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President Lauss congratulates President Elect Slater and promises a smooth transition to the White House. @Reagan04

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John Turner IV speech at the National Libertarian Convention post election in Miami after election 1976:

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TONIGHT MY FRIENDS WE PREVAIL!

The next Conservative President will no longer be able to pass reforms without Libertarian Representatives at the Congress.

Let me make it clear : THERE WILL BE TAX REFORMS AS LONG AS, CONSERVATIVES RESPECT CIVIL LIBERTIES AND EQUALITY OF RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE!

Tonight I officially invite the Socialists and the Liberals of Congress, to work together with us in the House of Congress to promote a progressive legislation on rights. @Hestia11

I also offer to the Socialist that, together, we submit a common bill regarding direct democracy within the next House.

I tend the hand to President elect Slater to work together in the duty to ensure a conservative tax policy for long. @Reagan04

 

John Turner IV finish his speech by making some statements regarding the next Congress @Kingthero

-Libertarians will block every societally conservative legislation giving the majority to Liberals and Socialists on society

-Libertarians will back every conservative tax policy but could block some reforms if a very societally conservative bill is proposed on civil's rights.

-Libertarians won't be part of any coalitions and will just submit alliances on votes.

 

After the Convention :

JC IV : Times are great. Libertarian party was a minus when I took it back, now let's play, next mandate will be lovely.

No longer any Conservative tax reforms or federal societal reforms without the Libertarian party now.

 

(This next words are private but related for the scenario)

 

A political advisor enters the private room of the Senator of New Hampshire :

Political advisor : Now that Buckley is VP, he can no longer be Governor of New York.

John Turner IV : That's precisely the point, New York and Washington D.C. aren't that far each others.

 

 

 

 

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President-elect Slater's Press Secretary slams the Libertarian Party

It's unfortunate that they think they can make demands like that. I can assure the American people that Libertarian Obstructionism is not going to be a roadblock for getting done what was elected of us to do. And that is to defend American values. We aren't going to let some smaller party dictate to the party that saw the majority of American voters turn out for it. Oh, and Senator Turner, the next Conservative President is a "her".

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18 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

President-elect Slater's Press Secretary slams the Libertarian Party

It's unfortunate that they think they can make demands like that. I can assure the American people that Libertarian Obstructionism is not going to be a roadblock for getting done what was elected of us to do. And that is to defend American values. We aren't going to let some smaller party dictate to the party that saw the majority of American voters turn out for it. Oh, and Senator Turner, the next Conservative President is a "her".

(OOC Just excuse me for the her I edited just after I was going back to work but that's fair :))

John Turner IV replies to President-elect Slater about the American people :

What you call "Obstructionism" seems just to be how a normal parliament like Congress works.

I know that you're the president, and still have my respects, but reforms needs majorities, and we won't accept to undermine our values in Congress because you received twice our vote and just that if we except the second round.

Let me also suggest the idea that an executive ruler who doesn't want to respect the vote of the american people to elect Congress neither the say of the Congress as a majority is not someone who should use the word "dictate" when it is about the vote of the American people for others parties.

If you were the majority party in votes, you would have a majority in both chambers, you just received a majority as president in a second round, never this election your party did, and this is precisely what we're going to demonstrate both in the next votes as in the next elections!

I still tend the hand to you, and hope you will understand that, with a tierce to 37% of the popular vote, it's not enough to cross an absolute majority. If you don't, americans will be there for remembering it to you.

 

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The Senate Liberal Leader Senator Joanna Carna (L-TX) and House Liberal Leader Rep. Benjamin Johnson (NY-03) announce they will not join the Libertarians in the effort, stating the Liberals are going to cooperate with government when possible. They are not willing to get rid of the goodwill that comes after an election. They do, however, state that the party will not lose their base values to compromise with anyone, whether it be the Conservatives, Libertarians, or Socialists. 

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Libertarian Party replies to Liberal Party by accepting their statement but reflects that both parties "normally" have the same platform's goal on civil rights.

 

(OOC Still private room so just for read but I add for the RP 😛)

Political advisor : Are you okay with this?

John Turner IV : Absolutely. Do you follow how politic works at foreign? Like Germany for examples...

