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Hypothetical Election Poll: Part 2

Alternate 2024  

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  1. 1. For whom would you vote for President? Read the story below.

    • Pres. Phil Scott (R-VT)
    • Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
  2. 2. For whom would you vote for President? Read the story below

    • Pres. Phil Scott (R-VT)
    • Gov. Jim Hood (D-MS)
  3. 3. Would you be interested in seeing this alternative political history fleshed out more including election history, midterms, and other information?

    • Yes
    • Yes, and I would be interested in an RP based on this alternate history at some point
    • No


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President Phil Scott of Vermont was elected in 2020 after having served 2 terms as Governor of Vermont and then as President Romney's Secretary of State. His term has been colored with relative peace and ease throughout the world. LGBT rights have flourished in the United States and there has been a general withdrawal of US forces and troops throughout the world. The War on Drugs was declared a failure and disbanded as Immigration restrictions were loosened. The President has worked vigorously on cutting the budget and for the first time in two decades, we are nearing surplus once more. The President has used his political capital earned through his liberal social policy by opening private alternatives to Social Security and Medicare. This has led to the Left wing of the Democratic Party, the descendants of the New Dealers, to rage back against the sitting President. They have nominated Liberal champion Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, known for her fiery temper on the Senate and as a champion of the activist left, beating out more moderate and conservative Democrats for the nomination. Klobuchar is connected to the old order and tradition of Minnesota Liberalism, and has been running as such. Sen. Joe Manchin, the 2020 nominee, has reluctantly backed Klobuchar for the general election against President Scott after having enthusiastically supporting Conservative standardbearer, Gov. Jim Hood (D-MS). President Scott is the favorite going into re-election, but after 12 years of Republican domination, could the country be ready for a change? And will they accept the Liberal Klobuchar over a Moderate or Conservative Democrat?

 

I'm considering starting an RP based on alternate history that may interest some of you. It will revolve around American history branching off following a Romney victory in 2012. He was re-elected in 2016 and in 2020 the Republican Party chose Secretary of State Phil Scott over Vice President Paul Ryan. Ryan represented the conservative faction over the Liberal faction in Secretary Scott. Running as an alternative moderate was Ohio Senator John Kasich. The Republican Party now looks like this, the most conservative members are of the Marco Rubio/Paul Ryan faction. The center of the party is populated by old establishment republicans as well as moderate conservatives like Senator John Kasich and . The newly popularized Liberal Rockefeller wing is led by President Phil Scott and rising star Maryland Governor Larry Hogan. 

In reaction to a landslide defeat of Bernie Sanders in 2016 at the hands of Phil Scott in a radical fashion, the Democratic Party abandoned its growing left wing as many of the supporters of the growing tide of Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy retreated further towards the center. Like the Republicans, it too had reverted back to the old way of a liberal/moderate/conservative wing dynamic. The Liberal wing is the descendants of the New Dealers, it emphasizes the social safety net and social progressivism to a degree, but retains moderate positions on Trade and other economic issues. It's led by people like Senator Amy Klobuchar and Governor Cory Booker. The Moderate Wing were known as the New Democrats, in the vein of Bill Clinton, leaders here include Ohio Governor Tim Ryan and Senator John Hickenlooper. The Conservative Wing were a throwback to the Dixiecratic days, largely based in the South, instead of being called the Dixiecrats, the conservatives are nationally known as the Blue Dogs, led by 2020 Nominee and Senator Joe Manchin as well as Mississippi Governor Jim Hood.

Republican Factions:

Conservatives/Phoenix Caucus: Sen. Marco Rubio/Fmr. Vice President Paul Ryan (25% of the party)

Moderates/Main Street Republicans: Sen. John Kasich/Attorney General Chris Christie (Former President Romney's faction, 45% of the party)

Liberals/Rockefeller Republicans: Sen. Charlie Baker/Gov. Larry Hogan (President Scott's faction, 30% of the party)

Democrat Factions:

Conservatives/Blue Dogs: Sen. Joe Manchin/Gov. Jim Hood (30% of the party)

Moderates/New Democrats: Gov. Tim Ryan/Sen. John Hickenlooper (40% of the party)

Liberals/New Deal Caucus: Sen. Amy Klobuchar/Gov. Cory Booker (30% of the party)

 

Let me know if you'd be interested in this! To give you insight as to how the factions operate, The Democratic Party is more nativist and protectionist, so on the issue of Immigration, Blue Dogs and New Democrats tend to be Right-Wing to Center-right while New Dealers are apathetic to the issue or moderate/center-left. Rockefellers are the most Liberal on the issue while Main Streeters and Phoenix Republicans tend to be center to center-right. On Abortion, there is a wide distribution as Rockefellers and New Dealers are nearly uniformly Pro-Choice while New Democrats are about 60/40 Pro Choice, Main Streeters 60/40 Pro-Life, and Blue Dogs and Phoenix Republicans tend to be passionately Pro-Life.

So! I've put this all together, let me know if you're interested in learning more about this universe, or me furnishing more information about how the new parties function, regional bases, what congress and control of states look like, and more issues and how the parties and factions deal with those. Even if you're not interested in an RP in this universe, I'd be interested in exploring the different possibilities of an alternative united states in which discourse is much more moderate, civil, and balanced.

 

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2 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

I'll occasionally look in but that's about as much as I can commit to it. 

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25 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Thanks for thinking of me, but I don't actually know who most of the people in your scenario are.

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I can't do the poll because I wouldn't vote for either candidate in #1 or #2.  If Rubio is the most Conservative Republican, then I wouldn't be a Republican.  I'd be interested in following this though (and maybe participating in an RP depending on my time and if I could participate as a conservative 3rd party).

