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Tulsi Gabbard is running for President!Wow,she is great young,female,supported Bernie,she would be first Hindu POTUS!She is really great!

Well,not so much.When you dig deeper you see much darker side of her.She is a closet far-right bigot.She resigned from DNC to support Bernie just to get support from progressives.She loves Assad,she is anti-gay,anti-Obama,anti-Islam.

My fellow Progressives,we cannot allow this woman to become the face of our party.

Please,dont fall for Tulsi Gabbard.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-accuses-fellow-democrats-of-religious-bigotry-in-questioning-judicial-nominee/2019/01/09/2c17ecdc-1467-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html?utm_term=.7ae17315e0b3

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-assads-favorite-democrat-is-running-for-president

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-run-foreign-policy_us_5c393bb2e4b01c93e00a0009

https://www.alternet.org/2015/02/curious-islamophobic-politics-dem-congressmember-tulsi-gabbard/

 

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10 minutes ago, Rodja said:

She loves Assad

10 minutes ago, Rodja said:

,anti-Obama

But both of these things are good tho/s

Seriously though, were you telling opponents of the illegal, and more importantly, immoral invasion of Iraq that they must surely support Saddam if they dare oppose The American Empire? I'll admit I'm not big on Tulsi, I'm not a fan of the Democratic party period.

20 minutes ago, Rodja said:

she is anti-gay

So were Obama and Hillary until they realized that they could get more votes if they didn't advocate for denying people their rights.

 

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8 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

But both of these things are good tho/s

 

I wouldn't say supporting Assad is a good thing when he gasses his own people.

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15 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

Seriously though, were you telling opponents of the illegal, and more importantly, immoral invasion of Iraq that they must surely support Saddam if they dare oppose The American Empire? I'll admit I'm not big on Tulsi, I'm not a fan of the Democratic party period.

No,because they didn't.War in Iraq was based on lies.Tulsi have met in person with Assad couple of times and never condemened nor challenged him for killing his own people with chemical weapons.

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27 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

I wouldn't say supporting Assad is a good thing when he gasses his own people.

That was a joke, though I've heard conflicting reports on the veracity of whether or not he actually did launch those gas attacks, or if it was the rebels.

19 minutes ago, Rodja said:

No,because they didn't.War in Iraq was based on lies.Tulsi have met in person with Assad couple of times and never condemened nor challenged him for killing his own people with chemical weapons.

They were saying the same thing before Iraq, that Saddam had gassed his own people, and that he had WMDs. How do we know this isn't another fabrication? Can we really trust America's news media, whose owners have a vested interest in seeing Americas perpetual war contine, be honest about an invadable foreign power? Are you saying that we should invade Syria this time, because this time we must be right? 

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1 minute ago, WVProgressive said:

That was a joke, though I've heard conflicting reports on the veracity of whether or not he actually did launch those gas attacks, or if it was the rebels.

24 minutes ago, Rodja said:

Those 'conflicting reports' probably weren't from reliable news networks. Possibly 3 of the most reliable news networks all seem to think he did it. I seriously doubt your evidence on this.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/04/06/syria-president-bashar-assad-war-criminal/100116828/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/13/assad-regimes-starve-or-surrender-strategy-is-a-war-says-amnesty

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/12/601951535/could-syrian-president-bashar-al-assad-be-tried-as-a-war-criminal

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It appears that the rebels did not control the chemical factories, nor do they have many planes to try and establish control. Plus they stopped UN officials from looking at evidence, which isn’t what most people would call innocent.

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Syrian-Chemical-Weapons-Activity

 

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19 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

It appears that the rebels did not control the chemical factories, nor do they have many planes to try and establish control.

Well it's very possible that the attack never even happened and was staged by NATO.

 

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6 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

Well it's very possible that the attack never even happened and was staged by NATO.

 

I don't even know how to respond to that because it's so based in conspiracy theories.

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3 hours ago, Rodja said:

Tulsi Gabbard is running for President!Wow,she is great young,female,supported Bernie,she would be first Hindu POTUS!She is really great!

Well,not so much.When you dig deeper you see much darker side of her.She is a closet far-right bigot.She resigned from DNC to support Bernie just to get support from progressives.She loves Assad,she is anti-gay,anti-Obama,anti-Islam.

My fellow Progressives,we cannot allow this woman to become the face of our party.

Please,dont fall for Tulsi Gabbard.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-accuses-fellow-democrats-of-religious-bigotry-in-questioning-judicial-nominee/2019/01/09/2c17ecdc-1467-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html?utm_term=.7ae17315e0b3

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-assads-favorite-democrat-is-running-for-president

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-run-foreign-policy_us_5c393bb2e4b01c93e00a0009

https://www.alternet.org/2015/02/curious-islamophobic-politics-dem-congressmember-tulsi-gabbard/

 

Yeah if the Jaconin is condemning you, you might be a good leftists. And you beat me to the punch of making a post highlighting her terrible views. 

