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2020: Trump vs. US Reps

Would You Support one of these US Reps over Trump in the 2020 Presidential Election?  

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  1. 1. Who would you vote for in 2020? Rep. John Delaney of MD or Trump? [Delaney is the only major Democrat declared for 2020]

    • Trump
    • Delaney
    • Who is Delaney? I'd have to do more research.
  2. 2. Who would you vote for in 2020? Rep. Eric Swalwell of CA or Trump? [Swalwell is only 37-years-old. Sources say he's running.]

    • Trump
    • Swalwell
    • Who is Swalwell? I'd have to do more research.
  3. 3. Who would you vote for in 2020? Rep. Beto O'Rourke of TX or Trump? [O'Rourke nearly upset Ted Cruz in the Senate race. He's being urged to run.]

    • Trump
    • O'Rourke
    • Who is O'Rourke? I'd have to do more research.
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3 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

No, many leftists are pro gun, unlike many many liberals. Just because I quoted Marx doesn't mean that Marxists have a monopoly on being pro-gun leftists, and while you're right Ojeda and leftists aren't the same I was simply stating the fact that you don't need to be a conservative to support gun rights. 

I'd argue that Liberals are more likely to be Pro-Gun than Leftists actually. Far more likely in fact.

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1 minute ago, Reagan04 said:

I'd argue that Liberals are more likely to be Pro-Gun than Leftists actually. Far more likely in fact.

Perhaps I misspoke, but in my experience liberals are often against gun-rights, and while some self styled leftists support gun control legislation, many leftists I know actually support gun-rights. 

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2 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

I'd argue that Liberals are more likely to be Pro-Gun than Leftists actually. Far more likely in fact.

Oh? "Political power is exercised through the barrel of the gun," Mao Zedong, reiterated by Che Guevera, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, the Naxalites, Abdel Gamer Nasser, Robert Mugabe, Jacob Zuma, Yoweri Museveni, and many more Communist/Socialist/Marxist revolutionary leaders. Tell me that's an anti-gun quote there. Especially when it's usually said in a rallying speech to Kalashnikov-toting militias ready to go out and use their Kalashnikovs imminently.

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3 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

I have begun to list the phrases that trigger your stump speeches and earn me another dime you know.

However, I'm starting to believe that your simple claim of just "getting a dime" is not solely for "peace on the forum" but because you cannot articulate a defense of your obtuse viewpoints in a way that stands up coherently and rationally without falling back on old saws, stereotypes, buzzwords, urban legends, and long debunked myths. Although I will push that issue, it is a thesis I will continue to believe, in my heart, until proven incorrect.

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33 minutes ago, Patine said:

Oh? "Political power is exercised through the barrel of the gun," Mao Zedong, reiterated by Che Guevera, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, the Naxalites, Abdel Gamer Nasser, Robert Mugabe, Jacob Zuma, Yoweri Museveni, and many more Communist/Socialist/Marxist revolutionary leaders. Tell me that's an anti-gun quote there. Especially when it's usually said in a rallying speech to Kalashnikov-toting militias ready to go out and use their Kalashnikovs imminently.

Of course it's an anti-gun quote. Perhaps the most anti-gun quote I've heard in a while.

28 minutes ago, Patine said:

However, I'm starting to believe that your simple claim of just "getting a dime" is not solely for "peace on the forum" but because you cannot articulate a defense of your obtuse viewpoints in a way that stands up coherently and rationally without falling back on old saws, stereotypes, buzzwords, urban legends, and long debunked myths. Although I will push that issue, it is a thesis I will continue to believe, in my heart, until proven incorrect.

You can believe whatever you'd like sir, but I won't be roused into a debate no one will emerge from victorious.

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

Of course it's an anti-gun quote. Perhaps the most anti-gun quote I've heard in a while.

I'm not trying to start a fiery debate in this case - I'm just curious at how and why you assess Mao's quote this way. He, like Hamilton and Jefferson, believed in a nation defended by armed citizen-militias of patriots over reliance on professional armies.

