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2020 Crisis Issues Poll

2020 Critical Issues  

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  1. 1. Which of these would you consider the #1 national crisis (i. e. you'd declare a national emergency and make the issue the focus of your term or terms in office)

    • Undocumented immigration (i.e. "illegal" for those that require this term)
    • Identity Politics-related Violence (antisemtism, White Nationalism, Black Lives Matter, All Lives Matter, Islamophobia, identity politics activism, etc)
    • Gun control
      0
    • Climate change
    • Cyber Security, including Russian cyber meddling
      0
    • Budget/National Debt
    • Student loan debt
      0
    • Education funding and quality
      0
    • Anti-Intellectualism in the United States
    • Gerrymandering
      0
    • Secularism in America
      0
    • Blurring of the lines between Church and State in America
      0
    • Bernie Sanders and/or his Democratic Socialistic politics
    • Healthcare. including prescription drugs
    • Opioid Epidemic
      0
    • Crumbling Infrastructure
      0
    • Donald Trump and/or his politics
    • Military Industrial Complex
    • Other
  2. 2. Which major party candidate that is polling at least 5% would be the best at addressing the crisis?

  3. 3. How many of those from question 1 do you consider a National Emergency-level crisis?

    • All of them
      0
    • Over 16 or more of them
      0
    • 12 to 15 of them
    • 10 or 11 of them
    • 7 to 9 of them
    • 5 or 6 of them
    • 4
      0
    • 3
    • 2
    • Only one
    • None of these warrant a National Emergency. They're either unimportant or can be dealt with without urgency, panic, or special attention.


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Climate change would be #1 for me. 

Others I would say are national emergency level are gun control (especially seeing ANOTHER mass shooting today), healthcare, opioid epidemic, student loan debt.

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I put Climate Change first. 

Secondary ones are Cyber Security, Student Loan debt, Education funding and quality, gerrymandering, healthcare, crumbling infrastructure. 

I actually think all of my presumed crises could be solved with just ending gerrymandering and increasing education funding and education quality. However, I think Climate Change is so urgent that just focusing on gerrymandering reform and education wouldn't be a quick enough solution. 

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I said just Trump and his policies.  I also think anti intellectualism (which I struggle to separate from “Trump and his policies) is a serious problem...but I don’t know how to fix stupid even if we declared the stupidity itself to be an emergency.

EDIT: The actual answer that popped into my head when you asked the question was “the immigration crisis”.  Not that too many people are coming, but rather that our treatment of them is barbaric.  

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8 minutes ago, Actinguy said:

I said just Trump and his policies.  I also think anti intellectualism (which I struggle to separate from “Trump and his policies) is a serious problem...but I don’t know how to fix stupid even if we declared the stupidity itself to be an emergency.

EDIT: The actual answer that popped into my head when you asked the question was “the immigration crisis”.  Not that too many people are coming, but rather that our treatment of them is barbaric.  

I think you're treating voting out Trump, no matter what, and no matter who replaces him, as far too much of a "magic panacea" viewpoint, and VERY short-sighted.

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Just now, Patine said:

I think you're treating voting out Trump, no matter what, and no matter who replaces him, as far too much of a "magic panacea" viewpoint, and VERY short-sighted.

He’s the worst thing that has happened to our country in my lifetime, and we’ll accomplish zero “bigger picture” ideas while he remains in power.

So...yes.  Getting rid of him is indeed my highest priority.  That’s the only way to get anything else done.

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Just now, Actinguy said:

He’s the worst thing that has happened to our country in my lifetime, and we’ll accomplish zero “bigger picture” ideas while he remains in power.

So...yes.  Getting rid of him is indeed my highest priority.  That’s the only way to get anything else done.

I believe Bush was worse, though I know you'll sharply disagree with that point-of-view. Of course, I'm not saying I support Trump, or think he's a good President remotely at all. My statement is relative, since you brought up personal lifetime.

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

I believe Bush was worse, though I know you'll sharply disagree with that point-of-view. Of course, I'm not saying I support Trump, or think he's a good President remotely at all. My statement is relative, since you brought up personal lifetime.

Yes, I supported Bush twice.  And then I supported Obama twice.  And in 2016, I gave very serious consideration to candidates ranging from Bernie Sanders to Rick Perry.  

So Im not an ideologue, I don’t vote straight down one party line, and I try to keep an open mind about all issues.

But the nomination, election, and Republican embrace of Trump has affected me deeply.  I am horrified to this day that the country I was willing to lay down my life for has voluntarily become such a soulless cesspool now.

