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Inspired by @MBDemSoc I will start to simulate the scenarios of @vcczar from 1788 on. I will also create a thread in which I will just post the Presidents and their Vice Presidents. To determine which candidates are running I am using a dice roll. The chance that an incumbent is running again is slightly higher. I will not speculate or write on the terms, it is pure simulation for fun and statistical purposes. Feedback and discussion is always welcome, probably better in this thread (the other one should be a compact overview). Hopefully you will enjoy.

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Election of 1788

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

  • John Adams
  • Samuel Adams
  • John Hancock
  • Benjamin Franklin
  • George Clinton
  • William Maclay
  • Patrick Henry
  • Henry Laurens
  • Horatio Gates
  • George Mason
  • James Madison
  • Thomas Jefferson

Although falling short 1 EV Benjamin Franklin won the election and John Hancock was elected as his VP. However, Franklin died in office and Hancock succeeded him to the Presidency.

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Election of 1792

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

  • John Hancock
  • Aaron Burr
  • George Clinton
  • Artemas Ward
  • Patrick Henry
  • Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
  • William Maclay
  • Robert Morris
  • James Wilson
  • Thomas Jefferson

Although falling again short of 1 EV Thomas Jefferson won the election and George Clinton was elected as his VP. Incumbent President Hancock got only the 4th most EVs.

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8 minutes ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Election of 1788

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

  • John Adams
  • Samuel Adams
  • John Hancock
  • Benjamin Franklin
  • George Clinton
  • William Maclay
  • Patrick Henry
  • Henry Laurens
  • Horatio Gates
  • George Mason
  • James Madison
  • Thomas Jefferson

Although falling short 1 EV Benjamin Franklin won the election and John Hancock was elected as his VP. However, Franklin died in office and Hancock succeeded him to the Presidency.

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I just noticed something that should be fixed, or at least made an option for older scenarios. In 1788-1860, not all States gave their EV's as solid bloc, not broke them up by Congressional District like Nebraska and Maine today - some of them just split their EV's, often in odd ways. Without this mechanic available, I feel many of these early elections (1788 ESPECIALLY, as well as 1792 and 1824) get really distorted in results.

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1 hour ago, Patine said:

I just noticed something that should be fixed, or at least made an option for older scenarios. In 1788-1860, not all States gave their EV's as solid bloc, not broke them up by Congressional District like Nebraska and Maine today - some of them just split their EV's, often in odd ways. Without this mechanic available, I feel many of these early elections (1788 ESPECIALLY, as well as 1792 and 1824) get really distorted in results.

Yeah this would add more realism

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Election of 1796

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

  • George Clinton
  • Thomas Pinckney
  • Robert Morris
  • James Iredell
  • Thomas Jefferson

Falling again short of just 1 EV (Is this a bug?) Thomas Jefferson won re-election and Thomas Pinckney was elected as his VP. Incumbent Vice President Clinton was one 1 EV short of Pinckney.

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Election of 1800

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

  • George Clinton
  • Fisher Ames
  • John Jay
  • Thomas Jefferson

Falling again short of just 1 EV (ok it seems to be a bug) John Jay was elected President and incumbent Presidnet Thomas Jefferson was elected as his VP.

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Election of 1804

We are now entering the new electoral system with primaries!

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

Federalists:

  • John Jay
  • John Adams

Republicans:

  • Thomas Jefferson
  • James Madison
  • James Monroe

Incumbent President John Jay won his primary, incumbent Vice President and former President Thomas Jefferson did so as well. John Jay chose Assoc. Justice of the SC Bushrod Washington as his VP candidate, Jefferson chose Amb. Levi Lincoln.

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Jefferson/Lincoln prevailed against Jay/Washington. John Jay faced a crushing election defeat and Thomas Jefferson was elected President to a 3rd non-consecutive term.

 

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8 minutes ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Election of 1804

We are now entering the new electoral system with primaries!

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

Federalists:

  • John Jay
  • John Adams

Republicans:

  • Thomas Jefferson
  • James Madison
  • James Monroe

Incumbent President John Jay won his primary, incumbent Vice President and former President Thomas Jefferson did so as well. John Jay chose Assoc. Justice of the SC Bushrod Washington as his VP candidate, Jefferson chose Amb. Levi Lincoln.