Political advisor : Nope.

John Turner IV : By coalitions. Do you know what happen to a minus party within coalitions?

Political advisor : They disappear of opinions pollings and parliaments?

John Turner IV : Exactly.

John Turner IV : The best way for Conservative President Ms Slater to crush the Libertarians wasn't to mock our numbers, which are growing, but to try a coalition with us.

JT IV : She rejected it, if she accepted, I was more threatened than ever. People don't vote for "underdogs". To not say something more impolite.

Political advisor : So why did you take that risk?

JT IV : Because I've now, the best arguments of the world for the american people. And this will be the motor of the next elections' campains.

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4 minutes ago, Edouard said:

Libertarian Party replies to Liberal Party by accepting their statement but reflects that it both parties do "normally" have the same platform's goal on civil rights.

 

(OOC Still private room so just for read but I add for the RP 😛)

Political advisor : Are you okay with this?

John Turner IV : Absolutely. Do you follow how politic works at foreign? Like Germany for examples...

Political advisor : Nope.

John Turner IV : By coalitions. Do you know what happen to a minus party within coalitions?

Political advisor : They disappear of opinions pollings and parliaments?

John Turner IV : Exactly.

John Turner IV : The best way for Conservative President Ms Slater to crush the Libertarians wasn't to mock our numbers, which are growing, but to try a coalition with us.

JT IV : She rejected it, if she accepted, I was more threatened than ever. People don't vote for "underdogs". To not say something more impolite.

Political advisor : So why did you take that risk?

JT IV : Because I've now, the best arguments of the world for the american people. And this will be the motor of the next elections' campains.

OOC:This makes very little sense to me as a campaign strategy, so we'll see how that works out lol

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7 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

OOC:This makes very little sense to me as a campaign strategy, so we'll see how that works out lol

OOC : It works it works I ensure you 😛 I also worked in campain strategy

Just to show how coalitions destroyed minor parties

Libdems between 2010 and 2015 within the coalition

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Or Germany

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Both yellow were the third party

That's why coalitions are pure electoral's disasters

About the argument for my character I keep it as a surprise 😛 the goal is to make a Libertarian vote different than just politicians (Libt offered partnerships to others parties, we could think that only them are not waiting their election to promote what their electors voted for)

But in the same time to show within the RP to the Progressists which party is their first defensor who take the speech, as they're spread accross 3 parties (Soc Lib and Libt)

This is the problem when electorate is 60 to 70% strong left or right and 30% around the center

I've never lost any elections since I do play like it also RL (a)

 

 

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@Edouard THis is also not a Parliamentary style of government nor a European one

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13 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

@Edouard THis is also not a Parliamentary style of government nor a European one

So reforms can pass in current American House of Representatives with 37% of the house so magic number is 161 on 435 and not 218 as I would have thought, you teached me something.

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OOC : The fact is, current America politic is made to impeach such kind of House's division, but in this scenario it does exist, and this is the whole difference with the IRL American Politic 

In current America coalitions are within Republican and Democratic parties (Joe Manchin is a quite left-economy, conservative societally politcian while Kamala is way different for example, and let's not talk about Sanders even if he's in and out the party in the same time)

Same for Republicans with Hogan in Maryland which is mostly moderate and Ted Cruz.

But this America does not exist in the RP, and that is why majorities can't work on themselves with 4 major parties ;)  

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Faulkner congratulates the President and Vice-President Elect on their victory and thanks all the people who voted for the Soc Lab Ticket and Congressional Candidates, A Soc Lab spokesperson announces that the party has agreed to work with the Libertarians in Congress on social issues, civil liberties, foreign policy and constitutional reform as well continuing to work with the Liberals on certain issues. 

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1977 Debate/Amendment Phase

 

Event 1: A group of war hawks and anti-imperialists have recently submitted Senate Bill 05, a bill which will "Seek American influence abroad in order to guarantee the democratic sovereignty of the native peoples of colonized lands." This can be amended a lot, although skeptics are worried that Europe will get heavily upset if we begin to follow a trend of international interference. The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. The bill was intended to be amended, which is why some parts are extreme.

