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Hello, everyone!

I have decided, after a show of personal interest by @vcczar, and given the fact that this set of scenarios, unlike many of my CI plans, does not require a coalition mechanic be waited for to be implemented, have decided to begin work on six scenarios around the elections of the French Revolution - the period between the Tennis Court Oath and formation of the National Assembly after the first calling of the Estates-General since the mid-1600's to resolve France's massive debt and the Storming of the Bastille in 1789 until the coup by the populist Corsican Field Marshal Napoleon Bonaparte in 1799. These elections include the Legislative Assembly of 1791 (the sole one under the initial attempt at a constitutional monarchy under Louis XVI), the National Convention of 1792, and the two Directory elections, each of which was bicameral with a Council of 500 and a Council of Ancients, and needing two scenarios each. This is the plan as of now.

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4 hours ago, Patine said:

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Hello, everyone!

I have decided, after a show of personal interest by @vcczar, and given the fact that this set of scenarios, unlike many of my CI plans, does not require a coalition mechanic be waited for to be implemented, have decided to begin work on six scenarios around the elections of the French Revolution - the period between the Tennis Court Oath and formation of the National Assembly after the first calling of the Estates-General since the mid-1600's to resolve France's massive debt and the Storming of the Bastille in 1789 until the coup by the populist Corsican Field Marshal Napoleon Bonaparte in 1799. These elections include the Legislative Assembly of 1791 (the sole one under the initial attempt at a constitutional monarchy under Louis XVI), the National Convention of 1792, and the two Directory elections, each of which was bicameral with a Council of 500 and a Council of Ancients, and needing two scenarios each. This is the plan as of now.

If you need any help with party logos or candidate pictures just say as I have experience with both of those sides of campaign creation.

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I look forward to this

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Looks good.

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I am your man!

If I can bring some historical help for events in example I will!

To bring it:

1791: Monarchist victory (264 seats on 750) but independent have 350 and Left 122 (Jacobins).

1792: Jacobin Landslide with 20% of the assembly for the Right "Bourgeoisie" with moderates who want to save the King and 35% to the "Montagnards" who are extremists (Danton Robespierre) the rest 45% is center.

1794: Fall of Robespierre and institution of a 1/3 of assembly and the new senate change per year

1796: Attempted coup against the State by one of the first Communists ever: Gracchus Baboeuf

1797: First election if I am right under the Convention, 1/3 of assembly and Senate decided, monarchists win (they suspend them behind)

1798: Jacobin victory for the 2nd tierce of both assemblies, election suspended and the next will decide 2/3 of both chambers

1799: Jacobin landslide which takes power in parliament and suspend directors (executive rulers), Sieyés calls Bonaparte to make them fall and start a new regime.

Décember 1799: Coup d'état of Napoléon and creation of the Consulat.

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@Patine I can give you a list of notable French Rev political figures. I typed it up about a month ago for a project I was considering working on. 

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@Patine I'm also considering opening up the floodgates to new scenarios over the summer with that MMP calculation app.

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5 hours ago, vcczar said:

@Patine I can give you a list of notable French Rev political figures. I typed it up about a month ago for a project I was considering working on. 

That would be very helpful, though I imagine (though I could very well be wrong) your list would be most optimal for the National Convention of 1792. The Legislative Assembly of 1791 did not include (by their own choice and agreement) anyone who had actually been on the original National Assembly (which was not directly elected) of 1789, but did still include a lot of ideological member of the Jacobin Club, which split during the Convention into the more radical Montagnards and the more moderate Girondins, as well as some Royalists (since the Legislative Assembly was an attempt at a constitutional monarchy with Louis XVI) and another group called the Society of '89, who were reformists, but not republicans or defenders of staunch royal privilege. The original members of the National Assembly (probably, I'd be willing to bet, the majority on your list, as they're the "classic revolutionaries" in France) came back for the National Convention election in 1792 when Louis XVI had been charged for treason for allegedly trying to incite the other European monarchs to declare war on France and reinstall him as an absolute monarch by force, the Convention whose first act on their first day of their session was to unanimously declare the republic. The Directory from 1795 to 1799 that followed the fall of the Committee of Public Safety and the Reign of Terror, had almost completely different people, with only a few holdovers from the Convention.

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I think my list would just cover a broad range of these legislatures and such. I was planning on making a French Rev board game, which focused on the political rather than the military. This list were the figures that would have been part of the game. 