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Jefferson/Lincoln prevailed against Jay/Washington. John Jay faced a crushing election defeat and Thomas Jefferson was elected President to a 3rd non-consecutive term.

 

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I hate to bring this up, but I highly doubt that John Jay being President from 1801-1805 would have been able to purchase Louisiana because of his known antagonistic attitude toward France in general (he was always very public, after the Jay Treaty was signed - which was named after him - that UK was by far the horse to back in the long-standing Franco-British enmity).

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15 minutes ago, Patine said:

I hate to bring this up, but I highly doubt that John Jay being President from 1801-1805 would have been able to purchase Louisiana because of his known antagonistic attitude toward France in general (he was always very public, after the Jay Treaty was signed - which was named after him - that UK was by far the horse to back in the long-standing Franco-British enmity).

We can discuss whatever you want, so no need to hate what you have brought up. The argument might be true, but as I stated I do not make any timeline changes, as I just want to simulate the Presidents and Vice Presidents. Therefore, I am going to use the scenarios as if there had been no changes due to the different presidencies. 

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Election of 1808

We are now entering the new electoral system with primaries!

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

Federalists:

  • Alexander Hamilton

Republicans:

  • Thomas Jefferson
  • Aaron Burr

Northern Republicans:

  • DeWitt Clinton

Incumbent President Thomas Jefferson won his primary, Hamilton won his primary unopposed. Jefferson dropped Levi Lincoln Sr. as VP and chose former VP George Clinton, Hamilton chose CC Pinckney. The Northern Republicans fielded DeWitt Clinton as candidate, who chose Jared Ingersoll as VP candidate. However, the Southern Republicans did not field any candidate.

VP candidates:

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Election of 1812

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

Independent Fusion:

  • DeWitt Clinton

Republicans:

  • Thomas Jefferson
  • James Monroe
  • William H. Crawford
  • Andrew Jackson
  • William Henry Harrison
  • John Quincy Adams

Federalists:

  • Rufus King
  • Harrison Gray Otis
  • John Adams

Incumbent President Thomas Jefferson won his primary, which was heavily contested as people begin to view it unfavorable that Jefferson does not want to retire, The Indepenent Fusion ticket saw DeWitt Clinton/Jared Ingersoll as their nominees. The Federalists nominated Rufus King. 

Thomas Jefferson/John Langdon

Rufus King/John Adams

DeWitt Clinton/Jared Ingersoll

VP candidates:

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The executive branch would have evolved so much more differently had Franklin been president. He was nearly physically infirm (mentally intact though). The cabinet would have more power. The legislature even more advisory powers. The overall model would not be nearly exclusively British-based. The political appointments would have been much more balanced (Washington appointed only three non-Federalists to any office. Jefferson resigned and Monroe and Randolph were compelled to resign when Washington was angry with them.). 

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Election of 1816

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

 

Republicans:

  • Thomas Jefferson
  • James Monroe
  • William H. Crawford
  • Andrew Jackson
  • William Henry Harrison
  • John Quincy Adams
  • DeWitt Clinton

Federalists:

  • John Jay

Incumbent President Thomas Jefferson was heavily challenged in his primary contest and subsequently lost the nomination to James Monroe, Monroe went on to chose Simon Snyder as his VP. Former President Jay went on to win his primary unopposed and chose Chief Justice John Marshall.

 

VP candidates:

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15 hours ago, vcczar said:

The executive branch would have evolved so much more differently had Franklin been president. He was nearly physically infirm (mentally intact though). The cabinet would have more power. The legislature even more advisory powers. The overall model would not be nearly exclusively British-based. The political appointments would have been much more balanced (Washington appointed only three non-Federalists to any office. Jefferson resigned and Monroe and Randolph were compelled to resign when Washington was angry with them.). 

Thanks for this contribution. As I do not know so much about the people running years ago, that's the kind of commentary I am curious for.

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Election of 1820

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

Republicans:

  • Henry Clay
  • James Monroe
  • John Quincy Adams
  • Andrew Jackson
  • Aaron Burr
  • James Madison

Federalists:

  • Daniel Webster
  • Rufus King

Incumbent President James Monroe was heavily challenged in a heated primary contest and lost the nomination to Andrew Jackson. Jackson chose John Quincy Adams as his VP nominee. Rufus King won the Federalist primary and chose Former President John Jay as his running mate. Parties not listed below declined according to the dice roll to field a candidate. Jackson/Admas won in a landslide.

