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If you like Andrew Yang, then I recommend Yuval Noah Harari’s book 21 Lessons for the 21st Century. 

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12 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

UBI is impossible and unfair to people who actually work for a living. 

Workin 9-5, what a way to make a livin, barely gettin by, it's all takin and no givin. They just, use your mind and they never give you credit, it's enough to drive you crazy if you let it! 

Working NINE TO FIVE for service and devotion, you would think that I deserve a fat promotion. Want to move ahead but the boss won't seem to let me, I swear sometimes that man is, out to get me!

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10 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Workin 9-5, what a way to make a livin, barely gettin by, it's all takin and no givin. They just, use your mind and they never give you credit, it's enough to drive you crazy if you let it! 

Working NINE TO FIVE for service and devotion, you would think that I deserve a fat promotion. Want to move ahead but the boss won't seem to let me, I swear sometimes that man is, out to get me!

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1 hour ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

UBI is impossible and unfair to people who actually work for a living. 

 

1 hour ago, Reagan04 said:

Workin 9-5, what a way to make a livin, barely gettin by, it's all takin and no givin. They just, use your mind and they never give you credit, it's enough to drive you crazy if you let it! 

Working NINE TO FIVE for service and devotion, you would think that I deserve a fat promotion. Want to move ahead but the boss won't seem to let me, I swear sometimes that man is, out to get me!

His books is more in regards to the future when AI causes a huge unemployment vacuum. The book also discusses AI doctors and AI creating AI. The book isn’t apocalyptic as it discusses the benefits of AI but it strongly argues a universal basic income to combat the lack of jobs. Some will have work but many won’t. 

I’m not arguing against work or working people. I work, and if you count all my work (paid and unpaid) I work about 18 hours a day. 

UBI goes to everyone, working or not. Nothing is unfair about it. Those that work just get more (above basic). 

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1 hour ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

UBI is impossible and unfair to people who actually work for a living. 

UBI helps working people just as much, if not more, than those who don't work. People who work such long hours now wouldn't have to. They also have economic security if they lose their job or have to take time off for some reason. Or, just extra cash for them to spend on top of what they already make. Sounds fair to me.

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2 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

Workin 9-5, what a way to make a livin, barely gettin by, it's all takin and no givin. They just, use your mind and they never give you credit, it's enough to drive you crazy if you let it! 

Working NINE TO FIVE for service and devotion, you would think that I deserve a fat promotion. Want to move ahead but the boss won't seem to let me, I swear sometimes that man is, out to get me!

 

1 hour ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

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Working 9 to 5 is a concept I don't think you two fully understand the logistics of. But, even worse, is working 12 to 16 hours a day for each partner in a dual income family and STILL barely scraping by. Then you truly see the great sociopathic and monstrous side of employment under modern corporatism I've been talking about.

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Just now, Patine said:

 

Working 9 to 5 is a concept I don't think you two fully understand the logistics of. But, even worse, is working 12 to 16 hours a day for each partner in a dual income family and STILL barely scraping by. Then you truly see the great sociopathic and monstrous side of employment under modern corporatism I've been talking about.

I know you don't have a TV but now I'm guessing you don't have a radio either.

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

I know you don't have a TV but now I'm guessing you don't have a radio either.

I do have a radio. Why?

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

I do have a radio. Why?

It's a song from the 80's.

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Just now, SilentLiberty said:

It's a song from the 80's.

Oh. I remember the song title and chorus. I just didn't remember the verses. And it NEVER plays on any radio stations here that I've heard for YEARS.

But, my point is still a good rebuttal to @ThePotatoWalrus' uniformed comment (but, then again, aren't all of his comments uniformed?) "UBI is impossible and unfair to people who actually work for a living," - and in least in terms of ALL such people.

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7 minutes ago, SilentLiberty said:

It's a song from the 80's.

Dolly is timeless but sure if you have to put a temporal limit on her greatness.

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10 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Dolly is timeless but sure if you have to put a temporal limit on her greatness.

I mean music taste is subjective anyway. I just figured if I pointed out the song and the decade it was released it all might click.

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16 minutes ago, Patine said:

Oh. I remember the song title and chorus. I just didn't remember the verses. And it NEVER plays on any radio stations here that I've heard for YEARS.

