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"I can’t wait for the vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight" - Milo

he says he was "just trolling"

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Even for Milo this is a bit much

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Just realized you wanted to get his exact quote and pasted it.

Quick tip: if you wanna paste without the format, use ctrl+shift+v instead of ctrl+v. Thank me later. I freaked out when I found out you could do that.

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2 hours ago, NYrepublican said:

"I can’t wait for the vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight" - Milo

he says he was "just trolling"

Whose Milo?

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5 hours ago, Patine said:

Whose Milo?

A right-wing man who is associated with the Alt-Right. He comes from the UK but he came to fame in 2016 for being homosexual and being extremely supportive of Donald Trump. Before that, he was known for going to colleges and universities and giving extremely critical views of Feminism, even going far enough to call it a "cancer". It is unique because although he is extremely openly gay, he is also extremely critical of LGBT rights, and says that being gay is a choice.

After the election, he became really controversial for leaked emails showing him in communication with neo-nazis and white supremacists, despite being raised in a Jewish family, and for being accused of supporting pedophilia, in which a clip came up of him saying that minors and adults can have consensual relationships.

Here's my best at trying to provide a mostly unbiased view of him.

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15 hours ago, Patine said:

Whose Milo?

The latest proof that right-wingers will listen to anybody, regardless of qualifications

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45 minutes ago, pilight said:

The latest proof that right-wingers will listen to anybody, regardless of qualifications

He has a small following and isn't popular among most conservatives.  The media tries to hype up his involvement for the purpose of creating division

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34 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

He has a small following and isn't popular among most conservatives.  The media tries to hype up his involvement for the purpose of creating division

Does he still? I thought the whole fake charity and pedophilia accusations diminished his standing within the alt-right community. Granted, going by my profile picture alone, I don't exactly follow the social circle within that community. 

 

16 hours ago, Patine said:

Whose Milo?

Here is the interview on Bill Maher that should give you a feel of his personality and style. 

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2 hours ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

Does he still? I thought the whole fake charity and pedophilia accusations diminished his standing within the alt-right community. Granted, going by my profile picture alone, I don't exactly follow the social circle within that community.

He and some others like him have joined UKIP in the UK and are trying to take it over.  They may have a chance considering the mess that the UKIP structure has been and the willingness of many to change it's oath from a more libertarian-esque party to more like other populist parties in Europe.  But, alt-righters are not conservatives.  They may try and pose as them to get attention, but a large number of them do not adhere to conservative principles.  So, I don't really pay much attention to who they are accepting these days.  I'd assume that he still has some standing among those circles but it's just a guess on my part.

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2 hours ago, jvikings1 said:

He and some others like him have joined UKIP in the UK and are trying to take it over.  They may have a chance considering the mess that the UKIP structure has been and the willingness of many to change it's oath from a more libertarian-esque party to more like other populist parties in Europe.  But, alt-righters are not conservatives.  They may try and pose as them to get attention, but a large number of them do not adhere to conservative principles.  So, I don't really pay much attention to who they are accepting these days.  I'd assume that he still has some standing among those circles but it's just a guess on my part.

I know we are parsing hairs, but I feel alt-right is culturally conservative. On economics, I agree with you, there is nothing conservative(think Reagan-era conservative of cutting social/government spending, and free trade) of their economic outlook. There is an excellent Atlantic article  about Trump, and his ideological similarities to UKIP and FN; as opposed to traditional conservatives. It might be two years old, but I'm curious if this is in line with how you see the alt-right. Note I'm not saying all of Trump supporters are alt-right, but nearly all of the alt-right are pro-Trump. 

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11 minutes ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

I know we are parsing hairs, but I feel alt-right is culturally conservative. On economics, I agree with you, there is nothing conservative(think Reagan-era conservative of cutting social/government spending, and free trade) of their economic outlook. There is an excellent Atlantic article  about Trump, and his ideological similarities to UKIP and FN; as opposed to traditional conservatives. It might be two years old, but I'm curious if this is in line with how you see the alt-right. Note I'm not saying all of Trump supporters are alt-right, but nearly all of the alt-right are pro-Trump. 