 

To the President: In your campaign, you said that the foreign affairs of our allies were no business of our own. How will you lead the charge against everything this bill stands for in order to fulfill that piece of your agenda? @Reagan04

To the Conservatives: ^^^

To the Liberals: Your party is seemingly split on this issue. Although some wish to have some plan to gradually force decolonization abroad, the other side of the party wishes that we do not utilize our resources for this purpose. @Alexak1209 @Hestia11

To the Socialists: Your party stands completely against colonization. Due to this, it seems that your party will be looked upon to amend this bill. However, much to your dismay, a lot of your new voters are, indeed, war hawks. Will you reshape party policy in order to bond the new voters, or stick to a peaceful way of doing things? @WVProgressive @MBDemSoc

To the Libertarians: Most people call your party the swing vote on this issue. Your party is against both intervention and colonialism, which puts you all in the prime position in this conflict. However, do note that this is a Libertarian party, and the chances of the Conservatives reuniting some libertarians based on your decision is high. @Edouard @NYConservative

 

Event 2: Criminal Justice reform birthed after juvenile detention strategies showed up in the national spotlight. A coalition of Liberals and Libertarians have sponsored a rehabilitation and juvenile delinquency bill, which seeks to "Promote a strategy of rehabilitation with juveniles in order to best prepare them for life further down the road." This bill is genuinely seen by widespread support, however the main issue is how to pay for it and how much power the Federal Government should have over prisons. The bill right now has the following ideals: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. 

 

To the President: You campaigned on having fair treatment for all those in prison, although you may sympathize with certain elements of the bill. How will you lead the Conservative stance on this issue?

To the Conservatives: ^^^

To the Liberals: Liberals were among the two major groups supporting this reform. How will you all popularize this reform?

To the Socialists: Although you all will likely support this bill, you may or may not want it go further. Your party will likely back any decision as long as it doesn't do something completely radical.

To the Libertarians: Although your party did help write this bill, you are hesitant to promote the way that funds will be raised to pay for this issue. How will you accomplish the goal without upsetting fiscal conservatives?

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7 hours ago, Kingthero said:

1977 Debate/Amendment Phase

 

Event 1: A group of war hawks and anti-imperialists have recently submitted Senate Bill 05, a bill which will "Seek American influence abroad in order to guarantee the democratic sovereignty of the native peoples of colonized lands." This can be amended a lot, although skeptics are worried that Europe will get heavily upset if we begin to follow a trend of international interference. The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. The bill was intended to be amended, which is why some parts are extreme.

 

To the President: In your campaign, you said that the foreign affairs of our allies were no business of our own. How will you lead the charge against everything this bill stands for in order to fulfill that piece of your agenda? @Reagan04

To the Conservatives: ^^^

To the Liberals: Your party is seemingly split on this issue. Although some wish to have some plan to gradually force decolonization abroad, the other side of the party wishes that we do not utilize our resources for this purpose. @Alexak1209 @Hestia11

To the Socialists: Your party stands completely against colonization. Due to this, it seems that your party will be looked upon to amend this bill. However, much to your dismay, a lot of your new voters are, indeed, war hawks. Will you reshape party policy in order to bond the new voters, or stick to a peaceful way of doing things? @WVProgressive @MBDemSoc

To the Libertarians: Most people call your party the swing vote on this issue. Your party is against both intervention and colonialism, which puts you all in the prime position in this conflict. However, do note that this is a Libertarian party, and the chances of the Conservatives reuniting some libertarians based on your decision is high. @Edouard @NYConservative

 

Event 2: Criminal Justice reform birthed after juvenile detention strategies showed up in the national spotlight. A coalition of Liberals and Libertarians have sponsored a rehabilitation and juvenile delinquency bill, which seeks to "Promote a strategy of rehabilitation with juveniles in order to best prepare them for life further down the road." This bill is genuinely seen by widespread support, however the main issue is how to pay for it and how much power the Federal Government should have over prisons. The bill right now has the following ideals: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. 

 

To the President: You campaigned on having fair treatment for all those in prison, although you may sympathize with certain elements of the bill. How will you lead the Conservative stance on this issue?