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7 hours ago, Rodja said:

Tulsi Gabbard is running for President!Wow,she is great young,female,supported Bernie,she would be first Hindu POTUS!She is really great!

Well,not so much.When you dig deeper you see much darker side of her.She is a closet far-right bigot.She resigned from DNC to support Bernie just to get support from progressives.She loves Assad,she is anti-gay,anti-Obama,anti-Islam.

My fellow Progressives,we cannot allow this woman to become the face of our party.

Please,dont fall for Tulsi Gabbard.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-accuses-fellow-democrats-of-religious-bigotry-in-questioning-judicial-nominee/2019/01/09/2c17ecdc-1467-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html?utm_term=.7ae17315e0b3

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-assads-favorite-democrat-is-running-for-president

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-run-foreign-policy_us_5c393bb2e4b01c93e00a0009

https://www.alternet.org/2015/02/curious-islamophobic-politics-dem-congressmember-tulsi-gabbard/

 

If she wants to be the first Hindu President of the U.S., perhaps she's taking somewhat after Narendi Modi in some of these (except, I don't think Modi ever praised Assad - I don't know what his attitude to the Arab Ba'athist government on Damascus is, honestly). But have you ever read BJP platform. "Homosexuality is a social disease" which sometimes is blamed on bringing promoted by, and encouraging during, the British Raj, a popular homophobic myth in my African nations too (that Africans are not naturally gay - the practice was brought by colonials), "Islam is the greatest force in evil in the world today and must be fought tooth and nail by all 'good people,'" and other such paraphrased snippets of the platform of the Hindu nationalist party which won it's election that put in power in 2014 with the largest mandate of counted votes (not percentage) for a single government in an actual popular, contested election in all of world history to date (that is scary).

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15 hours ago, Rodja said:

Tulsi Gabbard is running for President!Wow,she is great young,female,supported Bernie,she would be first Hindu POTUS!She is really great!

Well,not so much.When you dig deeper you see much darker side of her.She is a closet far-right bigot.She resigned from DNC to support Bernie just to get support from progressives.She loves Assad,she is anti-gay,anti-Obama,anti-Islam.

My fellow Progressives,we cannot allow this woman to become the face of our party.

Please,dont fall for Tulsi Gabbard.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-accuses-fellow-democrats-of-religious-bigotry-in-questioning-judicial-nominee/2019/01/09/2c17ecdc-1467-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html?utm_term=.7ae17315e0b3

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-assads-favorite-democrat-is-running-for-president

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-run-foreign-policy_us_5c393bb2e4b01c93e00a0009

https://www.alternet.org/2015/02/curious-islamophobic-politics-dem-congressmember-tulsi-gabbard/

 

Relax.

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Tulsi Gabbard is also a member of a bizarre Hare Krishna cult led by a man named Chris Butler, as are her parents, several of her staffers and both her first and second husband (they are rumored to arrange marriages).  The story gets far more disturbing the more one reads about it. 

In fact, when her right-wing father (a homophobic Republican state senator who switched parties in 2007) was challenged about this issue in his failed 2004 US House race, she delivered a response that's now getting some attention for its hateful homophobia:

“I smell a skunk,” [Gabbard] wrote. “It’s clear to me that you’re acting as a conduit for The Honolulu Weekly and other homosexual extremist supporters of Ed Case.”

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/11/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-who-you-think-she-is.html

She also used to promote conversion therapy.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/kfile-tulsi-gabbard-lgbt/index.html

The cult stuff, homophobia, Islamophobia, friendliness to Putin, Assad, Modi and Trump are all giant red flags for me.  The likes of Steve Bannon, Trey Gowdy and David Duke (!) have endorsed her.  Her father switched parties, later admitting it's the only way he could remain elected in Hawai'i, and her views seem suspiciously like an extension of his to this day.  I suspect that's the reason why she's not a Republican, where I think she would feel more at home.

Definite NO from me on Tulsi Gabbard, in fact if she gets the nomination, for the first time in my life I won't vote for the Democrat for president (I certainly won't vote for the Republican either).  Literally just about any other potential Democratic nominee is someone I could vote for in November 2020.  But not her.