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8 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

I can't do the poll because I wouldn't vote for either candidate in #1 or #2.  If Rubio is the most Conservative Republican, then I wouldn't be a Republican.  I'd be interested in following this though (and maybe participating in an RP depending on my time and if I could participate as a conservative 3rd party).

Rubio isn't the MOST conservative, he's just the leader of the Conservative faction. The MOST conservative Republican that is still around is probably Mike Lee would survive in Utah. Rand Paul would still be around. Ted Cruz is taken out in 2018 in my story though. The most conservative of the GOP would be the libertarian republicans that manage to hang on, but they wouldn't be the leaders of the Phoenix faction.

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15 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

Rubio isn't the MOST conservative, he's just the leader of the Conservative faction. The MOST conservative Republican that is still around is probably Mike Lee would survive in Utah. Rand Paul would still be around. Ted Cruz is taken out in 2018 in my story though. The most conservative of the GOP would be the libertarian republicans that manage to hang on, but they wouldn't be the leaders of the Phoenix faction.

I'm somewhat dubious of how the words "conservative" and "liberal" are both even defined in the modern political zeitgeist. They lack the consistency and cohesion of definition that they had in earlier day, and political hypocrisy around these terms is absolutely rampant on both sides. I believe they've just become terms of "convenience" or "attack" that have lost all effective meaning, but are being clung to because of an ideological void in terms of replacing them, except for more extreme, but well-defined ideologies.

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11 minutes ago, Patine said:

I'm somewhat dubious of how the words "conservative" and "liberal" are both even defined in the modern political zeitgeist. They lack the consistency and cohesion of definition that they had in earlier day, and political hypocrisy around these terms is absolutely rampant on both sides. I believe they've just become terms of "convenience" or "attack" that have lost all effective meaning, but are being clung to because of an ideological void in terms of replacing them, except for more extreme, but well-defined ideologies.

Well you'll notice that this is in large part a throwback to that earlier day when each party had healthy wings of each ideology.

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

Well you'll notice that this is in large part a throwback to that earlier day when each party had healthy wings of each ideology.

Now, both parties are just largely collections of bad ideas and retention of failed policies into perpetuity - and they've rigged the system so no one else can realistically challenge them. American will NEVER be great again, or attain it's halcyon glory at all, but only continue in it's very obvious and visible decline, with this political culture and scheme firmly at the helm.

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

Now, both parties are just largely collections of bad ideas and retention of failed policies into perpetuity - and they've rigged the system so no one else can realistically challenge them. American will NEVER be great again, or attain it's halcyon glory at all, but only continue in it's very obvious and visible decline, with this political culture and scheme firmly at the helm.

Do you read what I say or do you just skim and generate a short anti-America rant in the realm of "BREAKING: Old Man Yells at Cloud".

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1 minute ago, Reagan04 said:

Do you read what I say or do you just skim and generate a short anti-America rant in the realm of "BREAKING: Old Man Yells at Cloud".

I did read what you said. And what I say is not "Anti-American." It's "Anti-Corrupt, Complacent, Ineffectual System in Power Through Corrupt and Dishonest Means in the U.S. Holding The Nation Down." It's like being "Anti-Communist Party of China" is not actually "Anti-Chinese," for instance. And I'm extrapolating, not disagreeing, that American politics were once healthier. And they should be made so again. But it will mean some very drastic choices at the ballot-box against what "the Machine" wants - and not vapid showmen like Donald Trump. But now that I've clarified this, I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir. ;) 

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@Dr. Insano What are your thoughts?

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2 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

@Dr. Insano What are your thoughts?

On what point? The results of these polls or the back and forth you two had?

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22 minutes ago, Dr. Insano said:

On what point? The results of these polls or the back and forth you two had?

I'm so embarrassed, I though you hadn't voted yet, that was my bad.

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51 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

I'm so embarrassed, I though you hadn't voted yet, that was my bad.

No worries man

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Alright, I have decided to make one more poll to determine one final thing about the RP.

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With more free time approaching this summer, and inspired by John Bel Edward's breaking with his party on abortion just moments ago, I do plan to continue this in the form of either a roleplay (depending on what @Dr. Insano has planned) or a fleshed out narrative.

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1 hour ago, Reagan04 said:

With more free time approaching this summer, and inspired by John Bel Edward's breaking with his party on abortion just moments ago, I do plan to continue this in the form of either a roleplay (depending on what @Dr. Insano has planned) or a fleshed out narrative.

I hope to as well I'm just waiting on everyone still in the roleplay notifies me that they're ready to continue 

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@jdm06ltd This is the old alternate universe I had written and considered doing an RP for 

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@Reagan04 Can we Incorperate some of my fictional Candidates Such as Tom Birdwell a Radical far righty from Idaho?

 

or what about Timothey O' Brien Republican Prohibitionist from Maryland?

Or Progressive Hugh Wright from Maine?

or Dr. joseph Blaine, a retired Surgeon from California with a TV show called ASK JOE where people call in and ask medical Questions. He is your Moderate Romney kinda Republican, modeled after me personally and my actual beliefs

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34 minutes ago, jdm06ltd said:

@Reagan04 Can we Incorperate some of my fictional Candidates Such as Tom Birdwell a Radical far righty from Idaho?

 

or what about Timothey O' Brien Republican Prohibitionist from Maryland?

Or Progressive Hugh Wright from Maine?

or Dr. joseph Blaine, a retired Surgeon from California with a TV show called ASK JOE where people call in and ask medical Questions. He is your Moderate Romney kinda Republican, modeled after me personally and my actual beliefs

Well given that this is an alternate US, I see no reason why new people wouldn't rise to political office by 2024.

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