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1 minute ago, jvikings1 said:

I have not been hoodwinked.  If someone wishes to use money to support a cause they support, then they are free to do so.  That is protected by the 1st Amendment.  Further, regulations restricting to candidates directly leads to back channels being used (like super PACs) which reduces a candidate's ability to control their message and hurts grassroots candidates (benefiting Establishment candidates and incumbents).

Have you watched some of the movies and TV shows or read the novels and graphic novels that were really popular in the '80's about near future dystopias, but, instead of a fascist, communist, Orwellian, or religious base, they were horrid, unvarnished corporate dictatorships with either no meaningful public government, or just a powerless "yesman, rubberstamp" government to the megacorps? That's where the U.S. is definitely headed, and quickly, because of the Citizen's United ruling and similar rulings and laws along such lines that overtly favour the plutocracy. And it seems such a bleak, dark, cynical, dystopian near future has your full support.

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Just now, Patine said:

Have you watched some of the movies and TV shows or read the novels and graphic novels that were really popular in the '80's about near future dystopias, but, instead of a fascist, communist, Orwellian, or religious base, they were horrid, unvarnished corporate dictatorships with either no meaningful public government, or just a powerless "yesman, rubberstamp" government to the megacorps? That's where the U.S. is definitely headed, and quickly, because of the Citizen's United ruling and similar rulings and laws along such lines that overtly favour the plutocracy. And it seems such a bleak, dark, cynical, dystopian near future has your full support.

Doubt it.Grassroots campaigns have serious momentum among both parties. One example is NY-14 where alexandria ocasio cortez accepts no donations above $200.We'll see the results of it tonight.

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1 minute ago, NYrepublican said:

Doubt it.Grassroots campaigns have serious momentum among both parties. One example is NY-14 where alexandria ocasio cortez accepts no donations above $200.We'll see the results of it tonight.

I do not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

I do not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.

I doubt the US is headed toward a corporatist oligarchy.

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7 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

I doubt the US is headed toward a corporatist oligarchy.

The blindfold is for Madame Justice, not for the voters...

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1 hour ago, Patine said:

Have you watched some of the movies and TV shows or read the novels and graphic novels that were really popular in the '80's about near future dystopias, but, instead of a fascist, communist, Orwellian, or religious base, they were horrid, unvarnished corporate dictatorships with either no meaningful public government, or just a powerless "yesman, rubberstamp" government to the megacorps? That's where the U.S. is definitely headed, and quickly, because of the Citizen's United ruling and similar rulings and laws along such lines that overtly favour the plutocracy. And it seems such a bleak, dark, cynical, dystopian near future has your full support.

Money is and has been in politics.  Nothing (not even if the government banned contributions) is going to change that.  It's better for the money to be out in the open where the public can see it and where the candidate can control their own message rather than being forced into back channels which decreases transparency and only benefits those with the means to access those back channels.

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5 minutes ago, pilight said:

If money is speech, then Title III of the USA Patriot Act is unconstitutional

If it's financing illegal activities it's a different thing just as encouraging such non-civil disobedience is prohibited.

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23 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

If it's financing illegal activities it's a different thing just as encouraging such non-civil disobedience is prohibited.

Financing illegal activities was already illegal before the USA Patriot Act.  The Patriot Act made it illegal to carry too much cash on your person and required financial institutions to report any cash activity over a certain amount regardless of purpose.

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3 minutes ago, pilight said:

Financing illegal activities was already illegal before the USA Patriot Act.  The Patriot Act made it illegal to carry too much cash on your person and required financial institutions to report any cash activity over a certain amount regardless of purpose.

Well I was never a huge fan of the patriot act anyway so it's irrelevant

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3 hours ago, Patine said:

You three, like so many others, have been hoodwinked. Money is not speech. No sane or rational person who actually thinks about it would come to that conclusion. The Citizen's United lobby used the lie (and yes, I'm using the word lie here) that money does equate speech to gain support from a large proportion of the population for surrendering their ability to truly choose and hold accountable their elected officials and to sell out their own nation and government willingly to ultra-wealthy plutocrats. The Republic has died, and you three are joyously singing a happy dirge for it!

 

Every dollar is the same whether it comes from Soros or a working class guy who makes <$30,000 a year. The rich and corrupt are going to figure out a way to get money to their candidate somehow and this is basically an unneeded regulation that slows down the process for everyone.

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