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2 minutes ago, vcczar said:

You don't think this would help create that? I think many non-voters don't like the major parties. It would probably help them reach the 5% needed for funding. I think the restrictions help the major parties. 

I don't suppose there's any estimated support rate for sit-at-home or vote-for-a-major-party-because-of-the-system support for each Third Party anyone's made out there, is there?

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6 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Yang beats Trump by 8 pts in NH, which is better than everyone but Biden

Ya, weird polling results.

I would put a big question mark beside any hypothetical head-to-head polls done at this point.

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21 minutes ago, vcczar said:

In regards to laws hurting whites more than blacks, this is actually often the case, but the focus is on the minorities hurt by such laws. For instance, way more whites are on welfare than blacks; yet, both parties seem to stress the part of blacks and other minorities being on welfare as a means to earn votes or excite their party base.

Ya, my sense is also that people mis-estimate how many blacks there are in the States, perhaps because of their prominence in sports, music, and other high-profile areas, so they think it's far above the actual 13%.

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25 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

@pilight

Ok, thanks for that - makes sense.

Do you think there should be any safeguards to prevent a person from voting multiple times, or someone voting who isn't eligible?

There are safeguards for that.  You have to register to vote, and the volunteers check off your name when you arrive at your assigned polling place.

 

Here in Georgia people used to be able to vote representing their spouse even after the spouse was deceased.  Jimmy Carter likes to tell the story of how he tried and failed to end the practice when he was governor, saying proudly that he limited the ability to ten years after their passing.

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43 minutes ago, pilight said:

There are safeguards for that.  You have to register to vote, and the volunteers check off your name when you arrive at your assigned polling place.

Right. I have to wonder whether requiring registration has an effect that is disproportional along racial lines, too.

How can you register online to vote in Florida?

Here's the web page.

https://registertovoteflorida.gov/home

You need

"Your Florida driver license (Florida DL) or Florida identification card (Florida ID card)"

as well as

"The last four digits of your Social Security Number"

Here's Georgia's online registration, which states

"Register to vote online using valid GA DL/ID#"

https://registertovote.sos.ga.gov/GAOLVR/welcometoga.do#no-back-button

If you can do that for registration in Florida or Georgia, how is requiring ID at the booth much more onerous?

For Michigan, you can't register online, but you can by mail. Here's the registering by mail for a bunch of states including Michigan.

https://www.eac.gov/assets/1/6/Federal_Voter_Registration_ENG.pdf

The form is pretty complex. Seems highly likely certain people will be less likely to fill it out and send it in, and I wouldn't be surprised if those differences might be similar to voting ID differences.

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1 hour ago, pilight said:

There are safeguards for that.  You have to register to vote, and the volunteers check off your name when you arrive at your assigned polling place.

I've had a heck of a time with that.  I'm originally from Pennsylvania, and my dad and I have the same first/middle/last name.  We lived in the same home for a period of time, and therefore voted at the same polling place.

I would vote in the morning.  My dad would come in the afternoon to vote, but the register would show that he voted already -- and that I had not.  This went on for years, even though I'd make a point of explaining the problem to the polling place in the morning to make sure it wouldn't screw up my dad's vote -- invariably, it would anyway.

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3 hours ago, Actinguy said:

I've had a heck of a time with that.  I'm originally from Pennsylvania, and my dad and I have the same first/middle/last name.  We lived in the same home for a period of time, and therefore voted at the same polling place.

I would vote in the morning.  My dad would come in the afternoon to vote, but the register would show that he voted already -- and that I had not.  This went on for years, even though I'd make a point of explaining the problem to the polling place in the morning to make sure it wouldn't screw up my dad's vote -- invariably, it would anyway.

"Well my name's William Pedham Moore, Same as my daddy and his daddy before,"

-Steve Earl, "Copperhead Road."

:P

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I'd be fine with voter ID if every citizen were simply issued a standard ID card free of charge. My objection is that it seems to be getting used to make it more difficult for certain citizens to vote than because there's a genuine problem of out-of-control vote fraud.

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I have family members who are poor and at this moment in time have yet been able to get a form of picture ID (Drivers license or state ID) as they can't afford the 25 dollars that it costs nor able to make their way to the DPS to get it. Average wait time can be anywhere from one to three hours just to get the ID, and that's if your'r lucky. It's not as bad in the more rural towns, but they're too far away, that making that trip really isn't advisable. 

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2 hours ago, Harris/Ernst 2020 said:

It's not as bad in the more rural towns, but they're too far away, that making that trip really isn't advisable. 

What's "not advisable?" With no more information, and on face value alone, that sounds closer to advise you might here in rural Afghanistan...

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32 minutes ago, Patine said:

What's "not advisable?" With no more information, and on face value alone, that sounds closer to advise you might here in rural Afghanistan...

I think they mean that it costs too much to make the drive.

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