Buttigieg is becoming the dark horse of the Democrats

[Edouard 0]

His mood is amazing.

But he's a right-wing dem, that surprises me.

Edited April 19 by Edouard

[Guest]

I’m not familiar with the term “black horse”

[Jayavarman 68]

Mayor Pete Buttigieg now almost tied with Biden and Sanders for the top spot in national poll of Democratic voters.

Note: Half of poll completed *before* official campaign announcement last week

https://medium.com/@ChngRsrch/natio...ajority-support-medicare-for-all-20bd0e69134d

[Edouard 0]

50 minutes ago, HonestAbe said:

I’m not familiar with the term “black horse”

=> Little candidate who start as outsider then become really important

Imagine just a second if Biden does not run, he can win.

I'm really surprised by his political growth.

[Edouard 0]

Is Buttigieg being a blue Trump? Outsider who finish to win?

[Guest]

so You just mean dark horse gotcha. Thought it might dena different term

[vcczar 0]

56 minutes ago, Jayavarman said:

Mayor Pete Buttigieg now almost tied with Biden and Sanders for the top spot in national poll of Democratic voters.

Note: Half of poll completed *before* official campaign announcement last week

https://medium.com/@ChngRsrch/natio...ajority-support-medicare-for-all-20bd0e69134d

Although, I'm glad to see it, they aren't most reliable polling company. They get a C+ among polling rankers. This isn't to say this one poll isn't accurate. A C+ still means the polls aren't way off the mark. 

[Edouard 0]

1 minute ago, HonestAbe said:

so You just mean dark horse gotcha. Thought it might dena different term

Sorry it's my bad I've another way to say it but indeed 😛 

I'm surprised by his dynamic in opinion polls

[Jayavarman 68]

39 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Although, I'm glad to see it, they aren't most reliable polling company. They get a C+ among polling rankers. This isn't to say this one poll isn't accurate. A C+ still means the polls aren't way off the mark. 

Agreed.  Mayor Buttigieg might actually be in 1st place based on the margin of error. 😋

[Dr. Insano 0]

Ugh here we go with a candidate where nobody looks at his record inside South Bend and how the neighborhoods outside of downtown South Bend are being hurt more and more. Same story that's going on in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City, Cleveland and countless other cities. Where the marriage is only concerned about be downtown space into making it a hub. If we have a candidate like him we can expect another 4 years of Trump as I hit my head against a wall. I feel like if anyone agrees with me it'll be @WVProgressive

[Jayavarman 68]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Insano said:

Ugh here we go with a candidate where nobody looks at his record inside South Bend and how the neighborhoods outside of downtown South Bend are being hurt more and more. Same story that's going on in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City, Cleveland and countless other cities. Where the marriage is only concerned about be downtown space into making it a hub. If we have a candidate like him we can expect another 4 years of Trump as I hit my head against a wall. I feel like if anyone agrees with me it'll be @WVProgressive

How did Mayor Buttigieg get re-elected with 80% of the vote if he hurt South Bend "more and more."

[Dr. Insano 0]

2 minutes ago, Jayavarman said:

How did Mayor Buttigieg get re-elected with 80% of the vote if he hurt South Bend "more and more."

Because it's a city... A Democrat will always win unless something strange happens. Also it's a matter of just you googling it but since you don't want to do that here. I'm not saying he's the worst candidate but he's not what everybody's making him out to be https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/13/politics/pete-buttigieg-south-bend-record/index.html

[WVProgressive 0]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Insano said:

Ugh here we go with a candidate where nobody looks at his record inside South Bend and how the neighborhoods outside of downtown South Bend are being hurt more and more. Same story that's going on in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City, Cleveland and countless other cities. Where the marriage is only concerned about be downtown space into making it a hub. If we have a candidate like him we can expect another 4 years of Trump as I hit my head against a wall.

What are you telling me a Rhodes Scholar might be out of touch with the concerns of the working class*? Also, for all the talk of "diversity" the most important part of determining a candidates interests, their class, has been overlooked. Who are the candidates from the working class*? Bernie, Tulsi, Ryan? 

2 minutes ago, Jayavarman said:

How did Mayor Buttigieg get re-elected with 80% of the vote if he hurt South Bend "more and more."

George Bush and Barack Obama are War Criminals and they still won re-election...

 

 

(* Using the Marxist definition, of people who are forced to sell their labor, as opposed to the Capitalist/Owning class, that own the means of production.)

[Edouard 0]

I'm personnaly in favor of Beto, but Butt is really winning a lot of supports days after days and he could seriously do a Obama smash.

But I ask myself if it's not a Hillary bonus.

Hillary was also helped because she was a woman, she even admitted it.