To the Conservatives: ^^^

To the Liberals: Liberals were among the two major groups supporting this reform. How will you all popularize this reform?

To the Socialists: Although you all will likely support this bill, you may or may not want it go further. Your party will likely back any decision as long as it doesn't do something completely radical.

To the Libertarians: Although your party did help write this bill, you are hesitant to promote the way that funds will be raised to pay for this issue. How will you accomplish the goal without upsetting fiscal conservatives?

Soc Lab Amendment to Senate Bill 05: Strike out the following provisions sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies.

Add these potential measures in their place: Once a nation has agreed to give up a colony, the colony could be governed for a short period of time either solely by the League of Nations or jointly between the League and the former owner of the colony or the U.S to prepare them for independence and majority native population rule. Potentially provide economic assistance to newly decolonised nations. Offer to purchase colonies if necessary.

Soc Lab Amendment to rehab and juvenile delinquency bill: Add the following measures to the bill - abolition of any private prisons, Put money into the creation of youth clubs and centres (public or private), Give equal support to academical and vocational subjects in the public education system and encourage private schools to the same.

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20 hours ago, Kingthero said:

1977 Debate/Amendment Phase

 

Event 1: A group of war hawks and anti-imperialists have recently submitted Senate Bill 05, a bill which will "Seek American influence abroad in order to guarantee the democratic sovereignty of the native peoples of colonized lands." This can be amended a lot, although skeptics are worried that Europe will get heavily upset if we begin to follow a trend of international interference. The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. The bill was intended to be amended, which is why some parts are extreme.

 

To the President: In your campaign, you said that the foreign affairs of our allies were no business of our own. How will you lead the charge against everything this bill stands for in order to fulfill that piece of your agenda? @Reagan04

To the Conservatives: ^^^

To the Liberals: Your party is seemingly split on this issue. Although some wish to have some plan to gradually force decolonization abroad, the other side of the party wishes that we do not utilize our resources for this purpose. @Alexak1209 @Hestia11

To the Socialists: Your party stands completely against colonization. Due to this, it seems that your party will be looked upon to amend this bill. However, much to your dismay, a lot of your new voters are, indeed, war hawks. Will you reshape party policy in order to bond the new voters, or stick to a peaceful way of doing things? @WVProgressive @MBDemSoc

To the Libertarians: Most people call your party the swing vote on this issue. Your party is against both intervention and colonialism, which puts you all in the prime position in this conflict. However, do note that this is a Libertarian party, and the chances of the Conservatives reuniting some libertarians based on your decision is high. @Edouard @NYConservative

 

Event 2: Criminal Justice reform birthed after juvenile detention strategies showed up in the national spotlight. A coalition of Liberals and Libertarians have sponsored a rehabilitation and juvenile delinquency bill, which seeks to "Promote a strategy of rehabilitation with juveniles in order to best prepare them for life further down the road." This bill is genuinely seen by widespread support, however the main issue is how to pay for it and how much power the Federal Government should have over prisons. The bill right now has the following ideals: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. 

 

To the President: You campaigned on having fair treatment for all those in prison, although you may sympathize with certain elements of the bill. How will you lead the Conservative stance on this issue?

To the Conservatives: ^^^

To the Liberals: Liberals were among the two major groups supporting this reform. How will you all popularize this reform?

To the Socialists: Although you all will likely support this bill, you may or may not want it go further. Your party will likely back any decision as long as it doesn't do something completely radical.

To the Libertarians: Although your party did help write this bill, you are hesitant to promote the way that funds will be raised to pay for this issue. How will you accomplish the goal without upsetting fiscal conservatives?

Libertarian party announces following decisions regarding amendments

John Turner IV : I have been clear during the campain, no intervention BUT a discussion from the President regarding international policy to push them to decolonize and according votes for resolutions which request it in the LON. League of Nations will be the place for decolonization. International pression can bring them down first before to think about tax's raisings.

However, as some Libertarians will agree with the Socialist proposal, and others will oppose any kind of raising tariffs and will follow my position, I announce that the Libertarian party will OPPOSE the current bill, BUT, declares a liberty of vote on the Socialist amendment.