Im sure you feel it’s always been a soulless cesspool.  I don’t care.  From my perspective, while evil people have always existed, they were deeply outnumbered by people who were making an honest effort at doing the right thing.  Not always succeeding!  But almost always at least trying.

That Trump exists, or even that he was elected, is not the horrible part.  This was always foreseen — it’s why we created checks and balances, confirmation hearings, a process for impeachment.

The horrifying part has been watching half of our country embrace him.

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1 minute ago, Actinguy said:

Yes, I supported Bush twice.  And then I supported Obama twice.  And in 2016, I gave very serious consideration to candidates ranging from Bernie Sanders to Rick Perry.  

So Im not an ideologue, I don’t vote straight down one party line, and I try to keep an open mind about all issues.

But the nomination, election, and Republican embrace of Trump has affected me deeply.  I am horrified to this day that the country I was willing to lay down my life for has voluntarily become such a soulless cesspool now.

Im sure you feel it’s always been a soulless cesspool.  I don’t care.  From my perspective, while evil people have always existed, they were deeply outnumbered by people who were making an honest effort at doing the right thing.  Not always succeeding!  But almost always at least trying.

That Trump exists, or even that he was elected, is not the horrible part.  This was always foreseen — it’s why we created checks and balances, confirmation hearings, a process for impeachment.

The horrifying part has been watching half of our country embrace him.

The part that's really baffling is the GOP (with some vocal exceptions, mostly retired or on death's bed and/or now deceased) unity behind a man who, by personal lifestyle, history, and past statements and activities is NOT a conservative, libertarian, war-hawk, or Constitutional originalist at all (though he certainly wasn't a liberal, progressive, or social democrat, either - a self-centred, narcissistic, apathic, centrist, MAYBE) . Of the big ideological camps within the GOP, he COULD have been a fiscal conservative/corporatist, until those trade wars came out of nowhere. I'm wondering what the Republicans are actually SUPPORTING, ideologically-speaking.

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Just now, Patine said:

The part that's really baffling is the GOP (with some vocal exceptions, mostly retired or on death's bed and/or now deceased) unity behind a man who, by personal lifestyle, history, and past statements and activities is NOT a conservative, libertarian, war-hawk, or Constitutional originalist at all (though he certainly wasn't a liberal, progressive, or social democrat, either - a self-centred, narcissistic, apathic, centrist, MAYBE) . Of the big ideological camps within the GOP, he COULD have been a fiscal conservative/corporatist, until those trade wars came out of nowhere. I'm wondering what the Republicans are actually SUPPORTING, ideologically-speaking.

I agree with you entirely.

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I would not declare any of these a national emergency, nor do I view any of them as such. There for I voted for Trump as the person most capable to address the 'crisis' because he wouldn't actually address any such crisis.

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Just now, SilentLiberty said:

I would not declare any of these a national emergency, nor do I view any of them as such. There for I voted for Trump as the person most capable to address the 'crisis' because he wouldn't actually address any such crisis.

Stellar logic! You might as well just make a write-in vote for a cartoon character with that way of thinking... :S

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Just now, Patine said:

Stellar logic! You might as well just make a write-in vote for a cartoon character with that way of thinking... :S

Okay great! When did everything become a national emergency?

 

I'm sure Mickey would be more worth while than any of the other candidates anyway. 🙄

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1 minute ago, SilentLiberty said:

Okay great! When did everything become a national emergency?

 

I'm sure Mickey would be more worth while than any of the other candidates anyway. 🙄

No, Mickey Mouse is evil! He is corrupting, destroying, and degrading the movie and television industry, ruining intellectual properties that were not his to begin with into drivel, and spreading hanta virus all over Hollywood.

But, seriously, there are crises that need dealing with, and seriously, and real political will and a desire for real change. Some of them are listed - some, among them the most undermining, divisive, ruinous, and insidious, are NOT on @vcczar's list. But denial that the problems faced by a civilization are not significant enough to be called crises or as threats to that civilization's future, or can be safely ignored or kicked down the road is a classic sign of a great civilization in deep decline...

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17 minutes ago, SilentLiberty said:

Okay great! When did everything become a national emergency?

 

I'm sure Mickey would be more worth while than any of the other candidates anyway. 🙄

Fr congress doesn't exist apparently. Everyone in here would be a bad president. (Except me)

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5 minutes ago, Patine said:

No, Mickey Mouse is evil! He is corrupting, destroying, and degrading the movie and television industry, ruining intellectual properties that were not his to begin with into drivel, and spreading hanta virus all over Hollywood.