But I ask myself if Butt's sexuality plays (even if he does not want) in his favor

[SilentLiberty 0]

2 hours ago, Edouard said:

But I ask myself if Butt's sexuality plays (even if he does not want) in his favor

I think it does but I've also seen it hurt him. There have been articles already saying that 'he's not gay enough' or 'is Mayor Pete really the gay president we want?' things like that.

 

I do think in the end it would help him far more than hurt him with the LGBQT+ community, and he absolutely is trying to go down that lane. He's been attacking Mike Pence pretty frequently recently.

[Edouard 0]

First opinion polls about general election

General Election: Trump vs. Biden	Emerson	Biden 53, Trump 47	Biden +6
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders	Emerson	Sanders 51, Trump 48	Sanders +3
General Election: Trump vs. O'Rourke	Emerson	O'Rourke 51, Trump 49	O'Rourke +2
General Election: Trump vs. Harris	Emerson	Harris 50, Trump 50	Tie
General Election: Trump vs. Warren	Emerson	Trump 52, Warren 48	Trump +4
General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg	Emerson	Buttigieg 49, Trump 51	Trump +2

[Jayavarman 68]

2 hours ago, Edouard said:

First opinion polls about general election

General Election: Trump vs. Biden	Emerson	Biden 53, Trump 47	Biden +6
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders	Emerson	Sanders 51, Trump 48	Sanders +3
General Election: Trump vs. O'Rourke	Emerson	O'Rourke 51, Trump 49	O'Rourke +2
General Election: Trump vs. Harris	Emerson	Harris 50, Trump 50	Tie
General Election: Trump vs. Warren	Emerson	Trump 52, Warren 48	Trump +4
General Election: Trump vs. Buttigieg	Emerson	Buttigieg 49, Trump 51	Trump +2

Seems to track name recognition.

[Guest]

Remember if Trump wins he right states he can cover a 3-4 point spread and win. 

[Edouard 0]

Another interesting thing : campain donations as of 15th of april 2019 (don't take the date it's fake)

Candidate	Campaign committee to date (as of March 31)
	Raised	Ind. contrib.	% <$200	Spent	COH	Debt
Cory Booker[209]	$7,923,204.28	$5,044,390.15	15.97%	$1,792,193.85	$6,131,010.43	$51,989.35
Pete Buttigieg[210]	$7,091,224.39	$7,086,154.62	64.02%	$685,294.77	$6,405,929.62	$0.00
Julian Castro[211]	$1,321,028.83	$1,306,328.83	30.20%	$643,374.11	$677,654.72	$19,284.83
John Delaney[212]	$18,301,622.83	$1,681,310.19	6.96%	$7,781,888.48	$10,567,864.85	$17,443,250.00
Tulsi Gabbard[213]	$4,495,769.56	$1,949,074.92	54.75%	$1,706,543.60	$2,789,225.96	$0.00
Kirsten Gillibrand[214]	$12,601,580.23	$2,997,884.10	16.68%	$2,433,078.05	$10,168,502.18	$0.00
Mike Gravel	did not file
Kamala Harris[215]	$13,243,550.83	$12,024,121.55	36.77%	$4,285,426.01	$8,958,124.82	$65,000.00
John Hickenlooper[216]	$2,020,682.57	$2,014,099.37	9.97%	$685,513.84	$1,335,168.73	$0.00
Jay Inslee[217]	$2,256,655.41	$2,255,455.41	34.00%	$843,774.67	$1,412,880.74	$365,194.64
Amy Klobuchar[218]	$8,832,322.42	$5,232,375.87	34.60%	$1,849,949.25	$6,982,373.17	$0.00
Wayne Messam[219]	$43,531.62	$43,531.62	26.58%	$1,701.24	$41,830.38	$0.00
Beto O'Rourke[220]	$9,373,261.40	$9,369,861.40	59.15%	$2,511,055.63	$6,862,205.77	$0.00
Tim Ryan	did not file
Bernie Sanders[221]	$20,688,027.24	$18,186,300.21	84.03%	$5,026,076.88	$15,661,950.36	$0.00
Eric Swalwell	did not file
Elizabeth Warren[222]	$16,482,752.41	$6,016,435.38	70.30%	$5,267,561.53	$11,215,190.88	$0.00
Marianne Williamson[223]	$1,546,975.06	$1,544,697.39	60.39%	$997,471.13	$549,503.93	$105,016.54
Andrew Yang[224]	$2,387,536.53	$2,385,475.46	63.64%	$1,286,812.67	$1,151,701.93	$0.00
Richard Ojeda[225]	$119,477.74	$77,476.27	62.91%	$117,475.76	$2,001.98	$44,372.93

 

 

Delaney will have problems with his bank.

