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One of the more sadistic and fun things I like to try, especially in Congress Infinity and the Prime Minister games, is to target opposing party leaders in their own home district/riding/constituency. 

I get a huge kick out of watching them personally go down in defeat - and it really helps boost the high score, so there's extra incentive to attempt it in-game.  Some good, semi-recent real-life examples that come to mind are Ignatieff and Duceppe in the Canadian 2011 election, Howard in the 2007 Australian election, and Daschle in the 2004 US election, all of whom lost their own seats while being overall bad nights for their respective parties.

This is the best 2018 result I was able to achieve so far for House Dems while playing the computer.  Randy Bryce unseated Paul Ryan by 149 votes.

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I've played the 1984 New Zealand scenario as David Lange, and managed to win almost every seat, with either the National Party or Social Credit getting only 1 - barely.  In both cases, their leaders lost their seats.

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My best UK result so far was as Margaret Beckett in the 1997 election, where I not only won 543 seats, but I beat both John Major and Paddy Ashdown in their own constituencies.  Strangely, towards the end polls showed Major 5-10% ahead - Reece wasn't expected to win at all, and yet he beat Major by over 8.5%. 

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Ashdown's Yeovil seat was a toss-up by the end in polling, similar to the actual result.

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Just to throw out a curveball, here I won Quebec as Jean Charest, while he lost his own seat.  Sorry for not saving a picture of his riding.

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I look forward to seeing your best leader defeats!

 

 

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33 minutes ago, darkmoon72 said:

One of the more sadistic and fun things I like to try, especially in Congress Infinity and the Prime Minister games, is to target opposing party leaders in their own home district/riding/constituency. 

I get a huge kick out of watching them personally go down in defeat - and it really helps boost the high score, so there's extra incentive to attempt it in-game.  Some good, semi-recent real-life examples that come to mind are Ignatieff and Duceppe in the Canadian 2011 election, Howard in the 2007 Australian election, and Daschle in the 2004 US election, all of whom lost their own seats while being overall bad nights for their respective parties.

This is the best 2018 result I was able to achieve so far for House Dems while playing the computer.  Randy Bryce unseated Paul Ryan by 149 votes.

Randy-Bryce-beats-Paul-Ryan.jpg.61d3397739376babd09988dc915d8c25.jpg


I've played the 1984 New Zealand scenario as David Lange, and managed to win almost every seat, with either the National Party or Social Credit getting only 1 - barely.  In both cases, their leaders lost their seats.

Lange-1984-424-votes-from-shutout.jpg.321c66f61ed84b1f4656f73f053a478c.jpg
Lange-1984-650-votes-from-shutout-2.jpg.ada10902000f532a8c3132cd9f7c42ba.jpg

My best UK result so far was as Margaret Beckett in the 1997 election, where I not only won 543 seats, but I beat both John Major and Paddy Ashdown in their own constituencies.  Strangely, towards the end polls showed Major 5-10% ahead - Reece wasn't expected to win at all, and yet he beat Major by over 8.5%. 

Beckett-1997-my-best-landslide-win-I-beat-John-Major.jpg.6654f38428ea6fdd2e61902786b8106d.jpg

Ashdown's Yeovil seat was a toss-up by the end in polling, similar to the actual result.

Beckett-1997-my-best-landslide-win-I-beat-Paddy-Ashdown.jpg.333c90594687cd481d3933bc9382278d.jpg


Just to throw out a curveball, here I won Quebec as Jean Charest, while he lost his own seat.  Sorry for not saving a picture of his riding.

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I look forward to seeing your best leader defeats!

 

 

In the RW Alberta 1989 general election, the Progressive Conservatives won a huge majority government, as was the case, more or less, in every Alberta election between 1971 and 2012, but Premier (and PC leader) Don Getty lost his own personal seat in Edmonton-Whitemud to Liberal candidate Percy Wickman. How embarrassing! :P

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2 minutes ago, Patine said:

In the RW Alberta 1989 general election, the Progressive Conservatives won a huge majority government, as was the case, more or less, in every Alberta election between 1971 and 2012, but Premier (and PC leader) Don Getty lost his own personal seat in Edmonton-Whitemud to Liberal candidate Percy Wickman. How embarrassing! :P

Yeah, that's not a story you want to tell people.  "My party did great, but I was sent packing".