J. Roland (2.1734-1793). 
J. Bailly (9.1736-1793), 
P. Victor (2.1740-1814), 
J. Treilhard (1.1742-1810) 
N. Condorcet (9.1743-1794)
F, La Rouchefoucauld (1.1747-1827) 
F. Barthelemy (10.1747-1830)
E. Sieyes (3.1748-1836)
J. David (8.1748-1825)
H. Mirabeau (3.1749-1791)
J. d'Herbois (6.1749-1796)
F. Neufchateau (4.1750-1828)
J. Delacroix (4.1753-1794)
L. Carnot (5.1753-1823)
P. Vergniaud (5.1753-1793)
L. Revelliere-Lepeaux (8.1753-1824)
J. Cambaceres (10.1753-1824)
J. Brissot (1.1754-1793)
C. Talleyrand (2.1754-1838)
S. Maillard (6.1754-1794)
L. Freron (8.1754-1802)
P. Merlin de Douai (10.1754-1838)
P. Barras (6.1755-1829)
A. Cloots (6.1755-1794)
B, Barere (9.1755-1841)
M. Isnard (11.1755-1825)
G. Couthon (12.1755-1794)
F. Boissy d'Anglas (1756-1828)
J. Carrier (1756-1794)
J. Billaud (4.1756-1819)
F Chabot (10.1756-1794)
B. Lacepede (12.1756-1825)
G. Lafayette (9.1757-1834)
C. Lameth (10.1757-1832)
J. Hebert (11.1757-1794)
M. Robespierre (5.1758-1794)
M. Guadet (7.1758-1794)
J. Mounier (11.1756-1808)
A. Dupont (2.1759-1798)
J. Fouche (5.1759-1820)
G. Danton (10.1759-1794)
C. Desmoulins (3.1760-1794)
A. Lameth (10.1760-1829)
J. Pichegru (2.1761-1804)
A. Barnave (10.1761-1793)
A, Robespierre (1.1763-1794)
P. Chaumette (5.1763-1794)
J. Ducos (10.1765-1793)
J. Tallien (1.1767-1820)
L. St. Just (8.1767-1794)
B. Constant (10.1767-1830)
J. Bonaparte (1.1768-1844)
N. Bonaparte (8.1769-1821)
C. Jordan (1.1771-1821)
L. Bonaparte (5.1775-1840)
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3 hours ago, vcczar said:

I think my list would just cover a broad range of these legislatures and such. I was planning on making a French Rev board game, which focused on the political rather than the military. This list were the figures that would have been part of the game. 

J. Roland (2.1734-1793). 
J. Bailly (9.1736-1793), 
P. Victor (2.1740-1814), 
J. Treilhard (1.1742-1810) 
N. Condorcet (9.1743-1794)
F, La Rouchefoucauld (1.1747-1827) 
F. Barthelemy (10.1747-1830)
E. Sieyes (3.1748-1836)
J. David (8.1748-1825)
H. Mirabeau (3.1749-1791)
J. d'Herbois (6.1749-1796)
F. Neufchateau (4.1750-1828)
J. Delacroix (4.1753-1794)
L. Carnot (5.1753-1823)
P. Vergniaud (5.1753-1793)
L. Revelliere-Lepeaux (8.1753-1824)
J. Cambaceres (10.1753-1824)
J. Brissot (1.1754-1793)
C. Talleyrand (2.1754-1838)
S. Maillard (6.1754-1794)
L. Freron (8.1754-1802)
P. Merlin de Douai (10.1754-1838)
P. Barras (6.1755-1829)
A. Cloots (6.1755-1794)
B, Barere (9.1755-1841)
M. Isnard (11.1755-1825)
G. Couthon (12.1755-1794)
F. Boissy d'Anglas (1756-1828)
J. Carrier (1756-1794)
J. Billaud (4.1756-1819)
F Chabot (10.1756-1794)
B. Lacepede (12.1756-1825)
G. Lafayette (9.1757-1834)
C. Lameth (10.1757-1832)
J. Hebert (11.1757-1794)
M. Robespierre (5.1758-1794)
M. Guadet (7.1758-1794)
J. Mounier (11.1756-1808)
A. Dupont (2.1759-1798)
J. Fouche (5.1759-1820)
G. Danton (10.1759-1794)
C. Desmoulins (3.1760-1794)
A. Lameth (10.1760-1829)
J. Pichegru (2.1761-1804)
A. Barnave (10.1761-1793)
A, Robespierre (1.1763-1794)
P. Chaumette (5.1763-1794)
J. Ducos (10.1765-1793)
J. Tallien (1.1767-1820)
L. St. Just (8.1767-1794)
B. Constant (10.1767-1830)
J. Bonaparte (1.1768-1844)
N. Bonaparte (8.1769-1821)
C. Jordan (1.1771-1821)
L. Bonaparte (5.1775-1840)
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That is a VERY good list, though I believe Napoleon Bonaparte didn't participate politically directly until his coup in 1799, which ended the Republic, though his growing success and popularity on the battlefield and with the French People could certainly be an issue during the Directory Elections, and his brother Lucien (I don't know for sure about Joseph) was active politically during the Directory. But, definitely, a very excellent list. Thanks!