Hence every Libt reps are free to vote as they believes regarding their councioussness. I personnaly believe the Socialist amendment is way closer of our thoughts than the current bill even if personnaly, I oppose any kinds of tariffs' war for our economy which can threaten our whole industry.

Regarding the bill and amendment of the event 2.

Libt announce they will support the coalition bill for juveniles.

About the single amendment :

John Turner IV co-sponsor the second Socialist bill by bringing his own senator's signature to it @MBDemSoc

JT IV : Even private prisons are co-financed by the State because we need to keep an eye on them, if we abolish them we can already cut money somewhere to put this into social clubs for youth criminals, that is why I co sponsor.

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4 hours ago, Edouard said:

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Libertarian party announces following decisions regarding amendments

John Turner IV : I have been clear during the campain, no intervention BUT a discussion from the President regarding international policy to push them to decolonize and according votes for resolutions which request it in the LON. League of Nations will be the place for decolonization. International pression can bring them down first before to think about tax's raisings.

However, as some Libertarians will agree with the Socialist proposal, and others will oppose any kind of raising tariffs and will follow my position, I announce that the Libertarian party will OPPOSE the current bill, BUT, declares a liberty of vote on the Socialist amendment.

Hence every Libt reps are free to vote as they believes regarding their councioussness. I personnaly believe the Socialist amendment is way closer of our thoughts than the current bill even if personnaly, I oppose any kinds of tariffs' war for our economy which can threaten our whole industry.

Regarding the bill and amendment of the event 2.

Libt announce they will support the coalition bill for juveniles.

About the single amendment :

John Turner IV co-sponsor the Socialist bill by bringing his own senator's signature to it @MBDemSoc

JT IV : Even private prisons are co-financed by the State because we need to keep an eye on them, if we abolish them we can already cut money somewhere to put this into social clubs for youth criminals, that is why I co sponsor.

A Soc Lab Spokesperson thanks the Libertarians for backing both the Soc Lab Amendments.

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5 hours ago, Edouard said:

The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies.  

The Conservative Caucus, after much fighting, has put forward this piece of legislation. We look to the Libertarians to be Constitutionalists on this issue. It is very clearly not the place of Congress to dictate Foreign Policy, to command the military, or to force an official condemnation or dissolution of military agreements. This is in obvious violation of Article II and therefore the Conservatives will not stand for any part of it. And if the Libertarians betray the Constitution they claim to love and hold in such esteem, then we will make that incredibly clear to their base. The President's policy is one of non-interventionism, there is no need for us to get our hands filthy in other people's business, we prefer to build up America. Trade and diplomacy are our preferred choice of interaction.

22 hours ago, Kingthero said:

The bill applies only to prisons directly under federal jurisdiction: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, all private prison contractors currently working a contract with the Federal government are to have their contracts run out and not renewed at the end of their lease. New Federal prisons are to be built to hold those released from the private institutions.

We do not believe in the Federal Government controlling the judicial system. This is very clearly on overreach of the Congress' power to regulation Justice as it stands across the country. We will however support a piece of legislation that applies ONLY to federal prisons and penitentiaries and not to all prisons at every level like this bill appears to do. Our bill can be found above and again we look to the Libertarians to stand on their principles and support our measures. We have also added an anti-private prison clause to garner support, at the behest of the Evangelical faction but to the support of our Constitutionalists. 

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33 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

The Conservative Caucus, after much fighting, has put forward this piece of legislation. We look to the Libertarians to be Constitutionalists on this issue. It is very clearly not the place of Congress to dictate Foreign Policy, to command the military, or to force an official condemnation or dissolution of military agreements. This is in obvious violation of Article II and therefore the Conservatives will not stand for any part of it. And if the Libertarians betray the Constitution they claim to love and hold in such esteem, then we will make that incredibly clear to their base. The President's policy is one of non-interventionism, there is no need for us to get our hands filthy in other people's business, we prefer to build up America. Trade and diplomacy are our preferred choice of interaction.

We do not believe in the Federal Government controlling the judicial system. This is very clearly on overreach of the Congress' power to regulation Justice as it stands across the country. We will however support a piece of legislation that applies ONLY to federal prisons and penitentiaries and not to all prisons at every level like this bill appears to do. Our bill can be found above and again we look to the Libertarians to stand on their principles and support our measures. We have also added an anti-private prison clause to garner support, at the behest of the Evangelical faction but to the support of our Constitutionalists. 