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3 minutes ago, Patine said:

I'm not trying to start a fiery debate in this case - I'm just curious at how and why you assess Mao's quote this way. He, like Hamilton and Jefferson, believed in a nation defended by armed citizen-militias of patriots over reliance on professional armies.

I disagree, political power is enforced through the barrel of a gun. So who does he want to have power is also the people he wants to have guns. Those being himself and those he commands, nobody else. Hamilton and Jefferson would agree with his quote, but in a radically different context that it is all people who should enforce political power so all should have guns whereas totalitarian Mao does not believed in an armed public, only an armed state.

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

I disagree, political power is enforced through the barrel of a gun. So who does he want to have power is also the people he wants to have guns. Those being himself and those he commands, nobody else. Hamilton and Jefferson would agree with his quote, but in a radically different context that it is all people who should enforce political power so all should have guns whereas totalitarian Mao does not believed in an armed public, only an armed state.

I think you're confusing Mao ideologically for Stalin, or Kim, or Tito, or Hoxha, or later Chinese leaders like Hu and Xi. I will ask you this - as a sober, serious question - do and understand the difference between different Communist leaders ideologically, in doctrine, and in their approach to, and application of, Marxist philosophy, and the difference between the political camps of Communism created and schismed due to these differences, or do you just know of, and understand, Communism as a single, homogenous, unified, and uniform ideology? Please be honest here.

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2 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

I disagree, political power is enforced through the barrel of a gun. So who does he want to have power is also the people he wants to have guns. Those being himself and those he commands, nobody else. Hamilton and Jefferson would agree with his quote, but in a radically different context that it is all people who should enforce political power so all should have guns whereas totalitarian Mao does not believed in an armed public, only an armed state.

Well actually in Maoist China colleges factories villages etc. were expected to have their own militias, and even today people are still allowed to have rifles for hunting. It wasn't until Deng Xiaoping that the militias were phased out. Also I doubt Hamilton and Jefferson would be so keen on blacks or women or any of those "subhumans" owning a gun.

 

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Just now, WVProgressive said:

Well actually in Maoist China colleges factories villages etc. were expected to have their own militias, and even today people are still allowed to have rifles for hunting. It wasn't until Deng Xiaoping that the militias were phased out. Also I doubt Hamilton and Jefferson would be so keen on blacks or women or any of those "subhumans" owning a gun.

 

Given that Hamilton was an outspoken abolitionist and Jefferson paved the way for equal protection under law I wouldn't be so hasty.

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3 hours ago, WVProgressive said:

No, many leftists are pro gun, unlike many many liberals. Just because I quoted Marx doesn't mean that Marxists have a monopoly on being pro-gun leftists, and while you're right Ojeda and leftists aren't the same I was simply stating the fact that you don't need to be a conservative to support gun rights. 

Yeah I’m from Texas and the grand majority of Democrat are pro-gun (although open to reasonable control). Although I live in PA now, I’m really a fence sitter on guns. I’m more likely to let the majority decide. Regarding abortion I’ll let the majority of women speak for me. While I favor public schools, I support private school vouchers at some level.  I consider myself very progressive but I focus my Progressivism in areas that I see as critical and have a large range of tolerance towards the areas I don’t see as critical. If I were in Congress I’d use these flexible issues as compromise areas for areas that I see as more important. 

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3 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Jefferson paved the way for equal protection under law I wouldn't be so hasty.

He also raped his female slaves so...

6 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Hamilton was an outspoken abolitionist

For economic reasons, he didn't really view blacks as fully human.

 

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7 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Given that Hamilton was an outspoken abolitionist and Jefferson paved the way for equal protection under law I wouldn't be so hasty.

Though Hamilton, one of the principle architects of the Electoral College, had as one of it's biggest reasons for existing his belief in the lack of competence and trustworthy decision-making of the common voter and that a helping hand, and control filter was needed to stop the electorate from doing he, in his elitist and condescending view of the common citizen, would consider foolish and stupid - like elect a bombastic, vapid, vitriolic populist like Donald Trump President for instance. Jefferson, while paving the path to equality, was himself highly egotistical and narcissistic, probably only matched among other U.S. Presidents by Andrew Jackson, Donald Trump, and maybe Theodore Roosevelt.

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