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Things to improve with new IRV feature

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here are a couple of things that need fixing/could be improved

-A Lab-L/NP 2PP figure nationally and per seat would be nice (I like a lot of detail in results)

-You cannot have undecideds when talking about 2PP/2CP. That needs to be fixed so that only the decided vote is factored into the 2PP/2CP.

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I considered implementing a 2P in addition to the 2C. The problem is that 1. the 2P figure is to an extent idiosyncratic (applies in Australia's case, but may not in various other situations using Instant-Runoff) and 2. it's not clear how it's calculated - in a sense, there isn't actually a 2P number, because some seats aren't won by the Coalition parties or Labor. The 2C number comes pretty close to giving you a 2P number (just combine the Liberal and National numbers), without these issues.

What do you mean by 'you cannot have undecideds'? If the person is undecided, it seems tough to do an Instant-Runoff for them, since they have no clear 1st choice.

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1 hour ago, admin_270 said:

I considered implementing a 2P in addition to the 2C. The problem is that 1. the 2P figure is to an extent idiosyncratic (applies in Australia's case, but may not in various other situations using Instant-Runoff) and 2. it's not clear how it's calculated - in a sense, there isn't actually a 2P number, because some seats aren't won by the Coalition parties or Labor. The 2C number comes pretty close to giving you a 2P number (just combine the Liberal and National numbers), without these issues.

What do you mean by 'you cannot have undecideds'? If the person is undecided, it seems tough to do an Instant-Runoff for them, since they have no clear 1st choice.

So, if this is being updated, when do we finally get long-needed MMP and PR engines put out?

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2 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

@Patine

No ETA for MMP or PR.

So, the electoral systems collectively of the literal MJORITY of elected bodies and actual elections in the world today that are in any way, shape, or form free-and-fair casually dismissed and given bottom priority again. I say boo! Check your priorities! I think you need a better sense of perspective here. You're sitting on a gold mine with this game, and you're too timid to dig below the first upper layers.

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@Patine

Can you think of an upcoming election (within the next 2 years or so, but no closer than a few months) that could act as a hook for developing MMP or PR?

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31 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

@Patine

Can you think of an upcoming election (within the next 2 years or so, but no closer than a few months) that could act as a hook for developing MMP or PR?

That's another problem. Your marketing scheme artificially limits you too much - and, by proxy, limits the products we can reasonably expect. You need to think bigger!

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1 hour ago, admin_270 said:

@Patine

Can you think of an upcoming election (within the next 2 years or so, but no closer than a few months) that could act as a hook for developing MMP or PR?

New Zealand 2020 for MMP.

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1 hour ago, admin_270 said:

@Patine

Can you think of an upcoming election (within the next 2 years or so, but no closer than a few months) that could act as a hook for developing MMP or PR?

Germany 2021 MMP :D

 

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Both of these are good possibilities. Germany is a big polity, which is a plus, but tough because of the language barrier. NZ is probably a good test case for launching an MMP feature, even though it only has 5M people. Then Germany could be added in 2021. We'll see - the schedule is pretty full, but it might happen.

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A suggestion that you can even do is past German Elections such as 2009 or 2005 as the information for them is available in Chancellor Forever.

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5 minutes ago, TheLiberalKitten said:

A suggestion that you can even do is past German Elections such as 2009 or 2005 as the information for them is available in Chancellor Forever.

It would certainly help to make a stronger German product.

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2 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

It would certainly help to make a stronger German product.

It certainly would. If you need any help with image editing. I can help with party logos or leader images. :D

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FPP is the vote using first preferences (what a voter ranks as 1st). Instant-Runoff removes candidates until one candidate has > 50% in a given constituency. Instant-Runoff 2C removes all candidates but 2 for all constituencies.

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Does anyone else sometimes see percentages adding to more than 100% when viewing the numbers as FPP, without Instant Runoff or Instant Runoff 2C? For example, the numbers here add to 118%. I also noticed the same thing on election night when viewing the FPP-only numbers, though the problem doesn't seem to occur if I switch to the Instant Runoff view.

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Another thing: why are you not allowed to view the first preference results after the election is done?

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11 hours ago, lok1999 said:

Another thing: why are you not allowed to view the first preference results after the election is done?

This is a glitch, and will be fixed probably with the next update.

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On 5/19/2019 at 9:16 PM, RI Democrat said:

Does anyone else sometimes see percentages adding to more than 100% when viewing the numbers as FPP, without Instant Runoff or Instant Runoff 2C? For example, the numbers here add to 118%. I also noticed the same thing on election night when viewing the FPP-only numbers, though the problem doesn't seem to occur if I switch to the Instant Runoff view.

Thanks for this - I've noted it to attempt to replicate.

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Anthony, a question - how do the preference flow calculations work in races where not every party fields a candidate? For example, suppose you have a seat where the percentages are as follows:

Apple Party - 45%
Banana Party - 40%
Grape Party - 15%

Now suppose the preference flows for the Grape Party are:

Apple - 40%
Banana - 40%
Orange - 20%

However, there is no Orange Party candidate in the race. So what will the engine do? Will the Grape Party vote instead just split 50-50 between Apple and Banana, or does the 20% that would have gone to the Orange Party instead get divided up based on the Orange Party's preference flows?

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4 hours ago, RI Democrat said:

Anthony, a question - how do the preference flow calculations work in races where not every party fields a candidate? For example, suppose you have a seat where the percentages are as follows:

Apple Party - 45%
Banana Party - 40%
Grape Party - 15%

Now suppose the preference flows for the Grape Party are:

Apple - 40%
Banana - 40%
Orange - 20%

However, there is no Orange Party candidate in the race. So what will the engine do? Will the Grape Party vote instead just split 50-50 between Apple and Banana, or does the 20% that would have gone to the Orange Party instead get divided up based on the Orange Party's preference flows?

From what I can tell, 20% exhaust in that case. It'd be nice to see some way of forcing preference flows, like how it is here in Australia.

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@RI Democrat

They drop out of the voting. This isn't accurate for Australia, which requires all candidates be ranked by a voter and so voter flow persists at every round of counting.

This will probably be changed in the future.

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@admin_270

This is what I meant to say about the instant run off,

This is the FPP, notice that al the candidates have a percentage of the vote.

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What I recommend is to add something similar but just for preferences,

Here is an example of what I mean.

Preferences/ 2C

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I hope that this makes sense.

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