25. Robert Taft (C-OH) 1941-1949
    • Thomas Dewey (R-NY) 1941-1949
  26. Henry A. Wallace (P-IA) 1949-1953
    • Harold Stassen (L-MN) 1949-1953
  27. Dwight Eisenhower (R-KS) 1953-1957
    • Estes Kefauver (L-TN) 1953-1957
  28. John F. Kennedy (L-MA) 1957-1961
    • Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA) 1957-1961
  29. Barry Goldwater (C-AZ) 1961-1969
    • Richard Nixon (R-CA) 1961-1969
  30. Scoop Jackson (L-WA) 1969-1973
    • Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) 1969-1973
  31. Ronald Reagan (C-CA) 1973-1989
    • Phyllis Schlafly (C-MO) 1973-1977
    • John B. Anderson (R-IL) 1977-1981
    • George H. W. Bush (R-TX) 1981-1985
    • Ron Paul (C-TX) 1985-1989
  32. Bill Clinton (L-AR) 1989-1993
    • Al Gore (L-TN) 1989-1993
  33. Bob Dole (R-KS) 1993-2001
    • Phil Crane (C-IL) 1993-2001
  34. Hillary Clinton (L-NY) 2001-2009
    • Joe Biden (L-DE) 2001-2009
  35. Rand Paul (C-TX) 2009-2013
    • Mitt Romney (R-MA) 2009-2013
  36. Carly Fiorina (R-CA) 2013-2021
    • Ted Cruz (C-TX) 2013-2021
  37. Tim Scott (C-SC) 2021-
    • Justin Amash (C-MI) 2021-

@vcczar

A few notes about this alternate history that I haphazardly threw together:
 

America exists as a 4 party coalition system for most of it's history, these parties change over time. Federalists come to take up the Northern Whigs and Northern Democrats as we know them today, they are largely defined by Hamilton remaining alive. Whigs are the Southern Whigs of our timeline as well as Moderate Northern Democrats. Democrats are more exclusively racist and Southern, however after Harsh Reconstruction they split. The Federalists merges into the GOP in the 1860s while the Whigs essentially limp into the Democrats, a party on life support. By 1900, the Democrats are bursting at the seems and upon the assassination of McKinley, so is the GOP. The Liberals and Progressives come out of the Democrats. While the Constitutionalists splinter off with some Conservative Northern Democrats along with a large chunk of the GOP to create their own party, leaving the Republicans much more moderate. The Progressives eventually taper off leaving the Liberals in the center-left, the Republicans in the center-right, and Constitution Party in Right to Far-Right position.

Again, just a prefered American history from my standpoint, it's an interesting alternative Right-Wing America.

Very interesting. I’ll try and come up with one later. I wonder what Lincoln and FDR would have done in this timeline. 

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2 hours ago, vcczar said:

Very interesting. I’ll try and come up with one later. I wonder what Lincoln and FDR would have done in this timeline. 

 

2 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

A Preferred Alternative Presidential History (Not perfect since I've tried to keep some realism, essentially countermanding my preferred Presidents with a balancing force)