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@darkmoon72 @Rodja @Sunnymentoaddict @Patine

In her defense, her religion and her bigoted views were part of her early 20s. She's almost 40 now. She left her father's religion and she admitted she was blind to her father's views, politically and religiously. She's since supported pro-LGBT acts, including the Equality Act. Just to show you how someone can change, Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton were Republicans in their early 20s, and Donald Trump was a Democrat. I voted for George W. Bush in my first election in 2000! I voted for Bernie Sanders and then Hillary Clinton in 2016. Sen. Robert Byrd was a Klansman in his early 20s. He voted for Obama several decades later. People genuinely change. For her, I don't think her evolution was politically motivated, considering how out of place it was to the rest of the world. She grew up on an island, then she saw the world. People's brains aren't fully developed until their mid-twenties, generally. 

I think there are many places to attack her, however. For instance, her stances on Syria and Russia. Those, to me, are legitimate areas for not voting for her. If more recent bigoted or cultish behavior emerges, then obviously I stand corrected on the stuff mentioned in the first paragraph. 

Overall, she's definitely not my first choice, but I'm not going to write someone off for something they said in their "folly of youth" period (late teens and early 20s). I'm expecting @Reagan04 and @ThePotatoWalrus and most of the kids on this board to evolve ;)

 

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34 minutes ago, vcczar said:

@darkmoon72 @Rodja @Sunnymentoaddict @Patine

In her defense, her religion and her bigoted views were part of her early 20s. She's almost 40 now. She left her father's religion and she admitted she was blind to her father's views, politically and religiously. She's since supported pro-LGBT acts, including the Equality Act. Just to show you how someone can change, Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton were Republicans in their early 20s, and Donald Trump was a Democrat. I voted for George W. Bush in my first election in 2000! I voted for Bernie Sanders and then Hillary Clinton in 2016. Sen. Robert Byrd was a Klansman in his early 20s. He voted for Obama several decades later. People genuinely change. For her, I don't think her evolution was politically motivated, considering how out of place it was to the rest of the world. She grew up on an island, then she saw the world. People's brains aren't fully developed until their mid-twenties, generally. 

I think there are many places to attack her, however. For instance, her stances on Syria and Russia. Those, to me, are legitimate areas for not voting for her. If more recent bigoted or cultish behavior emerges, then obviously I stand corrected on the stuff mentioned in the first paragraph. 

Overall, she's definitely not my first choice, but I'm not going to write someone off for something they said in their "folly of youth" period (late teens and early 20s). I'm expecting @Reagan04 and @ThePotatoWalrus and most of the kids on this board to evolve ;)

 

Great research of her,honestly I would also support her now after looking more into her record and how she carrys herself overall. 

Now my list of people I would support grows too Bernie,Beto,and Tulsi! 

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All things being equal, vcczar, I would agree.  However, things are not equal.

Gabbard's "early 20s" you refer to include when she was an elected official - a Democrat, no less.  In more recent years, she's said in interviews that her views on gay rights, abortion, etc. haven't changed, but that she doesn't believe in forcing her viewpoint on others.  Not exactly a ringing endorsement of human rights, in my book, and I think it's fair to question whether she'll fight for these things at all, and what kind of Supreme Court justices she'll pick.  The cult she belonged to is very much homophobic, misogynistic and Islamophobic, and she continues to tick all those boxes to this day in very disturbing ways.  She obviously hasn't shaken this cult as of today, as her chief of staff is a member, and was criticized at the time he was picked for having no political experience.

This was so concerning to Hawai'i's LGBT caucus that they refused to endorse her candidacy in 2016, when she was 35 - only 3 years ago, and long after she claims to have "evolved".

It's true, many people had different views when they were younger, but no other Democrat in the running has ever said anything about gay people that's even close to the hateful rhetoric that Gabbard spouted. 

Even I will admit I grew up in a different time, when homophobic jokes in school were more common, and that I participated before I knew any better - but that was when I was 11 or 12, certainly not well into my 20s, and even I didn't rant and rave about "homosexual extremists" (I'm close to her age, to put this in context).  That's a whole new level of hate beyond simple youthful ignorance - and keep in mind the context of that quote was someone asking about her then-Republican father's creepy cult connections, not addressing Tulsi at all, a valid question that went completely unanswered.

Let's also keep in mind nobody seriously considered Robert Byrd to be presidential material.  He ran as a favorite son in 1976 but was never a serious contender.  We can forgive, yes, but not forget.

Gabbard is also a frequent fixture on FOX News, often criticizing Democrats whenever she can.  Usually when "Democrats" start making frequent appearances on FOX to attack progressives, they are showing their true colors - Dennis Kucinich is a great example.

Progressive Punch lists her as the 123rd most progressive member of the House - meaning about 70% or so of House Democrats are more progressive than she is.  From where I stand, she is not to be trusted.

https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=house

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Man, this thread is really selling me on Tulsi Gabbard.

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1 hour ago, Reagan04 said:

Man, this thread is really selling me on Tulsi Gabbard.