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8 hours ago, Patine said:

That is a VERY good list, though I believe Napoleon Bonaparte didn't participate politically directly until his coup in 1799, which ended the Republic, though his growing success and popularity on the battlefield and with the French People could certainly be an issue during the Directory Elections, and his brother Lucien (I don't know for sure about Joseph) was active politically during the Directory. But, definitely, a very excellent list. Thanks!

They were added for the sake of a board game which often allow for the chance of alternative history. 

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8 minutes ago, vcczar said:

They were added for the sake of a board game which often allow for the chance of alternative history. 

Fair enough. I'm still working out how to handle party leadership in these scenarios right now, as single leaders were rarely the case, but usually small cabals of like-minded and dominant personalities. The lack of a single apex executive office in this period adds to that question.

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28 minutes ago, Patine said:

Fair enough. I'm still working out how to handle party leadership in these scenarios right now, as single leaders were rarely the case, but usually small cabals of like-minded and dominant personalities. The lack of a single apex executive office in this period adds to that question.

Which election are you starting with?

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12 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Which election are you starting with?

I was initially considering doing it chronologically (starting with the Legislative Assembly 1791), though the National Convention 1792 was the most exciting and included the majority of the most well-known Revolutionaries (other than pre-dating the actually French Revolutionary Wars with most of the rest of Europe and Napoleon even being on the radar of relevance, both of which were actually in the Directory Era).

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Great work!

If I can bring some precisions

=> Lucien Bonaparte won't be Senator before the last parliament under the Convention where he sat to help his brother Napoléon and his coup

Let's cut political times of the revolutions too:

1789-1792: Moderate time

Essentially betwenn 1789 and 1791, all MPs are in favor of a moderate monarchy, only one is for a Republic, Marat

1791 (June => Varennes scandal) 1792: Returnment

Two essential things have returned the public opinion:

1: The King and his family tried to leave France for Luxemburg where supporters were gathered

However it failes some miles before at Varennes and he returned to Paris, MPs tried to say he has been kidnapped but at this moment, people was shocled and he was done

2: The dubble game of the King who declared war to Prussia but used his veto against every law of the assembly to help Prussia to win the war and walk on Paris

Hence in August, the monarchy falled down

 

Second period: 1792-1794: The Socialist excess

Such excess that for many historians the USSR found its inspiration not only in Marx and the French Commune but also the French Constitution of 1793

at this period the Left takes power with only Republicans due to the system of vote, the assembly surrenders in the same time than the King and dissolves the parliament

From 1792 to mid 1793: The Soft Republicans try to keep the situation calm

These soft Republicans called "Girondins" want to save the head of the King even if the King has to renounce to the crown

They finish backstabbed by the "new Left", the Montagnards who can by this sacrifice move the Republic Left.

At this same period almost half of Europe is in war so the Republican dictatorship is instored by Robespierre and Saint Just to protect the country.

One of the first totalitarian regimes

Sooner than later this moment Danton who has followed Robespierre on the necessity of the Dictatorship of War disagrees to maintain it after 1794 and in the same time the "Hebertists" who are the former form of modern communism are raising in violent minority groups in Paris.

Robespierre kills these Hebertists with the support of Danton then in the end of march 1794 condemns Danton to death because he disagrees with the terror regime.

(The assembly was almost reduced to Social Totalitarians (Robespierre) in the center vs Hard Socialists (Danton) in the right of the parliament and hard Communists in the Left (Hebert)

The terrible law of the 22nd Prerial is voted:

=> From now and between June and the 22nd July thousands of peoples are executed without any reason.

 

Then the 9 Thermidor 1794 (mid of the year) Robespierre falls in an epic returnment

He calls traitors in the assembly and everybody among the MPs who are fearing for themselves prefer to kill him.

 

That's why he's arrested, but the Parisians make him free, he takes refugee in the Townhall of Paris:

The townhall of Paris is assaulted by the general BARRAS

 

The day after the Robespierrists fall all.