John Turner IV response :

It's great that the Conservative president tells us that we betray the Constitution while we oppose the 1st original bill and that I didn't force my representatives to vote for or against the Socialist's amendment which already scrap a huge part of what she considers "a Constitutionnal's violation".

It seems the president does not know what is going on within Congress. Maybe this is why she thought she had a majority in Congress to pass her reforms.

However the President do has a point about one thing, some words within the first article seem to force the President to act, that is why we request to join the following motion to the House.

Quote

"The President has the final say about every of the above measures"

IF the bill pass, for myself our position stay clearer as ever, no support on the original bill, free to vote on Socialist amendment.

 

And as it was now a Constitutionnal Debate

I will personnaly submit as lawmaker this bill if voted to the Supreme Court for a legal check. @Kingthero (if you want to include this in the next scenario, a SC ruling 😛)

Because the Supreme Court can already checks the law and interpretes the Constitution in this way.

This is the basis of how law works and this is why we are lawmakers, here is a small draft:

Résultat de recherche d'images pour "Law pyramid USA"

 

About second bill our position does not change, I totally agree with Socialists on prisons. Private prison are just crazy, immoral, and a moral treason of the principles of this country. Hence I will continue to gladly co-sponsor the second Socialist amendment and my group is still free to have its liberty on vote on the first, I won't tell my vote for myself

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23 hours ago, Kingthero said:

1977 Debate/Amendment Phase

 

Event 1: A group of war hawks and anti-imperialists have recently submitted Senate Bill 05, a bill which will "Seek American influence abroad in order to guarantee the democratic sovereignty of the native peoples of colonized lands." This can be amended a lot, although skeptics are worried that Europe will get heavily upset if we begin to follow a trend of international interference. The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. The bill was intended to be amended, which is why some parts are extreme.

 

To the President: In your campaign, you said that the foreign affairs of our allies were no business of our own. How will you lead the charge against everything this bill stands for in order to fulfill that piece of your agenda? @Reagan04

To the Conservatives: ^^^

To the Liberals: Your party is seemingly split on this issue. Although some wish to have some plan to gradually force decolonization abroad, the other side of the party wishes that we do not utilize our resources for this purpose. @Alexak1209 @Hestia11

To the Socialists: Your party stands completely against colonization. Due to this, it seems that your party will be looked upon to amend this bill. However, much to your dismay, a lot of your new voters are, indeed, war hawks. Will you reshape party policy in order to bond the new voters, or stick to a peaceful way of doing things? @WVProgressive @MBDemSoc

To the Libertarians: Most people call your party the swing vote on this issue. Your party is against both intervention and colonialism, which puts you all in the prime position in this conflict. However, do note that this is a Libertarian party, and the chances of the Conservatives reuniting some libertarians based on your decision is high. @Edouard @NYConservative

 

Event 2: Criminal Justice reform birthed after juvenile detention strategies showed up in the national spotlight. A coalition of Liberals and Libertarians have sponsored a rehabilitation and juvenile delinquency bill, which seeks to "Promote a strategy of rehabilitation with juveniles in order to best prepare them for life further down the road." This bill is genuinely seen by widespread support, however the main issue is how to pay for it and how much power the Federal Government should have over prisons. The bill right now has the following ideals: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. 

 

To the President: You campaigned on having fair treatment for all those in prison, although you may sympathize with certain elements of the bill. How will you lead the Conservative stance on this issue?

To the Conservatives: ^^^

To the Liberals: Liberals were among the two major groups supporting this reform. How will you all popularize this reform?

To the Socialists: Although you all will likely support this bill, you may or may not want it go further. Your party will likely back any decision as long as it doesn't do something completely radical.

To the Libertarians: Although your party did help write this bill, you are hesitant to promote the way that funds will be raised to pay for this issue. How will you accomplish the goal without upsetting fiscal conservatives?

Liberal Senate Whip Senator Darian Pauley (L-MN) is charged with the Liberal response. They will not respond to Socialist or Libertarian amendments until it is up for a full vote.