  1. George Washington (I-VA) 1789-1797
    • John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1797
  2. John Jay (F-NY) 1797-1805
    • John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1801
    • Fisher Ames (F-MA) 1801-1805
  3. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA) 1805-1809
    • Aaron Burr (DR-NY) 1805-1809
  4. Aaron Burr (DR-NY) 1808-1813
    • James Monroe (DR-VA) 1809-1813
  5. Alexander Hamilton (F-NY) 1813-1825
    • Charles C. Pinckney (F-SC) 1813-1821
    • Jared Ingersoll (F-PA) 1821-1822
    • Vacant 1822-1825
  6. Andrew Jackson (D-TN) 1825-1833
    • Smith Thompson (D-NY) 1825-1833
  7. Daniel Webster (F-MA) 1833-1837
    • William Henry Harrison (W-VA) 1833-1837
  8. John C. Calhoun (D-SC) 1837-1841
    • Martin Van Buren (D-NY) 1837-1841
  9. Henry Clay (F-KY) 1841-1853
    • Winfield Scott (W-NY) 1841-1845
    • John Quincy Adams (R-MA) 1845-1853
  10. Stephen A. Douglas (W-IL) 1853-1857
    • Herschel V. Johnson (D-GA) 1853-1857
  11. John C. Fremont (R-CA) 1857-1865
    • John McLean (R-OH) 1857-1861
    • Ben Wade (R-OH) 1861-1865
  12. William H. Seward (R-NY) 1865-1871
    • Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) 1865-1868
    • Vacant (1868-1869)
    • Ben Wade (R-OH) 1869-1871
  13. Ben Wade (R-OH) 1871-1873
    • Vacant (1871-1873)
  14. Samuel J. Tilden (D-NJ) 1873-1877
    • Horatio Seymour (D-NY) 1873-1877
  15. Oliver P. Morton (R-IN) 1877-1881
    • Frederick Douglass (R-DC) 1877-1881
  16. Thomas Bayard (D-DE) 1881-1885
    • Winfield Scott Hancock (D-PA) 1881-1885
  17. James Garfield (R-OH) 1885-1893
    • Blanche K. Bruce (R-MS) 1885-1893
  18. Grover Cleveland (D-NY) 1893-1901
    • Joseph C. Blackburn (D-KY) 1893-1897
    • William Jennings Bryan (D-NE) 1897-1901
  19. William McKinley (R-OH) 1901
    • Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) 1901
  20. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) 1901-1917
    • Mark Hanna (C-OH) 1901-1905
    • Elihu Root (R-NY) 1905-1917
  21. Elihu Root (R-NY) 1917-1921
    • Calvin Coolidge (C-MA) 1917-1921
  22. Al Smith (L-NY) 1921-1929
    • Robert LaFollette (P-WI) 1921-1929
  23. Calvin Coolidge (C-MA) 1929-1937
    • Herbert Hoover (R-CA) 1929-1933
    • John Nance "Cactus Jack" Garner (C-TX) 1933-1937 
  24. Cordell Hull (L-TN) 1937-1941
    • Henry A. Wallace (P-IA) 1937-1941
  25. Robert Taft (C-OH) 1941-1949
    • Thomas Dewey (R-NY) 1941-1949
  26. Henry A. Wallace (P-IA) 1949-1953
    • Harold Stassen (L-MN) 1949-1953
  27. Dwight Eisenhower (R-KS) 1953-1957
    • Estes Kefauver (L-TN) 1953-1957
  28. John F. Kennedy (L-MA) 1957-1961
    • Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA) 1957-1961
  29. Barry Goldwater (C-AZ) 1961-1969
    • Richard Nixon (R-CA) 1961-1969
  30. Scoop Jackson (L-WA) 1969-1973
    • Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) 1969-1973
  31. Ronald Reagan (C-CA) 1973-1989
    • Phyllis Schlafly (C-MO) 1973-1977
    • John B. Anderson (R-IL) 1977-1981
    • George H. W. Bush (R-TX) 1981-1985
    • Ron Paul (C-TX) 1985-1989
  32. Bill Clinton (L-AR) 1989-1993
    • Al Gore (L-TN) 1989-1993
  33. Bob Dole (R-KS) 1993-2001
    • Phil Crane (C-IL) 1993-2001
  34. Hillary Clinton (L-NY) 2001-2009
    • Joe Biden (L-DE) 2001-2009
  35. Rand Paul (C-TX) 2009-2013
    • Mitt Romney (R-MA) 2009-2013
  36. Carly Fiorina (R-CA) 2013-2021
    • Ted Cruz (C-TX) 2013-2021
  37. Tim Scott (C-SC) 2021-
    • Justin Amash (C-MI) 2021-

@vcczar

A few notes about this alternate history that I haphazardly threw together:
 

America exists as a 4 party coalition system for most of it's history, these parties change over time. Federalists come to take up the Northern Whigs and Northern Democrats as we know them today, they are largely defined by Hamilton remaining alive. Whigs are the Southern Whigs of our timeline as well as Moderate Northern Democrats. Democrats are more exclusively racist and Southern, however after Harsh Reconstruction they split. The Federalists merges into the GOP in the 1860s while the Whigs essentially limp into the Democrats, a party on life support. By 1900, the Democrats are bursting at the seems and upon the assassination of McKinley, so is the GOP. The Liberals and Progressives come out of the Democrats. While the Constitutionalists splinter off with some Conservative Northern Democrats along with a large chunk of the GOP to create their own party, leaving the Republicans much more moderate. The Progressives eventually taper off leaving the Liberals in the center-left, the Republicans in the center-right, and Constitution Party in Right to Far-Right position.

Again, just a prefered American history from my standpoint, it's an interesting alternative Right-Wing America.

Alternate history is something I prefer not to touch or seriously speculate in depth on myself, for reasons I'm sure both of you have read my posts as to why. So I will leave this one be.

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