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7 minutes ago, Patine said:

@jvikings1 Do you have an archived or old news article on this story? I may have been misinformed on the actual parameters of what was going on.

He allowed them to buy a pre-made cake he just refused to cater specifically to the wedding because it was a gay wedding.

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5 minutes ago, Patine said:

@jvikings1 Do you have an archived or old news article on this story? I may have been misinformed on the actual parameters of what was going on.

https://people.com/food/supreme-court-gay-wedding-cake-ruling/

Here's the case that was just ruled on (It must be noted that the issue wasn't totally resolved, just sent back to the commission).

10 minutes ago, Patine said:

I thought the case was serving a cake itself. That's always been how it was presented to me.

It wouldn't surprise me if this has happened in another case.  Which, setting aside legal arguments, is not right.  In this instance, it would be putting one sin above another.  Would they deny a product to someone who cheated on their spouse or watched pornography?  All three cases are sexual sin.

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Just now, NYrepublican said:

He allowed them to buy a pre-made cake he just refused to cater specifically to the wedding because it was a gay wedding.

Was their a difference in quality? There are muffin and donut shops that offer a slight discount on "day-old donuts," but they're dry, stale crap.

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1 minute ago, jvikings1 said:

https://people.com/food/supreme-court-gay-wedding-cake-ruling/

Here's the case that was just ruled on (It must be noted that the issue wasn't totally resolved, just sent back to the commission).

It wouldn't surprise me if this has happened in another case.  Which, setting aside legal arguments, is not right.  In this instance, it would be putting one sin above another.  Would they deny a product to someone who cheated on their spouse or watched pornography?  All three cases are sexual sin.

Or a Catholic baker being asked to make a cake for a divorce party...

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4 minutes ago, Patine said:

Was their a difference in quality? There are muffin and donut shops that offer a slight discount on "day-old donuts," but they're dry, stale crap.

not from the summaries I read. 

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7 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

He allowed them to buy a pre-made cake he just refused to cater specifically to the wedding because it was a gay wedding.

This is true.

5 minutes ago, Patine said:

Was their a difference in quality? There are muffin and donut shops that offer a slight discount on "day-old donuts," but they're dry, stale crap.

Probably not in taste, but in presentation. They'd be generic wedding cakes.

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37 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

However, serving a gay wedding would be participating in something which goes against Biblical teachings

Oh?  I am unaware of Christ ever saying anything about gay weddings.

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28 minutes ago, pilight said:

Oh?  I am unaware of Christ ever saying anything about gay weddings.

Regardless of whether or not it is a religious issue, it's a legal issue first. The beauty of capitalism is that while the owner can refuse service to an individual, the consumer has the right to take their business somewhere else and refuse to shop there (or, you know, literally cry in your car and sue the owner lmao)

Additionally, Christians do not get all of their teachings and principles from Jesus himself. There's this handy dandy little book called the Bible which goes more in depth on the subjects. (I for one support gay rights, and recognize them as civil rights, however, the right to refuse service trumps a consumers right to be served)

I guarantee everybody here on the side of the gay couple would be on the side of the baker if the baker was Jewish/Black and the couple were Nazis/KKK members. Most of you on the left are too blinded by your own partisanship and automatically jump to the side of the gay couple because gay = good and business = bad. (I am strong left on social issues, but I can recognize what rights are more important than others)

The Supreme Court doesn't give a shit about whether or not religion is involved because to them it isn't a session on gays vs anti-gay it is literally a case on the right to be served vs the right to be denied service.

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I agree with the court's decision.  Going the other way would mean some poor sign maker would be obligated to make "God Hates..." stuff for the Westboro loonies.

All true Christian beliefs and principles spring from Christ.  Hence the name.  Or, as it says in Hebrews "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God".

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2 hours ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Regardless of whether or not it is a religious issue, it's a legal issue first. The beauty of capitalism is that while the owner can refuse service to an individual, the consumer has the right to take their business somewhere else and refuse to shop there (or, you know, literally cry in your car and sue the owner lmao)

Additionally, Christians do not get all of their teachings and principles from Jesus himself. There's this handy dandy little book called the Bible which goes more in depth on the subjects. (I for one support gay rights, and recognize them as civil rights, however, the right to refuse service trumps a consumers right to be served)

I guarantee everybody here on the side of the gay couple would be on the side of the baker if the baker was Jewish/Black and the couple were Nazis/KKK members. Most of you on the left are too blinded by your own partisanship and automatically jump to the side of the gay couple because gay = good and business = bad. (I am strong left on social issues, but I can recognize what rights are more important than others)

The Supreme Court doesn't give a shit about whether or not religion is involved because to them it isn't a session on gays vs anti-gay it is literally a case on the right to be served vs the right to be denied service.

You misunderstood me. I specifically stated the decision was Constitutionally and legally sound. I was just questioning whether or not the baker was truly genuine and sincere using religious freedom from a Christian perspective or not (not a legal matter - just one of respect, taste, and sincere faith in what one claims to adhere to).

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So selfish decision from you Justice Kennedy.Now we are gonna have another Trumpinazi on court.

GOD SAVE RUTH BADEN GINSBURG!

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Kennedy's retirement is the best thing that could have happened to the Republicans for the mid-terms.  They should let the Democrats drag the process out so that the right-to-lifers will be motivated to go to the polls in November.