We have our own similar result here in the US.  In the 1950 Senate elections, the Democrats kept a slender 49-47 seat majority, losing 5 seats.  One of those 5 was the Democratic Senate Majority Leader Scott Lucas, who lost to Everett Dirksen.  It's the only time in our country's entire history that a Senate Majority Leader lost their own seat while their party kept control of the chamber.

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Not to pick on the NDP or anything, but my best results as the Liberals in 2000 and 2004 caused both Alexa McDonough and Jack Layton to lose their seats.

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4 minutes ago, darkmoon72 said:

Not to pick on the NDP or anything, but my best results as the Liberals in 2000 and 2004 caused both Alexa McDonough and Jack Layton to lose their seats.

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The REAL trick in Canada 2000 is getting Day to lose Okanagan.

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On 12/4/2018 at 2:56 PM, Patine said:

The REAL trick in Canada 2000 is getting Day to lose Okanagan.

I actually targeted every leader's seat, but McDonough was the only one who fell.  Duceppe's Laurier--Sainte-Marie seat was the only other one that was remotely close, about 10%.  Clark and Day's margins hardly budged at all.

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I'm not sure if this one counts - I know New Zealand's list seats work a bit differently.  But this is my best result as Jacinda Ardern in the 2017 PMI NZ scenario:

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4 hours ago, darkmoon72 said:

I'm not sure if this one counts - I know New Zealand's list seats work a bit differently.  But this is my best result as Jacinda Ardern in the 2017 PMI NZ scenario:

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Where did you get that scenario from, and when did New Zealand start calling it's apex executive government office "President?"

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2 minutes ago, Patine said:

Where did you get that scenario from, and when did New Zealand start calling it's apex executive government office "President?"

This is a new scenario for PMI that was posted recently.

Moahmed858585 is the creator.  The description even admits there's some electoral tinkering to account for how difficult it is to create New Zealand's system in the game.

http://campaigns.270soft.com/2018/11/18/new-zealand-election-2017/

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On 11/29/2018 at 8:41 PM, darkmoon72 said:

One of the more sadistic and fun things I like to try, especially in Congress Infinity and the Prime Minister games, is to target opposing party leaders in their own home district/riding/constituency. 

I get a huge kick out of watching them personally go down in defeat - and it really helps boost the high score, so there's extra incentive to attempt it in-game.  Some good, semi-recent real-life examples that come to mind are Ignatieff and Duceppe in the Canadian 2011 election, Howard in the 2007 Australian election, and Daschle in the 2004 US election, all of whom lost their own seats while being overall bad nights for their respective parties.

This is the best 2018 result I was able to achieve so far for House Dems while playing the computer.  Randy Bryce unseated Paul Ryan by 149 votes.

Randy-Bryce-beats-Paul-Ryan.jpg.61d3397739376babd09988dc915d8c25.jpg


I've played the 1984 New Zealand scenario as David Lange, and managed to win almost every seat, with either the National Party or Social Credit getting only 1 - barely.  In both cases, their leaders lost their seats.

Lange-1984-424-votes-from-shutout.jpg.321c66f61ed84b1f4656f73f053a478c.jpg
Lange-1984-650-votes-from-shutout-2.jpg.ada10902000f532a8c3132cd9f7c42ba.jpg

My best UK result so far was as Margaret Beckett in the 1997 election, where I not only won 543 seats, but I beat both John Major and Paddy Ashdown in their own constituencies.  Strangely, towards the end polls showed Major 5-10% ahead - Reece wasn't expected to win at all, and yet he beat Major by over 8.5%. 

Beckett-1997-my-best-landslide-win-I-beat-John-Major.jpg.6654f38428ea6fdd2e61902786b8106d.jpg

Ashdown's Yeovil seat was a toss-up by the end in polling, similar to the actual result.

Beckett-1997-my-best-landslide-win-I-beat-Paddy-Ashdown.jpg.333c90594687cd481d3933bc9382278d.jpg


Just to throw out a curveball, here I won Quebec as Jean Charest, while he lost his own seat.  Sorry for not saving a picture of his riding.

Charest-wins-Quebes-2012-loses-own-seat.jpg.d8c35b0e9f91f785712c7d0c468a5008.jpg

I look forward to seeing your best leader defeats!

 

 

Hi :)!

That's potential about Quebec 2012
To talk about it

Jean Charest was elected in Sherbrooke

Sherbrooke is a student place

And in 2012 Charest was hated by the students

So locally in 2012 while PQ and PLQ were quite equal in % (31,8 to 31,2) he has been defeated by 7 points margin

(note : in the beginning of the elections polls even showed that the PQ was between 12 and 15% ahead in Sherbrooke).