Event 1: We largely agree with the Conservatives that the Executive has broad power over foreign policy. However, there must be limitations. The Liberal amendment states: " Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations or sending a civilian force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, based on the fact that it is a private gesture". It would allow various organizations to guarantee referendums, without the supervision of the US government.

Event 2: The Liberals see no reason to edit the bill in its current form, and agree to support it as it is written.  

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1977 AMENDMENT Vote Phase

 

Event 1 Amendment Votes: 

 

Original: "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

 

(insertvotehere) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, and embargoing nations. sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. Once a nation has agreed to give up a colony, the colony could be governed for a short period of time either solely by the League of Nations or jointly between the League and the former owner of the colony or the U.S to prepare them for independence and majority native population rule. Potentially provide economic assistance to newly decolonised nations. Offer to purchase colonies if necessary."

Proposed by the Socialists.

 

(insertvotehere) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

(insertvotehere) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. The President has the final say about every of the above measures."

Proposed by the Libertarians

 

Event 2 Amendment Votes:

 

Original: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. 

 

(insertvotehere) "Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. Abolish private prisons, put money into the creation of youth community centers, and promote academic and vocational subjects in public education."

Proposed by the Socialist

 

(insertvotehere) "The bill applies only to prisons directly under federal jurisdiction: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, all private prison contractors currently working a contract with the Federal government are to have their contracts run out and not renewed at the end of their lease. New Federal prisons are to be built to hold those released from the private institutions."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

 

@Hestia11 @Reagan04 @MBDemSoc 

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1 minute ago, Kingthero said:

1977 AMENDMENT Vote Phase

 

Event 1 Amendment Votes: 

 

Original: "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

 

(Nay) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, and embargoing nations. sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. Once a nation has agreed to give up a colony, the colony could be governed for a short period of time either solely by the League of Nations or jointly between the League and the former owner of the colony or the U.S to prepare them for independence and majority native population rule. Potentially provide economic assistance to newly decolonised nations. Offer to purchase colonies if necessary."

Proposed by the Socialists.

 

(Aye) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

(Free Vote) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. The President has the final say about every of the above measures."

Proposed by the Libertarians

 

Event 2 Amendment Votes:

 

Original: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. 

 

(Nay) "Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. Abolish private prisons, put money into the creation of youth community centers, and promote academic and vocational subjects in public education."

Proposed by the Socialist

 

(Aye) "The bill applies only to prisons directly under federal jurisdiction: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, all private prison contractors currently working a contract with the Federal government are to have their contracts run out and not renewed at the end of their lease. New Federal prisons are to be built to hold those released from the private institutions."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

 

@Hestia11 @Reagan04 @MBDemSoc 

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1 hour ago, Kingthero said:

1977 AMENDMENT Vote Phase

 

Event 1 Amendment Votes: 

 

Original: "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

 

(Aye) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, and embargoing nations. sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. Once a nation has agreed to give up a colony, the colony could be governed for a short period of time either solely by the League of Nations or jointly between the League and the former owner of the colony or the U.S to prepare them for independence and majority native population rule. Potentially provide economic assistance to newly decolonised nations. Offer to purchase colonies if necessary."

Proposed by the Socialists.

 

(Nay) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

(Nay) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. The President has the final say about every of the above measures."

Proposed by the Libertarians

 

Event 2 Amendment Votes:

 

Original: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. 

 

(Aye) "Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. Abolish private prisons, put money into the creation of youth community centers, and promote academic and vocational subjects in public education."

Proposed by the Socialist

 

(Nay) "The bill applies only to prisons directly under federal jurisdiction: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, all private prison contractors currently working a contract with the Federal government are to have their contracts run out and not renewed at the end of their lease. New Federal prisons are to be built to hold those released from the private institutions."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

 

@Hestia11 @Reagan04 @MBDemSoc 

@Edouard

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1 hour ago, Kingthero said:

1977 AMENDMENT Vote Phase

 

Event 1 Amendment Votes: 

 

Original: "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

 

(Free Vote) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, and embargoing nations. sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. Once a nation has agreed to give up a colony, the colony could be governed for a short period of time either solely by the League of Nations or jointly between the League and the former owner of the colony or the U.S to prepare them for independence and majority native population rule. Potentially provide economic assistance to newly decolonised nations. Offer to purchase colonies if necessary."

