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Potential Quebec 2007 and 2008 by this summer

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Hello!

I had a problem to do older Quebec scenarios, these were lack of polling informations

But if my old old computer works, I possibly could find back scenarios of a former member of this forum who sent to me 4 years ago his scenarios for Prime Minister Forever.

With these I will have the polls.

With the polls I can do the mod.

And with these I can also make Quebec 2003 as he done it.

The most difficult would be to go further in the past by the end of this year...

I could make Quebec 1944 for example because I have an old file about opinion pollings, but Quebec 1976 with the former National Union and rising PQ would be great.

 

However I will focus on "what if?"

For example I will create a Lucien Bouchard ruler of the PQ in 2003 as option who will be Center-Right while the true ruler of that time, Bernard Landry was center-left.

I will do the same with Legault and Duceppe as alternatives to Marois and Boisclair for 2007 and 2008 with really different platforms each times.

For Liberals I will try to add more federalists or more nationalists liberals.

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2 minutes ago, TheLiberalKitten said:

This would certainly be interesting to see! :D

 

Roh I just edited 😛

There are few lines I added in the end ;)

Thaaank you !

Buuuut the main problem with Quebec is their electoral map...THEY CHANGE IT EVERY DECADE 😢 

That's why I can only rely on old files from someone who created original scenarios 😛 

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Just now, Edouard said:

Roh I just edited 😛

There are few lines I added in the end ;)

Buuuut the main problem with Quebec is their electoral map...THEY CHANGE IT EVERY DECADE 😢 

That's why I can only rely on old files from someone who created original scenarios 😛 

Oh! What if is a interesting choice.

Do they? Oh it'll be interesting to see. Perhaps you can use a generic map of Quebec without the electoral districts. 

Good luck! :)

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27 minutes ago, TheLiberalKitten said:

Oh! What if is a interesting choice.

Do they? Oh it'll be interesting to see. Perhaps you can use a generic map of Quebec without the electoral districts. 

Good luck! :)

Yes 😛 !

Territories of Quebec have strong political clashes.

In my mods capital of Quebec and "Chaudières-Appalaches" near it are quite right-wing territories.

While Montreal and Laval for example are strong left places.

Just to show you some maps of the mods

 

Initially the Parti Québécois was almost a class party where every sovereignist from left to extreme right gathered. With 7 millions people they reached 350 000 MEMBERS at its pick. (more than many european parties with 40/50 millions people).

After the election of 2003, and the loss of the 1995 referendum campain (where Quebec was at 50 000 votes to become independent), the PQ fell.

The Parti Québécois stopped to be competitive in Quebec capital and Western Quebec as they lost progressively their right-wing from 2003 to today, it all started with Lucien Bouchard resignation as PM of Quebec in 2001.

(Lucien is a former Minister of Brian Mulroney Conservative federal government). 

For example here is Quebec election map 1998 with Lucien Bouchard

Strong bipartisanism. Either you're Liberal and Canada, either you're Parti Québécois and independentist.

Résultat de recherche d'images pour "quebec election map 1998"

 

You see, Quebec town is still blue, laval too.

2003 changed everything :

In 2003 (if I do it) it's been a complete liberal victory.

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From this moment, Quebec town would never be PQ again.

In 2007 it was a 3 RACE!

Mario Dumont came from nothing with the Right and shaped Quebec.

Interesting moment because the Parti Québécois choosed a Left Pequist, André Boisclair as its leader and one of the first openly gay man to rule a major party as leader.

As he was quite left, you see Montreal blue, but regions around Montreal which are righter all fell for Mario Dumont and the Right.

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And from this moment, bipartisanism was dead.

 

In 2008, PQ was back as official opposition but again, Western Quebec would stay red, just like Laval and Quebec city.

They just took back regions accross Montreal city but never again Quebec capital and Chaudières Appalaches (close of Quebec).

Also from this moment, Quebec Solidaire appeared on the map.

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Quebec been bipartisan from 1980 to 2007.

Basically the Parti Québécois had a clear shot in Western Quebec (Quebec capital) untill 2003.

After it has been a long fall.

In my last mods, the third party can win because bipartisanism is dead, not in Quebec 2008 and Quebec 2003 :).

That's why to put alternatives like the current PM Legault when he was pequist could be interesting, maybe the PQ could win back Quebec's town or western Quebec.

Historically the PQ has become a social democratic party of Montreal and its regions from a strong coalition of right and left in the 70/80/90's.

But 2007 would be the most interesting because all three parties were equals in numbers as seats (like you saw in the 2007 map)

 

For making others I will wait 😢

I've been accepted at the univ of Montreal so I will be there next year

 

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I'm working on 2007 !