But, seriously, there are crises that need dealing with, and seriously, and real political will and a desire for real change. Some of them are listed - some, among them the most undermining, divisive, ruinous, and insidious, are NOT on @vcczar's list. But denial that the problems faced by a civilization are not significant enough to be called crises or as threats to that civilization's future, or can be safely ignored or kicked down the road is a classic sign of a great civilization in deep decline...

HAHAHAHA that was good!

 

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not denying that real world issues exist. And the list that was provided was very heavily Americanized. The two issues I'd say that would be mostly global issues would be Climate Change and Cyber Security. The latter of which I believe Trump already has called a national emergency anyway. My big hang up is the idea that just throwing our hands up and declaring something a national emergency is the first or only way to fix it. It's not. It actually just gives a broken government more power, in fact out of 59 national emergencies that have been declared since 1976, more than 30 are still active. 

3 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Fr congress doesn't exist apparently. Everyone in here would be a bad president.

This is another problem. Each cycle the house and the senate gives up more and more of their own power, and then blame the President(who ever is in office at the time), so if I had a gun to my head and had to declare anything a national emergency it would be something to force term limits onto members of the house and the senate.

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@Actinguy I recommend Anti-Intellectualism in American Life by Richard Hofstadter. It was written when JFK was president, but it's very enlightening even for today. The focus is primarily on Joseph McCarthy, who probably somewhat normalized Anti-Intellectualism. The book predicts Barry Goldwater/Ronald Reagan both of whom are kind of less scary, less evil continuations of McCarthy.  Hofstadter puts the blame on American versions of Protestantism and Catholicism for placing a higher value on emotion/feeling rather than on reason/logic. He mentions how the original European versions of these religions, especially Catholicism, valued the intellect, while the American versions mostly don't. I also remember that he discussed education a lot in the book. 

I can't seem to remember if he mentioned any major figures prior to McCarthy, but if he did, it was probably the Populists and William Jennings Bryan. Had he lived to today, he'd probably loop in Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin, Tea Party, Trump, Michelle Bachmann into his book, all of whom would be considered nightmare scenario candidates for anyone viewing from the 1776-1960s. 

This book won the Pulitzer Prize, I think.  

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1 minute ago, vcczar said:

@Actinguy I recommend Anti-Intellectualism in American Life by Richard Hofstadter. It was written when JFK was president, but it's very enlightening even for today. The focus is primarily on Joseph McCarthy, who probably somewhat normalized Anti-Intellectualism. The book predicts Barry Goldwater/Ronald Reagan both of whom are kind of less scary, less evil continuations of McCarthy.  Hofstadter puts the blame on American versions of Protestantism and Catholicism for placing a higher value on emotion/feeling rather than on reason/logic. He mentions how the original European versions of these religions, especially Catholicism, valued the intellect, while the American versions mostly don't. I also remember that he discussed education a lot in the book. 

I can't seem to remember if he mentioned any major figures prior to McCarthy, but if he did, it was probably the Populists and William Jennings Bryan. Had he lived to today, he'd probably loop in Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin, Tea Party, Trump, Michelle Bachmann into his book, all of whom would be considered nightmare scenario candidates for anyone viewing from the 1776-1960s. 

This book won the Pulitzer Prize, I think.  

I am going to look into this myself.

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Deficit/debt is #1.

none of the listed are the best on the issue.

Still wouldn’t declare a national emergency for it or any of the others.

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10 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

Deficit/debt is #1.

What a very - strange, and even disturbing - perspective...

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2 minutes ago, Patine said:

What a very - strange, and even disturbing - perspective...

-My reaction to your feelings regarding punctuation

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1 minute ago, Reagan04 said:

-My reaction to your feelings regarding punctuation

Thank-you, @Reagan04. People on the Internet who care more about the grammar and presentation of a post than it's content are such a blessing. *sarcasm*

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8 minutes ago, Patine said:

Thank-you, @Reagan04. People on the Internet who care more about the grammar and presentation of a post than it's content are such a blessing. *sarcasm*

Oh C'mon, you know its more than that with you, its a bit of a running joke between us and @ThePotatoWalrus and @Actinguy and I'm sure some others. Its friendly razzing.

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1 minute ago, Reagan04 said:

Oh C'mon, you know its more than that with you, its a bit of a running joke between us and @ThePotatoWalrus and @Actinguy and I'm sure some others. Its friendly razzing.

Which is why you didn't have your head bitten off in an Egyptian Pyramid block of vitriolic text. :P

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1 hour ago, Reagan04 said:

Oh C'mon, you know its more than that with you, its a bit of a running joke between us and @ThePotatoWalrus and @Actinguy and I'm sure some others. Its friendly razzing.

Lol true

Imagine thinking we have 12-15 national crises right now lmfao

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