[Actinguy 2]

19 minutes ago, Edouard said:

Another interesting thing : campain donations as of 15th of april 2019 (don't take the date it's fake)

Candidate	Campaign committee to date (as of March 31)
	Raised	Ind. contrib.	% <$200	Spent	COH	Debt
Cory Booker[209]	$7,923,204.28	$5,044,390.15	15.97%	$1,792,193.85	$6,131,010.43	$51,989.35
Pete Buttigieg[210]	$7,091,224.39	$7,086,154.62	64.02%	$685,294.77	$6,405,929.62	$0.00
Julian Castro[211]	$1,321,028.83	$1,306,328.83	30.20%	$643,374.11	$677,654.72	$19,284.83
John Delaney[212]	$18,301,622.83	$1,681,310.19	6.96%	$7,781,888.48	$10,567,864.85	$17,443,250.00
Tulsi Gabbard[213]	$4,495,769.56	$1,949,074.92	54.75%	$1,706,543.60	$2,789,225.96	$0.00
Kirsten Gillibrand[214]	$12,601,580.23	$2,997,884.10	16.68%	$2,433,078.05	$10,168,502.18	$0.00
Mike Gravel	did not file
Kamala Harris[215]	$13,243,550.83	$12,024,121.55	36.77%	$4,285,426.01	$8,958,124.82	$65,000.00
John Hickenlooper[216]	$2,020,682.57	$2,014,099.37	9.97%	$685,513.84	$1,335,168.73	$0.00
Jay Inslee[217]	$2,256,655.41	$2,255,455.41	34.00%	$843,774.67	$1,412,880.74	$365,194.64
Amy Klobuchar[218]	$8,832,322.42	$5,232,375.87	34.60%	$1,849,949.25	$6,982,373.17	$0.00
Wayne Messam[219]	$43,531.62	$43,531.62	26.58%	$1,701.24	$41,830.38	$0.00
Beto O'Rourke[220]	$9,373,261.40	$9,369,861.40	59.15%	$2,511,055.63	$6,862,205.77	$0.00
Tim Ryan	did not file
Bernie Sanders[221]	$20,688,027.24	$18,186,300.21	84.03%	$5,026,076.88	$15,661,950.36	$0.00
Eric Swalwell	did not file
Elizabeth Warren[222]	$16,482,752.41	$6,016,435.38	70.30%	$5,267,561.53	$11,215,190.88	$0.00
Marianne Williamson[223]	$1,546,975.06	$1,544,697.39	60.39%	$997,471.13	$549,503.93	$105,016.54
Andrew Yang[224]	$2,387,536.53	$2,385,475.46	63.64%	$1,286,812.67	$1,151,701.93	$0.00
Richard Ojeda[225]	$119,477.74	$77,476.27	62.91%	$117,475.76	$2,001.98	$44,372.93

 

 

Delaney will have problems with his bank.

Delaney's debt is to himself.  He's more or less self-funding, at least at this stage.

[Edouard 0]

3 minutes ago, Actinguy said:

Delaney's debt is to himself.  He's more or less self-funding, at least at this stage.

He spent 10 millions from his pocket indeed and received around 2 millions but there is a 5 I do not fix.

Why did he spend so much millions and campain since 18 months? He still hope to win in a race with twice democrats running in 2008?

[Actinguy 2]

1 minute ago, Edouard said:

He spent 10 millions from his pocket indeed and received around 2 millions but there is a 5 I do not fix.

Why did he spend so much millions and campain since 18 months? He still hope to win in a race with twice democrats running in 2008?

Oh, I agree this whole thing is nonsense.  I was just pointing out that he can afford this hobby.

[Edouard 0]

1 minute ago, Actinguy said:

Oh, I agree this whole thing is nonsense.  I was just pointing out that he can afford this hobby.

Hahahahaha

But correct me if I'm wrong...with 22 candidates (I include Seth and Biden)...isn't this the most competitive race of the democratic party's history?

[Actinguy 2]

3 minutes ago, Edouard said:

Hahahahaha

But correct me if I'm wrong...with 22 candidates (I include Seth and Biden)...isn't this the most competitive race of the democratic party's history?

Probably.  But how competitive it actually is might be an open question.  I could trim it down to 8 or so and bet money that you hadn't accidentally cut the next President.

[Sunnymentoaddict 0]

7 hours ago, Edouard said:

He spent 10 millions from his pocket indeed and received around 2 millions but there is a 5 I do not fix.

Why did he spend so much millions and campain since 18 months? He still hope to win in a race with twice democrats running in 2008?

I believe John Delaney is worth roughly $90 million- so money is not a huge issue to him. This backbencher can afford this vanity project in theory till 2024- assuming Trump wins 2020 lol.