Can't promise a date

But there will be A LOT of alternative leaders !

I will show you every what if and their impact they will have on the electoral map if you chose them :) !

 

There will be 5 categories of regions in the 2007 mod.

 

Rural and urbans regions : People are Center Left to Right (not left).

Forest Regions : People are Left and Center Left to Center.

Quebec capital : People are Center-Right and Right.

Montreal and Laval : People are Left to Center Left.

Eastern Quebec : People are Center-Right traditionnally.

 

Let's start with the Parti Québécois! (there will be federal surprises)

Parti Québécois

André Boisclair 

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Historical leader

Politically Center-Left to Strong left

First openly gay ruler of a great party in North America.

Popular in forest and Montreal. André Boisclair will have difficult times in Eastern Quebec and Quebec capital as weel as in rural and urban regions to fight the Right rise of the ADQ and the Liberals.

But he will have facilities to hold his seats in Montreal and forest regions.

Pauline Marois

Image associée

Arrived second in leadership race of 2007

What if she won?

Politically : Center Left 

Mediatory solution, she will have less difficulties in rural and urbans regions but more difficulties in Montreal than André Boisclair.

Plus she will still have problems to convince Quebec capital and Eastern Quebec.

 

Bernard Landry

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Former PM of Quebec, former leader of the Parti Québécois

Politically : Center Left

What if he didn't resigned?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Strong

Forest regions : Strong

Montreal and Laval : Quite Strong

Quebec Capital : Medium to Weak

Eastern Quebec : Weak

 

Lucien Bouchard

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Former PM of Quebec, former leader of opposition of CANADA and main ruler of the independentist campain

Politically : Center-Right to Right

What if he returned to make the party win?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Very Strong

Forest regions : Very Strong

Montreal and Laval : Medium

Quebec Capital : Strong

Eastern Quebec : Medium 

 

François Legault (current PM of Quebec, PQ mp at this time)

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Former Minister of Finance within the Parti Québécois

Politically : Center-Right

What if he campained and won the PQ primary in 2005?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Strong

Forest regions : Strong

Montreal and Laval : Medium

Quebec Capital : Quite Strong

Eastern Quebec : Medium 

 

Gilles Duceppe ( @Patine is going to like this)

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Leader of the Bloc Québécois, major party of Quebec in the federal election

Politically : Center-Left

What if he campained and won the PQ primary in 2005?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Strong

Forest regions : Strong

Montreal and Laval : Strong

Quebec Capital : Medium

Eastern Quebec : Medium 

 

Bernard Drainville

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Well known journalist, star candidate for the Parti Québécois

Politically : Center-Left to Left

What if the Parti Québécois choosed him as leader?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Medium

Forest regions : Strong

Montreal and Laval : Strong

Quebec Capital : Weak

Eastern Quebec : Weak to Medium

 

Joseph Facal

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From latino ethnic who become strong minister of finance during Bouchard's government

Politically : Center to Center-Right

What if the Parti Québécois choosed him as leader?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Strong

Forest regions : Medium

Montreal and Laval : Strong

Quebec Capital : Medium

Eastern Quebec : Medium

 

Pierre Curzi

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Well known actor

Politically : Left

What if the Parti Québécois choosed him as leader?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Medium

Forest regions : Strong

Montreal and Laval : Very Strong

Quebec Capital : Weak

Eastern Quebec : Weak

 

Louise Harel

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1st Women speaker of the National Assembly

Politically : Center Left to Left

What if the Parti Québécois choosed her as leader?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Medium

Forest regions : Strong

Montreal and Laval : Very VERY Strong

Quebec Capital : Weak

Eastern Quebec : Weak to medium

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Final pequist

Richard Legendre

Richard Legendre

Tennisman star of Canada and Minister of Sport in the last pequist government from 2001 to 2003

Politically : Center Left

What if he won the race?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Medium

Forest regions : Strong

Montreal and Laval : Medium

Quebec Capital : Weak

Eastern Quebec : Weak to medium

 

Liberal alternatives

Historical leader

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Prime Minister

Politically : Centrist

He continues.

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Weak to Medium

Forest regions : Medium

Montreal and Laval : Very VERY Strong

Quebec Capital : Strong

Eastern Quebec : Very Strong

 

Monique Jérôme Forget

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Minister of Finance

Politically : Center Right to Right;

What if she became Prime Minister?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Weak to Medium

Forest regions : Weak

Montreal and Laval : Medium to Strong.

Quebec Capital : Very Strong.

Eastern Quebec : Strong

 

THOMAS MULCAIR

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Minister of the Liberal government.

Politically : Centrist.

What if he became Prime Minister?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Weak to Medium

Forest regions : Weak to Medium.