But, my point is still a good rebuttal to @ThePotatoWalrus' uniformed comment (but, then again, aren't all of his comments uniformed?) "UBI is impossible and unfair to people who actually work for a living," - and in least in terms of ALL such people.

I suppose he should maybe read more on Andrew Yang and his UBI proposal. 

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I usually hate people that say certain idea is unachievable,but i have to be that guy now.UBI in a form Yang proposes is a "pie in the sky"

 

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21 minutes ago, Rodja said:

I usually hate people that say certain idea is unachievable,but i have to be that guy now.UBI in a form Yang proposes is a "pie in the sky"

 

In the richest nation in the world?

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7 hours ago, Patine said:

In the richest nation in the world?

We need higher taxes on the rich and less military spending used to fund 15$ minimum wage,Medicare For All(or Public Option) and Green New Deal .Then we can think about some utopian ideas.

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51 minutes ago, Rodja said:

We need higher taxes on the rich and less military spending used to fund 15$ minimum wage,Medicare For All(or Public Option) and Green New Deal .Then we can think about some utopian ideas.

With a UBI, you wouldn't need a $15 minimum wage

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1 minute ago, pilight said:

With a UBI, you wouldn't need a $15 minimum wage

But 15$ minimum wage is a realistic concept,UBI is not.

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It's interesting how Yang has made this such a widely discussed topic. Though he will never win the nomination, damn did he normalize his signature policy issue.

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2 hours ago, Rodja said:

But 15$ minimum wage is a realistic concept,UBI is not.

$15 minimum wage is not realistic at all, unless mass unemployment appeals to you

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3 hours ago, pilight said:

$15 minimum wage is not realistic at all, unless mass unemployment appeals to you

Depends where you live. Federally no, but in big cities I could see it for sure.

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6 hours ago, Rodja said:

We need higher taxes on the rich and less military spending used to fund 15$ minimum wage,Medicare For All(or Public Option) and Green New Deal .Then we can think about some utopian ideas.

Well, only the ultra-rich and those who have a vested interest in the unnecessary budget, corporate enrichment, and Nuremberg-caliber criminal activities - both internationally and abroad - war-hawk policies have a strong interest in avoiding the budget changes. Unfortunately, though only a small minority of the actual population, their power is disproportionate because bribery was made legal by the treasonous Supreme Court ruling "Citizen's United," and thus groups have enough power to compel government to do their bidding and utterly ignore their own constituents on the issue.

3 hours ago, pilight said:

$15 minimum wage is not realistic at all, unless mass unemployment appeals to you

Any corporation who refuses to pay their employees a living wages should lose their business license permanently (no living wages, no corporate profits) and have all their assets auctioned to corporations who are willing to obey common-sense (not "Socialist" or "Communist," - at least as the terms are used in political slander in the U.S., which are not REALLY their actual definitions) regulations to maintain a stable, functional, and ethical marketplace with tenable protections for employees and consumers and FAIR taxes all around. Everyone KNOWS big corporations are NOT going to all go bankrupt and the economy collapse if living wages become mandatory, despite the lies and misinformation promoted by said corporations on the issue.

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4 minutes ago, Patine said:

Well, only the ultra-rich and those who have a vested interest in the unnecessary budget, corporate enrichment, and Nuremberg-caliber criminal activities - both internationally and abroad - war-hawk policies have a strong interest in avoiding the budget changes. Unfortunately, though only a small minority of the actual population, their power is disproportionate because bribery was made legal by the treasonous Supreme Court ruling "Citizen's United," and thus groups have enough power to compel government to do their bidding and utterly ignore their own constituents on the issue.

Any corporation who refuses to pay their employees a living wages should lose their business license permanently (no living wages, no corporate profits) and have all their assets auctioned to corporations who are willing to obey common-sense (not "Socialist" or "Communist," - at least as the terms are used in political slander in the U.S., which are not REALLY their actual definitions) regulations to maintain a stable, functional, and ethical marketplace with tenable protections for employees and consumers and FAIR taxes all around. Everyone KNOWS big corporations are NOT going to all go bankrupt and the economy collapse if living wages become mandatory, despite the lies and misinformation promoted by said corporations on the issue.

I just have to wonder what exactly constitutes a 'living wage'? Seems like that would cause a lot more problems than just raising it to 15 and calling it good. 'Living wage' is just way to open ended and seems like to me it could easily be taken advantage of, by both the corporation and or the government. 

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