Serge Cardin also was the former Bloc MP in the federal election.

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9 hours ago, Edouard said:

Hi :)!

That's potential about Quebec 2012
To talk about it

Jean Charest was elected in Sherbrooke

Sherbrooke is a student place

And in 2012 Charest was hated by the students

So locally in 2012 while PQ and PLQ were quite equal in % (31,8 to 31,2) he has been defeated by 7 points margin

(note : in the beginning of the elections polls even showed that the PQ was between 12 and 15% ahead in Sherbrooke).

Serge Cardin also was the former Bloc MP in the federal election.

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Hi Edouard!  Thanks for the additional info, I knew Charest lost his own seat in 2012 but didn't know much of the details beyond that.

I actually played through 2012 again as Charest and got a better result, both in Sherbrooke and in Pauline Marois' riding of Charlevoix–Côte-de-Beaupré.

 

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Polls the last week before the election showed both seats as a toss-up:

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And finally, my best as Marois, in 2012:

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I played UK 2005 as the Lib Dems.  My themes were the Iraq War, Integrity and Government.  The ads I ran were about 3/4 positive to 1/4 negative, and the negative ads and scandals I researched were split evenly among Labour and the Conservatives.  The only things I improved about my campaign were Command and Ads, and unlike the party's real-life "decapitation strategy", I did not purposefully target any leader's seats.

The last poll taken before the election showed Labour ahead with a minority government, with both Labour and the Tories projected to fall in the 200s in terms of seats.  In terms of percentages, it was a 3-way tie between the 3 major parties, with another 15% or so still undecided.  The Lib Dems were projected to win 120 or so seats, much better than their real-life result.  I managed to get both a "momentum" and a "Big Mo'!" headline, both within 2 weeks of the election, and there were some pretty big scandals for both Blair and Howard that hurt their campaigns.  That being said, I certainly didn't expect to do as well as I did.

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Not only did I take out Michael Howard in his seat, I also managed to cut short the Parliamentary careers of two future Tory PMs - Theresa May and Boris Johnson.

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I played as Neil Kinnock in 1987, and fell 1 seat short of a majority.  I switched from Center-Left to Center on Unemployment and Economic Management, and my themes were those two and Energy. 

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I've noticed I seem to do better in these games the more I micromanage my crusaders.  I unhorsed both Margaret Thatcher (by a lot) and David Owen.

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Gerry Adams barely won in Belfast West, giving Sinn Féin 1 seat.  I'm not 100% on how the Westminster system would work in this case.  My question is, since they don't take their seats, does that effectively reduce the number of seats in the House of Commons to 649, thus giving me a bare majority with 325 seats?  Or is it still a minority government?  Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer that.

I suppose even if it was a minority government, Kinnock would have his pick of which minor party to work with, since forming a coalition with any of them would bring him over the line.


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Never mind, I think I found the answer.  I guess I was able to secure a "working majority" with Kinnock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hung_parliament

Working majority

There have been occasions when, although a parliament or assembly is technically hung, the party in power has a working majority. For example, in the United Kingdom, the tradition is that the Speaker and Deputy Speakers do not vote and Sinn Féin MPs never take their seats per their policy of abstentionism, so these members can be discounted from the opposition numbers.

United Kingdom

In 2005, this was the case in the 60-seat National Assembly for Wales, where Labour lost their majority when Peter Law was expelled for standing against the official candidate in the 2005 Westminster election in the Blaenau Gwent constituency. When the Assembly was first elected on 1 May 2003, Labour won 30 seats, Plaid Cymru won 12, the Conservatives won 11, Liberal Democrats won 6, and the John Marek Independent Party won a seat.

When Dafydd Elis-Thomas (Plaid Cymru) was reelected as the presiding officer, this reduced the number of opposition AMs who could vote to 29, as the presiding officer votes only in the event of a tie and, even then, not on party political lines but according to Speaker Denison's rule. Thus, Labour had a working majority of one seat until Law ran in Blaenau Gwent.[14]

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This one could probably go in the "Game record" thread, since it's my best result ever in PMI.  I played as Clement Attlee, 1950.  The Conservatives and Liberals both crumbled before me.  Winston Churchill and Clement Davies both lost their seats.

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Not only that, many other prominent Tories also fell before the might of Clement Attlee, including Alec Douglas-Home, Edward Heath, Enoch Powell, Harold Macmillan and Reginald Maudling.

 

 

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