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Article 5  

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  1. 1. Which version of Article 5 should we adopt for our Constitution? (view the first post to see how each proposal is different)

    • Choice 1 (jnewt proposal)
    • Choice 2 (jvikings1 proposal)
    • Choice 3 (Thunder proposal)
    • Choice 4 (Patine proposal)

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  • Poll closed on 08/12/2018 at 02:09 AM

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Forum Constitutional Convention Vote on Article 5

Changes from the U.S. Constitution are marked by underline (for additions/modifications) and strikethrough (for removed text)

Choice 1The Congress, whenever two thirds of its members shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fifths of the several states, or by conventions in three fifths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Congress. (jnewt proposal)

Choice 2The Congress, whenever two thirds of its members shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Congress. (jvikings1 proposal)

Choice 3The Congress, whenever two thirds of its members shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress. provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Congress.

The People, whenever a majority of its citizens in a majority of states shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of two thirds of the population, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when approved by two thirds of the population at the time of the next congressional election after the proposal of the amendment(s). (Thunder proposal)

Choice 4The Congress, whenever a majority of all its sitting members (and not just those members who attend the session) shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by either of the following methods:

  • two-thirds of State legislatures outright, or,
  • one-half of State legislatures with good "regional distribution" and a majority in a popular referendum 

If it proved to be of disastrous effect in application, it could be relatively easily repealed within the first ten years after being enacted. (Patine proposal)

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, jnewt said:

Forum Constitutional Convention Vote on Article 5

Changes from the U.S. Constitution are marked by underline (for additions/modifications) and strikethrough (for removed text)

Choice 1The Congress, whenever two thirds of its members shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fifths of the several states, or by conventions in three fifths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Congress. (jnewt proposal)

Choice 2The Congress, whenever two thirds of its members shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Congress. (jvikings1 proposal)

Choice 3The Congress, whenever two thirds of its members shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress. provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Congress.

The People, whenever a majority of its citizens in a majority of states shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of two thirds of the population, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when approved by two thirds of the population at the time of the next congressional election after the proposal of the amendment(s). (Thunder proposal)

Choice 4The Congress, whenever a majority of all its sitting members (and not just those members who attend the session) shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by either of the following methods:

  • two-thirds of State legislatures outright, or,
  • one-half of State legislatures with good "regional distribution" and a majority in a popular referendum 

If it proved to be of disastrous effect in application, it could be relatively easily repealed within the first ten years after being enacted. (Patine proposal)

 

 

 

I would like to vote for none of them, can you add that option?

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10 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

I would like to vote for none of them, can you add that option?

Same but @jvikings1 seems to make the most sense.

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9 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

I would like to vote for none of them, can you add that option?

Well if we're going to allow for the Constitution to be amended, we need to adopt one of these proposals for Article 5. Do you believe we shouldn't allow for the Constitution to be amended? If so, I'll add an option for not including Article 5 in our Constitution.

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3 minutes ago, jnewt said:

Well if we're going to allow for the Constitution to be amended, we need to adopt one of these proposals for Article 5. Do you believe we shouldn't allow for the Constitution to be amended? If so, I'll add an option for not including Article 5 in our Constitution.

I don't think we should change Article 5.

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

I don't think we should change Article 5.

Then you should vote for @jvikings1's proposal. The part that has been removed only concerns amendments passed before 1808. Since we're essentially creating our own Constitution, there won't be any amendments passed before 1808, meaning that section of the Article is pointless. Otherwise, it's the exact same as Article 5 in the U.S. Constitution.

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5 minutes ago, jnewt said:

Then you should vote for @jvikings1's proposal. The part that has been removed only concerns amendments passed before 1808. Since we're essentially creating our own Constitution, there won't be any amendments passed before 1808, meaning that section of the Article is pointless. Otherwise, it's the exact same as Article 5 in the U.S. Constitution.

I don't believe that we should remove that bit of history.

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2 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

I don't believe that we should remove that bit of history.

But what we're doing is essentially writing a Constitution for a new country/government. It doesn't really make sense to prevent amendments from being passed 200 years before we created our Constitution. 

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13 minutes ago, jnewt said:

But what we're doing is essentially writing a Constitution for a new country/government. It doesn't really make sense to prevent amendments from being passed 200 years before we created our Constitution. 

sigh AAAALRIGHT

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7 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

sigh AAAALRIGHT

I'm sorry 😂😂😂

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