I think of the alt-right as authoritarian instead of conservative.  As to the article, I see it as showing the dissatisfaction of voters rather than a portrayal of the alt-right.  I know people like to compare the Tea Party in Trump, but I think there are some major differences to point out.  The Tea Party was very concerned about the growth in government (more in line with traditional conservatism) while Trump doesn't put that at anywhere close to the same priority.  To compare to international politics, UKIP was (at the time) more like the Tea Party (due to the influence that Thatcherism had on the party) while Trump's election was closer to the FN in France.  Obviously this isn't a perfect analogy, but it can be used to see the differences.

I see the alt-right as more like the BNP, National Front (UK), FN under Jean-Marie Le Pen, Golden Dawn, etc.  They are under the fascist, neo-Nazi, racist, authoritarian, economic nationalism, etc. umbrella.

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2 hours ago, jvikings1 said:

I think of the alt-right as authoritarian instead of conservative.  As to the article, I see it as showing the dissatisfaction of voters rather than a portrayal of the alt-right.  I know people like to compare the Tea Party in Trump, but I think there are some major differences to point out.  The Tea Party was very concerned about the growth in government (more in line with traditional conservatism) while Trump doesn't put that at anywhere close to the same priority.  To compare to international politics, UKIP was (at the time) more like the Tea Party (due to the influence that Thatcherism had on the party) while Trump's election was closer to the FN in France.  Obviously this isn't a perfect analogy, but it can be used to see the differences.

I see the alt-right as more like the BNP, National Front (UK), FN under Jean-Marie Le Pen, Golden Dawn, etc.  They are under the fascist, neo-Nazi, racist, authoritarian, economic nationalism, etc. umbrella.

The Alt-Right movement is hair-brained, immature, vitriolic, sensationalist, iconoclastic, headless movement that appeals to angry people at the gut, not the intellectual, level. However, two things that are important to consider. First, Trump is NOT Alt-Right - he was merely associated as such in much of the zeitgeist because of Steve Bannon's in his election (and his erstwhile spoils of an appointment for that). I am fully willing to concede that fact. Second, the Alt-Right movement is no more "classical Fascist" than the Workers' Party is "classical Communist" and no more "classical Conservative" than Morelos in Bolivia is "classical Social Democratic."

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6 hours ago, jvikings1 said:

I think of the alt-right as authoritarian instead of conservative.  As to the article, I see it as showing the dissatisfaction of voters rather than a portrayal of the alt-right.  I know people like to compare the Tea Party in Trump, but I think there are some major differences to point out.  The Tea Party was very concerned about the growth in government (more in line with traditional conservatism) while Trump doesn't put that at anywhere close to the same priority.  To compare to international politics, UKIP was (at the time) more like the Tea Party (due to the influence that Thatcherism had on the party) while Trump's election was closer to the FN in France.  Obviously this isn't a perfect analogy, but it can be used to see the differences.

I see the alt-right as more like the BNP, National Front (UK), FN under Jean-Marie Le Pen, Golden Dawn, etc.  They are under the fascist, neo-Nazi, racist, authoritarian, economic nationalism, etc. umbrella.

Authoritarian, but with an emphasis on culture. Remember Stalinism was an authoritarian ideology but with a strong leftwing economic presence. But that aside, I fully agree with your views on this: in that the alt-right cares about nothing but total control of our society. 

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On 6/30/2018 at 5:48 PM, Sunnymentoaddict said:

I know we are parsing hairs, but I feel alt-right is culturally conservative. On economics, I agree with you, there is nothing conservative(think Reagan-era conservative of cutting social/government spending, and free trade) of their economic outlook. There is an excellent Atlantic article  about Trump, and his ideological similarities to UKIP and FN; as opposed to traditional conservatives. It might be two years old, but I'm curious if this is in line with how you see the alt-right. Note I'm not saying all of Trump supporters are alt-right, but nearly all of the alt-right are pro-Trump. 

The Alt-Right can be summed up, in my opinion, as believing that Big Government can work and that near Socialistic policies can work, if it weren't for minorities screwing it all up. Therefore I relent in calling them conservative.