Proposed by the Socialists.

 

(Free Vote but John Turner IV personnaly votes Aye) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

(Aye) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. The President has the final say about every of the above measures."

Proposed by the Libertarians

 

Event 2 Amendment Votes:

 

Original: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. 

 

(Aye) "Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. Abolish private prisons, put money into the creation of youth community centers, and promote academic and vocational subjects in public education."

Proposed by the Socialist

 

(Free Vote) "The bill applies only to prisons directly under federal jurisdiction: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, all private prison contractors currently working a contract with the Federal government are to have their contracts run out and not renewed at the end of their lease. New Federal prisons are to be built to hold those released from the private institutions."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

 

@Hestia11 @Reagan04 @MBDemSoc 

@Edouard

 

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4 hours ago, Kingthero said:

1977 AMENDMENT Vote Phase

 

Event 1 Amendment Votes: 

 

Original: "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

 

(Nay) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, and embargoing nations. sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. Once a nation has agreed to give up a colony, the colony could be governed for a short period of time either solely by the League of Nations or jointly between the League and the former owner of the colony or the U.S to prepare them for independence and majority native population rule. Potentially provide economic assistance to newly decolonised nations. Offer to purchase colonies if necessary."

Proposed by the Socialists.

 

(Nay) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

(Aye) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. The President has the final say about every of the above measures."

Proposed by the Libertarians

 

Event 2 Amendment Votes:

 

Original: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. 

 

(Aye) "Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. Abolish private prisons, put money into the creation of youth community centers, and promote academic and vocational subjects in public education."

Proposed by the Socialist

 

(Aye) "The bill applies only to prisons directly under federal jurisdiction: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, all private prison contractors currently working a contract with the Federal government are to have their contracts run out and not renewed at the end of their lease. New Federal prisons are to be built to hold those released from the private institutions."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

 

@Hestia11 @Reagan04 @MBDemSoc 

@Edouard

 

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1977 Vote Phase

 

Event 1 Amendment Vote Results: 

 

Original: "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

 

(Failed) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, and embargoing nations. sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. Once a nation has agreed to give up a colony, the colony could be governed for a short period of time either solely by the League of Nations or jointly between the League and the former owner of the colony or the U.S to prepare them for independence and majority native population rule. Potentially provide economic assistance to newly decolonised nations. Offer to purchase colonies if necessary."

Proposed by the Socialists.

 

(Failed) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

(Passed) "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. The President has the final say about every of the above measures."

Proposed by the Libertarians

 

Event 2 Amendment Vote Results:

 

Original: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. 

 

(Passed, but see note.) "Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, small groups of juveniles with councilors will be incentivized via grants in state prisons, and that a rise in tobacco and alcohol tax will pay for the new juvenile system. Abolish private prisons, put money into the creation of youth community centers, and promote academic and vocational subjects in public education."

Proposed by the Socialist

 

(Passed) "The bill applies only to prisons directly under federal jurisdiction: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, all private prison contractors currently working a contract with the Federal government are to have their contracts run out and not renewed at the end of their lease. New Federal prisons are to be built to hold those released from the private institutions."

Proposed by the Conservatives

 

Note: Both the Amendments passed, but since both were so different, the one that had the more support won, which was the Conservative's one.

 

Event 1 & 2 Vote!

 

Senate Bill 05 (insertvotehere): "The bill consists of the following measures: Potentially raising tariffs on colonial nations, public condemning allies, pulling out of military agreements, embargoing nations, sending a military force to guarantee fair elections and referendums, and the ability for the President to declare war based on the fact that they have colonies. The President has the final say about every of the above measures."

 

House Bill 06 (insertvotehere): "The bill applies only to prisons directly under federal jurisdiction: Those under the age of 18 can not face the death penalty or solitary confinement, all private prison contractors currently working a contract with the Federal government are to have their contracts run out and not renewed at the end of their lease. New Federal prisons are to be built to hold those released from the private institutions."

 

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