Of course it is, and that's the problem.  She has far more in common with Republicans than Democrats, and I suspect she'd drop all pretense and be a Republican if she thought she could get away with it in heavily Democratic Hawai'i.

Fortunately, though, Republicans do not decide our primaries for us, and Gabbard has about as much of a chance of winning our party's nomination as Donald Trump does.

RNC spokesman Michael Ahrens summed up her problems best: “Liberals think she’s too conservative, conservatives think she’s too liberal, and just about everyone thinks her coziness with Bashar al-Assad is disturbing.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-run

More about her looney tunes cult she and her family are a part of, which has also been linked to drug smuggling and kidnapping - they even bought drugs from the Taliban (!).  They also like to coordinate DDOS attacks against any journalistic website that dares investigate them.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/16/tulsi-gabbard-krishna-cult-rumors_n_6879588.html

http://hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/15250/Tulsi-Gabbards-Cult-Tied-to-quotBillion-Dollar-Drug-Empirequot--Funded-Taliban.aspx

http://hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/20612/categoryId/94/DDOS-Attack-on-Hawaii-Free-Presstied-to-Gabbards-Cult.aspx

To summarize, Culty Gabbard wants everyone to think she's Bernie Sanders in a lei.  In reality, she's Jim Jones in a lei.

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On 1/12/2019 at 2:00 PM, WVProgressive said:

Well it's very possible that the attack never even happened and was staged by NATO.

 

It's also very possible that I was secretly the president of the US 10 years ago and that there was a conspiracy to eliminate my name from all President's lists,media etc.

Seriously evidence PLEASE.

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10 hours ago, vcczar said:

@darkmoon72 @Rodja @Sunnymentoaddict @Patine

In her defense, her religion and her bigoted views were part of her early 20s. She's almost 40 now. She left her father's religion and she admitted she was blind to her father's views, politically and religiously. She's since supported pro-LGBT acts, including the Equality Act. Just to show you how someone can change, Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton were Republicans in their early 20s, and Donald Trump was a Democrat. I voted for George W. Bush in my first election in 2000! I voted for Bernie Sanders and then Hillary Clinton in 2016. Sen. Robert Byrd was a Klansman in his early 20s. He voted for Obama several decades later. People genuinely change. For her, I don't think her evolution was politically motivated, considering how out of place it was to the rest of the world. She grew up on an island, then she saw the world. People's brains aren't fully developed until their mid-twenties, generally. 

I think there are many places to attack her, however. For instance, her stances on Syria and Russia. Those, to me, are legitimate areas for not voting for her. If more recent bigoted or cultish behavior emerges, then obviously I stand corrected on the stuff mentioned in the first paragraph. 

Overall, she's definitely not my first choice, but I'm not going to write someone off for something they said in their "folly of youth" period (late teens and early 20s). I'm expecting @Reagan04 and @ThePotatoWalrus and most of the kids on this board to evolve ;)

 


I personally believe that Hillary Clinton is a closet neocon who has a Democratic party label to ride her husband's successes in the '90's. And Trump does not really belong to any major ideological camp of the Republican Party - social conservatives, neocons, libertarians - except MAYBE the hard corporate yesmen of the party, but even then, his inexplicable trade wars and token desire to curb their outsourcing is going to alienate them too. I don't seen Trump as IDEOLOGICALLY a Republican, just a vapid populist with no coherent message who appeals to their voter base.

And, in the case of Assad, I don't believe he's the worst contending for leadership of Syria. He's certainly, in fact, the only one that's not a wild card that could blow up in everyone's face.

10 hours ago, darkmoon72 said:

that her views on gay rights, abortion, etc. haven't changed, but that she doesn't believe in forcing her viewpoint on others. 

All things considered, a point-of-view @Reagan04 could learn from.

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@Patine

I don't hold any views that conflict with that view point. You, on the other hand....

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3 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

@Patine

I don't hold any views that conflict with that view point. You, on the other hand....

That's not the rhetoric you've been giving lately, especially with your recent rant that abortion is "the greatest threat facing America today." And, you see, one of big hoodwinks of the plank of the hard social conservatives on this issue is they almost portray legal same-sex marriage and abortion as thus making it "mandatory" - that people will be "forced" to marry those of the same sex and have abortions - just so they can come across as fighting a draconian, authoritarian, paternalistic, and faux moralistic legal ideal, because that's EXACTLY what they're presenting in the reverse - and one, that I might add, would require "big government" and a surveillance state just to actually enforce as the hard social conservatives would like - when, in fact, the legality of same-sex marriage and abortion doesn't actually HAVE to meaningfully affect the day-to-day life of most social conservatives, really at all - a statement that is not true for the other target demographic if the hard social conservative laws pass. Hypocrisy strikes again!

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