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1 minute ago, Reagan04 said:

The Alt-Right can be summed up, in my opinion, as believing that Big Government can work and that near Socialistic policies can work, if it weren't for minorities screwing it all up. Therefore I relent in calling them conservative.

In truth, aversion to Big Government in and of itself is a plank of Libertarianism (as well as Anarchism, as in the extreme experimental socialist movement) and a few other ideologies (including Pirate Party politics), and parties and politicians influenced to some degree by them. In actual fact, the majority of political ideologies and stances that fall under the large "conservative" part of the right-wing of the political spectrum embrace and even relish "Big Government," to be honest.

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

In truth, aversion to Big Government in and of itself is a plank of Libertarianism (as well as Anarchism, as in the extreme experimental socialist movement) and a few other ideologies (including Pirate Party politics), and parties and politicians influenced to some degree by them. In actual fact, the majority of political ideologies and stances that fall under the large "conservative" part of the right-wing of the political spectrum embrace and even relish "Big Government," to be honest.

True. An expansive military and restriction on civil rights is pretty big government to me.

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1 hour ago, Patine said:

In truth, aversion to Big Government in and of itself is a plank of Libertarianism (as well as Anarchism, as in the extreme experimental socialist movement) and a few other ideologies (including Pirate Party politics), and parties and politicians influenced to some degree by them. In actual fact, the majority of political ideologies and stances that fall under the large "conservative" part of the right-wing of the political spectrum embrace and even relish "Big Government," to be honest.

You're right to an extent. I think American Conservatism has repurposed it to mean a bunch of small Governments under one larger government that is only Big when dealing with affairs outside of the nation. As for the Civil Liberties, the small governments (little s) get to exercise some Big Government (Big G) powers. Federalism in short.

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11 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

The Alt-Right can be summed up, in my opinion, as believing that Big Government can work and that near Socialistic policies can work, if it weren't for minorities screwing it all up. Therefore I relent in calling them conservative.

I agree with the general tone of the statement(though disagree with calling it socialist lol). But alt-right supporters are more likely to support public welfare policies such as "Food Stamps" and Social Security- something I doubt you would support, given your user name. 

 

 

9 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

You're right to an extent. I think American Conservatism has repurposed it to mean a bunch of small Governments under one larger government that is only Big when dealing with affairs outside of the nation. As for the Civil Liberties, the small governments (little s) get to exercise some Big Government (Big G) powers. Federalism in short.

There's two wings of conservatism that I see. Religious conservatism. Which is big in the south, and try to legislate morality through laws based on Judeo-Christian principals. And the libertarian conservatives(big out west). Which believe in small government to protect civil liberties. I tend to agree with Senators such as Rand Paul at times in regards to issues like NSA spying- where we both agree the government is overstepping its boundries. 

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4 hours ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

I agree with the general tone of the statement(though disagree with calling it socialist lol). But alt-right supporters are more likely to support public welfare policies such as "Food Stamps" and Social Security- something I doubt you would support, given your user name. 

 

 

There's two wings of conservatism that I see. Religious conservatism. Which is big in the south, and try to legislate morality through laws based on Judeo-Christian principals. And the libertarian conservatives(big out west). Which believe in small government to protect civil liberties. I tend to agree with Senators such as Rand Paul at times in regards to issues like NSA spying- where we both agree the government is overstepping its boundries. 

Actually, truth be told, there are many, many branches of conservativism. It's a big part of the right wing of the spectrum, and long predates Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, George Clinton, and the Democratic-Republican Party of the early United States (who, ironically, are only considered conservative in retrospect and certainly were not considered conservative or right-wing in their own day and age), and even predates Christianity (also Christ and the Early Church were not AT ALL considered conservative or right-wing prior to the conversion of Roman Emperor Constantine I (the Great), at the very earliest). Conservativism, as I've heard it once defined, is "a movement that dates back in recorded history to when there have been any movements that challenge long-held traditions of belief, governance, culture, and ways of life in a society that have become entrenched, and "conservatism" being the socio-political reaction to these challenges and movements demanding change and reform and to reaffirm and reestablish the traditional points of view as they see them to be proper in their society." A very generic definition and political concept that has really been with us since early antiquity.

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