Montreal and Laval : Very Strong.

Quebec Capital : Medium to Strong.

Eastern Quebec : Strong

 

Pierre Paradis

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Former Minister who disagree with the government of the Liberals but is popular MP.

Politically : Center-Left.

What if he became Prime Minister?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Medium

Forest regions : Medium.

Montreal and Laval : Medium to Strong..

Quebec Capital : Strong.

Eastern Quebec : Strong

Advantages are here better shots in rural seats for Liberals.

 

Philippe Couillard

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Minister of Health.

Politically : Center-Right.

What if he became Prime Minister?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Weak.

Forest regions : Weak to Medium.

Montreal and Laval : Medium to Strong..

Quebec Capital : Strong.

Eastern Quebec : Strong

 

Yvon Picotte

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Former Liberal Minister and President of the Democratic Action of Quebec just before the election (the third party)

Politically : Center-Right.

What if he run? (I will also add him in the ADQ so).

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Medium.

Forest regions : Medium.

Montreal and Laval : Medium to Strong..

Quebec Capital : Strong.

Eastern Quebec : Strong

 

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1 hour ago, TheLiberalKitten said:

Nice! Looks like it will be a great scenario! :D best of luck!

Thank you !

I will continue to update 😛 

If you want to laugh, the author let me an image of himself and his name and first name among candidates

He tells he's reluctent between pequists and Quebec solidaire

So I made further researchs to find him RL!

Here is the second count of this autor in our forum

http://270soft.ipbhost.com/profile/139-simonvallee/

I am pushing researchs to find him back

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BINGO!

Simon Vallée still use his yahoo box

But he is 10 years older so he is a bit surprised that someone use it

I got a direct answer in French so I asked him in French if he could find in his archives older Quebec scenarios too (I'm still working for 2007 first ;))

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@admin_270 I request royalties

Matvail who left the forum 10 years ago has bought Canada Infinity and try my last mods for Quebec

I will continue to do 2007 Quebec but this is touching for me, we're fathers of Quebec mods 😢 him for Forever me for Infinity

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7 minutes ago, lolandrewlmao said:

SO excited about these scenarios. Let me know if you need any help making them. 👍

Thank you!

I will :) !

I'm currently using Quebec 2012 for making Quebec 2007, I took the datas from matvail 2002 and I will have to put every numbers which come from this file to Quebec 2007

ridings_data.p4e

With good candidates too...this is the longuest part of every mod! because 125 ridings with 6 parties 😢 it's at least 2000 entries to put

I finish the job of presenting candidates for now

Final Liberal :

Yves Séguin

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Liberal MP, more left and nationalist

Politically : Center-Left.

What if he became Prime Minister?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Medium

Forest regions : Medium.

Montreal and Laval : Medium to Strong..

Quebec Capital : Strong.

Eastern Quebec : Strong

Advantages are here better shots in rural seats for Liberals

 

ADQ (right nationalist third party)

Historical leader


Mario Dumont 

 

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Chief of the ADQ and MP of Riviere du Loup

Politically : Right

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Strong

Forest regions : Strong

Montreal and Laval : Weak

Quebec Capital : Very Strong

Eastern Quebec : Strong

 

With the third party, you understand why it is interesting to wisely choose your leader regarding good ands bads of every leader in regions :) 

 

Sebastien proulx (who currently is a former Liberal minister for Education and leader of the official opposition in 2018)

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Big ADQ member

Politically : Center-right

What if he became Chief of ADQ?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Quite Strong

Forest regions : Quite Strong

Montreal and Laval : Weak to medium.

Quebec Capital : Strong.

Eastern Quebec : Strong

 

 

Gilles Taillon

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Former chief of industrial boss

Politically : Strong Right. (Quebec only matter on economy there is no real societal right except immigration)

What if he became Chief of ADQ?

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Strong

Forest regions : Strong

Montreal and Laval : Weak

Quebec Capital : Very Strong.

Eastern Quebec : Strong

 

Quebec Solidaire

 

Historical leader

Image associée

Amir Khadir

Politically : Strong Left to Far-Left.

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Very Weak

Forest regions : Weak

Montreal and Laval : Very VERY Strong

Quebec Capital : Very Very Weak

Eastern Quebec : Weak

 

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Françoise David

Co leader and former president of the Women's national association

Politically : Strong Left 

Good and bads

Rural Regions : Weak

Forest regions : Weak

Montreal and Laval : Very VERY Strong

Quebec Capital : Very Weak

Eastern Quebec : Weak

 

 

That's it!

 

You see the interest of choosing leader at 4 parties and with tie polls :) 

2007 was really a tie election

 

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