 

Last period: 1794-1799: The Directory attempt

Chocked by the previous period and considering that all big revolutionnaries (Marat, Danton, Robespierre, Camille Desmoulins, Saint Just) are dead, those who stay create a liberal regime inspired on the American revolution

2 assemblies, a Senate formed by older citizens and a chamber of 500 MPs made by younger

It's from this period that we kept the bicameral system, inspired by the shock of having an assembly totalitarian regime in 1793 and 1794

The question of having a president is questionned

But they fear that a Bourbon be elected President ahead to become King, so they form 5 directors who are head of the government and appoint ministers

Finally they give 1/3 assemblies election change per year

And the defeats come to this regime

1795 and 1796 Gracchus Baboeuf and the Jacobins (partisans of the idea of the Left constitution of 1793) try to take back the power in Paris but the regime survives

1797 Monarchists win, a coup is instaured by the regime itself to void their electoral victory and deport them.

1798 the Jacobins win thanks to the help of the Monarchists and the regime void the election and says that the next year will elect a 2/3 chamber majority

1799 the Jacobins win the majority of both houses and prepare a change of regime

Sieyés who was ambassador in Prussia is back, he prepares the change of regime because the French Constitution of 1794 is too difficult to be easily changed.

He will play with the Jacobins and prepare the famous 18 brumaire coup of Napoléon to become Consul of the Republic with himself (Sieyés) in second Consult and Rogers Ducos in 3rd

Sieyés thought that Napoléon would be easy to control, he said himself: "I need a sword", well, he underestimated Napoléon

 

This has been a famous and strong period where ideas have been quickly revolutionned

For example: France is the first country in the world to have decriminalized homosexuality (1791, under the Constitutionnal Monarchy!) the laws to limit it only came under the Vichy period and Petain.

Same for social rights, the project of 1793 was to create a constitutionnal right to Social rights from the State, to Social Welfare and that 150 years before the Social Security.

There were high projects of direct democracy which have been lost such as local assemblies from the people in the same Constitution of 1793 which could hloc every law from the parliament if there were 50%+1 of opposition in a certain number of people's district

The Constitution of 1793 has been the first to be adopted by popular referendum in the history 

The Constitution of 1793 instaured the "Soil rights" which means that if you born on the territory you can become citizen and if you live for 1 year in the country you can become citizen

And surely...the Robespierrist regime inspired Staline or Hitler in some ways as Mussolini because this period was well a period where the State was strong and enroled people to "learn" what the good revolution is.

This has been 10 years where almost everybody could change the history of this major country, and that's why it has gave a major influence in the continental europe and almost led to the formation of Italy and Germany and the revolutions of 1848 because this revolution reinvented the idea of what a nation is contrary to the American revolution which (and I totally support it for my own) built its success on the common reject of the Great Britain and not a special idea of common nation.

For those who want a quicker résumé 😛:

 

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29 minutes ago, Patine said:

I was initially considering doing it chronologically (starting with the Legislative Assembly 1791), though the National Convention 1792 was the most exciting and included the majority of the most well-known Revolutionaries (other than pre-dating the actually French Revolutionary Wars with most of the rest of Europe and Napoleon even being on the radar of relevance, both of which were actually in the Directory Era).

I'd start with the most exciting one to see how people react to it as a scenario, and then if there is demand,  then you can go back an do earlier and later ones. 

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(Correction for one of the last lines, it's of course Hitler not Napoléon ^^ Napoléon was kinda the mixt of a modern Chavez cuppled with Vladimir Poutine, but the Civil Code he created is still the code we use in law even if we adapted it since a big part still comes from

The law of contracts hasn't changed between 1804 and 2016).

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@Sami Good video

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On ‎5‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 6:44 PM, Sami said:

(Correction for one of the last lines, it's of course Hitler not Napoléon ^^ Napoléon was kinda the mixt of a modern Chavez cuppled with Vladimir Poutine, but the Civil Code he created is still the code we use in law even if we adapted it since a big part still comes from

The law of contracts hasn't changed between 1804 and 2016).

@Sami, would you happen to have access, where you live, to the actual list of candidates and constituencies in the 1791 Legislative Assembly, 1792 National Assembly, and 1795 to 1799 Council of 500 and Ancients elections? @vcczar and I are having trouble finding such vital information online?

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15 hours ago, Patine said:

@Sami, would you happen to have access, where you live, to the actual list of candidates and constituencies in the 1791 Legislative Assembly, 1792 National Assembly, and 1795 to 1799 Council of 500 and Ancients elections? @vcczar and I are having trouble finding such vital information online?

Even for me it's hard but here is the french wikipedia about the historical global results and some links of the elections under the revolution

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élections_législatives_françaises_de_1791

 

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4 hours ago, Sami said:

Even for me it's hard but here is the french wikipedia about the historical global results and some links of the elections under the revolution

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élections_législatives_françaises_de_1791

 

I think what we are looking for are results per district and not global results. 

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2 hours ago, vcczar said:

I think what we are looking for are results per district and not global results. 

Yes it's what I directly understood but we deeply miss online archives

I seeked some links for you but for the moment I didn't get it

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