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12 minutes ago, pilight said:

Kennedy's retirement is the best thing that could have happened to the Republicans for the mid-terms.  They should let the Democrats drag the process out so that the right-to-lifers will be motivated to go to the polls in November.

Oh right?!Why wasnt that crowd offended when GOP obstructed Garrlands nomination because "oh god it cannot be done in election year or Mitch McTurtle will cry"!

 

 

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2 hours ago, pilight said:

Kennedy's retirement is the best thing that could have happened to the Republicans for the mid-terms.  They should let the Democrats drag the process out so that the right-to-lifers will be motivated to go to the polls in November.

There's the threat of liberals being motivated to get out and vote as well, so this could easily backfire.

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1 minute ago, jvikings1 said:

There's the threat of liberals being motivated to get out and vote as well, so this could easily backfire.

I think you are right. My sister(I know, antidotal evidence is best evidence lol) is fairly apolitical, but leans right-she voted for Kasich in the Texas primary- texted me, "Is it true that they[the court] can ban abortion?"

I can imagine the gender gap between the two parties get wider as women feel the nominated justice will be a threat to their 9th amendment right of privacy between themselves and their doctor; And the current fuel for the "Blue Wave" has been women of all backgrounds that feel Trump has not been representing their values. 

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I know this is unrelated but I need to know

 I accidentally put in the tape before turning on the VCR (I though it was plugged in) and now it won't eject nor play how do I get the tape out? @Sunnymentoaddict @Patine

 @vcczar

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4 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

I know this is unrelated but I need to know

 I accidentally put in the tape before turning on the VCR (I though it was plugged in) and now it won't eject nor play how do I get the tape out? @Sunnymentoaddict @Patine

 @vcczar

Hahaha. God, I haven't used a VCR since...2003ish. And I was in middle school then, so no idea. 

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4 minutes ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

Hahaha. God, I haven't used a VCR since...2003ish. And I was in middle school then, so no idea. 

I'm trying to convert VHS to DVD/other media format for some $

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14 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

I know this is unrelated but I need to know

 I accidentally put in the tape before turning on the VCR (I though it was plugged in) and now it won't eject nor play how do I get the tape out? @Sunnymentoaddict @Patine

 @vcczar

Unplug the VCR, wait a few minutes, then plug it back in, turn it on, and try to eject again.

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Just now, pilight said:

Unplug the VCR, wait a few minutes, then plug it back in, turn it on, and try to eject again.

thanks

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37 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

There's the threat of liberals being motivated to get out and vote as well, so this could easily backfire.

While most people are pro-choice, the pro-lifers are more apt to be single issue voters.

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23 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

I'm trying to convert VHS to DVD/other media format for some $

Ah. Still off the original topic, I know there is a good black market for old Disney movies(from the VHS era) on modern formats. Not saying, I support it or anything. 

That said, back on topic: will the Senate confirm a justice before the November election? Yay or nay?

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21 minutes ago, pilight said:

Unplug the VCR, wait a few minutes, then plug it back in, turn it on, and try to eject again.

i just plugged back in and tested

It still wouldn't eject (This is one of the earliests VCR's though.)

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23 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

i just plugged back in and tested

It still wouldn't eject (This is one of the earliests VCR's though.)

Second option is to press and hold the power button and eject button at the same time.  On many models that forces an ejection.

Third option is get a screwdriver and open the thing up.

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5 hours ago, pilight said:

Kennedy's retirement is the best thing that could have happened to the Republicans for the mid-terms.  They should let the Democrats drag the process out so that the right-to-lifers will be motivated to go to the polls in November.

Again, probably going to start another firestorm, but the term "pro-life" really bugs. It's a blatant and insulting-to-the-intelligence few are willing to call out. They are "anti-abortion and anti-euthanasia," plain and simple. Most people (at least in the U.S. and even many in other English-speaking countries) who identify as "pro-life" usually also support some combination of (but not necessarily all of for any given individual) the death penalty, lethal police impunity, military adventurism, high military budgets, cut or minimal public medical coverage (and privatized medical costs having no cap whatsoever), no social security net (leading to potentially people starving in the street who loose their jobs simply due to corporate downsizing, redundancy of their jobs, economic downturns, corporate mergers, their employers going out of business, and other factors beyond their power), cutting of emergency response services to bare bones budget (like the cherished idea the @ThePotatoWalrus mentioned earlier of FEMA cut to the bone because "the States should be handling all their own emergency natural disaster situations, even the if State are highly insufficient because it's not a Federal jurisdiction), sending money and weapons to foreign regimes who fight endless wars and engage in atrocities, protecting "the right to bear arms" as an absolute, without promoting the sense of responsibility of such a right like, say, Switzerland, Sweden, and Finland do, and coupling that with an ultra-violent media influencing for worse (whatever "quackery" @NYrepublican) obviously the mental state of the youth of the nation toward violence, and other cherished policies that lead to vast, vast amounts of deliberate death committed by, or at least endorsed by or ignored by, the government and it's laws, amounts of death that make the real number of abortions and euthanasia a mere drop in bucket to in comparison. THIS is why the absolute insulting self-label of the "pro-life" movement is such an utter lie and so bugs. I wish they would have the decency to call a spade a spade and just call themselves the "anti-abortion/anti-euthanasia" lobby.

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