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Election of 1824

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

  • Andrew Jackson
  • John C. Calhoun
  • John Randolph
  • Martin Van Buren
  • Rufus King
  • William Wirt
  • Richard Rush
  • William Henry Harrison

Personally I do not like the election of 1824 very much. That's not because of @jvikings1 making the scenario instead of @vcczar, but because it was quite a mess in RL.

Jackson/Gallatin finished 5th according to the EVs. John C. Calhoun chose William R. King as his running mate and won the election.

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Election of 1828

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

Democrats:

  • Andrew Jackson
  • John C. Calhoun

National Republicans:

  • Daniel Webster
  • John Quincy Adams
  • Henry Clay

Anti-Mason:

  • William Wirt

Jackson got his revenge and defeated the incumbent President in the primary. In a phase in which the National Republicans took the lead in polling, Jackson chose the incumbent President as his running mate in order to unite the Democratic Party. Jackson/Calhoun won against John Quincy Adams/Richard Rush.

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Election of 1832

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

A rather unexciting dice roll, all but the incumbent President and the Nullifier-turned VP declined.

Democrats:

  • Andrew Jackson

Nullifiers:

  • John C. Calhoun

The election saw a land-slight victory of Jackson/Van Buren.

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Election of 1836

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

A rather unexciting dice roll, all but the incumbent President and the Nullifier/Western Whigs declined again.

Democrats:

  • Andrew Jackson

Nullifier Whigs:

  • John C. Calhoun:

Western Whigs:

  • William Henry Harrison

The election saw a landslide victory of Jackson/Van Buren.

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Election of 1840

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

A more interesting election than the last two. It is the first time a sitting President declines to seek re-election.

Democrats:

  • Martin Van Buren
  • Lewis Cass
  • Richard Mentor Johnson

Whigs:

  • Winfield Scott
  • William Seward
  • John Quincy Adams

Van Buren/Polk won in a pretty close election (at least closer than the two before) against Adams/Tyler

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Election of 1844

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

Another interesting election. Van Buren also declines to seek re-election.

Democrats:

  • James K. Polk
  • Lewis Cass
  • Levi Woodbury
  • John C. Calhoun

Whigs:

  • Henry Clay
  • William Seward
  • John M. Clayton
  • Daniel Webster
  • John McLean

NDR:

  • John Tyler/George M. Bibb

Polk/Dallas won against Henry Clay/Theodore Freylinghuysen. As we have soemwhat unknown VPs (at least for me) here are some photos.

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Election of 1848

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

A very close election.

Democrats:

  • James K. Polk
  • James Buchanan
  • Levi Woodbury
  • John C. Calhoun

Whigs:

  • Zachary Taylor
  • Winfield Scott
  • John M. Clayton
  • Abraham Lincoln

The Free Soil and Liberty Party declined to nominate candidates.

Polk narrowly won re-election against Zachary Taylor/Millard Fillmore. However, he died a few months after being inaugurated to his 2nd term. William O. Butler succeeded him to the Presidency.

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Election of 1852

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

Butler is not a candidate in this scenario, so we are going to assume that he declined to run for a full term.

Democrats:

  • Lewis Cass
  • Sam Houston

Whigs:

  • Millard Fillmore
  • Daniel Webster
  • Abraham Lincoln

Other parties declined to nominate candidates.

Lewis Cass chose former Vice President William R. King as his running mate. They won in a landslide against Fillmore/Scott. King died less than two months after taking office.

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Election of 1856

According to the dice roll the following had declared to run:

Democrats:

  • Lewis Cass
  • Jefferson Davis
  • William L. Marcy

Republicans:

  • John C. Frémont
  • Nathaniel P. Banks

Millard Fillmore led the American party in to the election, Smith the Liberty Party.

Lewis Cass was defeated in the primary by William L. Marcy. Marcy chose James Buchanan as his running mate, the Republicans went with Charles Sumner as their VP choice. Marcy failed to gain enough EVs and the Republican congress elected Frémont the first Republican president.

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