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Hello, folks on this forum, I started an alt-history US presidential elections playthrough last month using President Infinity and vcczar's mods and I thought the best place to post the results of the elections would be this forum for obvious reasons.

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1 hour ago, MBDemSoc said:

Hello, folks on this forum, I started an alt-history US presidential elections playthrough last month using President Infinity and vcczar's mods and I thought the best place to post the results of the elections would be this forum for obvious reasons.

I look forward to it

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4 hours ago, MBDemSoc said:

Hello, folks on this forum, I started an alt-history US presidential elections playthrough last month using President Infinity and vcczar's mods and I thought the best place to post the results of the elections would be this forum for obvious reasons.

Welcome to the forums. I can't help but notice you have "professional wrestling" as an interest. Although where I live in Canada, and in your stated location in the UK, it's not nearly so much so. I must say that U.S. politics of late seems to be developing the tenor, mood, bravado, aggression, crowd populism, and vicious division typical of professional wrestling (just without the politicians coming to physical grapples). I don't think it's for the best at all or politically, culturally, economically, or socially healthy when applied to the political arena, and it very much worries me.

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14 hours ago, Patine said:

Welcome to the forums. I can't help but notice you have "professional wrestling" as an interest. Although where I live in Canada, and in your stated location in the UK, it's not nearly so much so. I must say that U.S. politics of late seems to be developing the tenor, mood, bravado, aggression, crowd populism, and vicious division typical of professional wrestling (just without the politicians coming to physical grapples). I don't think it's for the best at all or politically, culturally, economically, or socially healthy when applied to the political arena, and it very much worries me.

Thanks for the welcome, I must agree with the sentiment of the last part of your statement I wish the debate around politics was focused on the policies that each political ideology brings to the table and not on throwing insults at political rivals or focussing on the personal lives of political rivals if it is not relevant to a discussion on policy, TLDR: I adhere to the philosophy of policies over personalities, also right now the President of the US is a WWE Hall of Famer and one of the members Presidential cabinet is the spouse of the Chairman of the WWE and was at one time the President and CEO of the WWE which if you came to me in 2014 and told me that in 2018 I wouldn't believe whoever told me that, god damn I know how to ramble.

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1788-1789

"The Constitution has been implemented, and the first president is to be elected. Washington is a shoe-in for the presidency, but who will be his VP? [Note: In this election, the candidate that finishes second in the election becomes VP] This election takes place among economic instability and a revolution in Europe that could further impact trade and stability at home." 

- Election blurb.

 

Candidates

  • George Washington (I).
  • John Adams (F).
  • John Jay (F).
  • Robert H. Harrison (F).
  • John Rutledge (F).
  • John Hancock (F).
  • George Clinton (AF).
  • Samuel Huntington (F).
  • John Milton (F).
  • James Armstrong (F).
  • Benjamin Lincoln (F).
  • Edward Telfair (AF).

 

Results

  • Washington: 69 ECV and 37.6% PV (39909 votes).
  • Jay: 22 ECV and 10.3% PV (10894 votes).
  • Adams: 19 ECV and 9.6% PV (10168 votes).
  • Lincoln: 17 ECV and 7.4% PV (7886 votes).
  • Harrison: 6 ECV and 5% PV (5279 votes).
  • Telfair: 5 ECV and 2.4% PV (2504 votes).
  • Huntington: 8.9% PV (9435 votes).
  • Hancock: 6% PV (6344 votes).
  • Rutledge: 4.9% PV (5220 votes).
  • Clinton: 3.4% PV (3626 votes).
  • Milton: 2.6% PV (2765 votes).
  • Armstrong: 1.9% PV (1983 votes).

 

Electoral Map

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Summary

George Washington became the 1st President of the United States of America and John Jay became the 1st Vice President of the USA.

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Just now, MBDemSoc said:

1788-1789

"The Constitution has been implemented, and the first president is to be elected. Washington is a shoe-in for the presidency, but who will be his VP? [Note: In this election, the candidate that finishes second in the election becomes VP] This election takes place among economic instability and a revolution in Europe that could further impact trade and stability at home." 

- Election blurb.

 

Candidates

  • George Washington (I).
  • John Adams (F).
  • John Jay (F).
  • Robert H. Harrison (F).
  • John Rutledge (F).
  • John Hancock (F).
  • George Clinton (AF).
  • Samuel Huntington (F).
  • John Milton (F).
  • James Armstrong (F).
  • Benjamin Lincoln (F).
  • Edward Telfair (AF).

 

Results

  • Washington: 69 ECV and 37.6% PV (39909 votes).
  • Jay: 22 ECV and 10.3% PV (10894 votes).
  • Adams: 19 ECV and 9.6% PV (10168 votes).
  • Lincoln: 17 ECV and 7.4% PV (7886 votes).
  • Harrison: 6 ECV and 5% PV (5279 votes).
  • Telfair: 5 ECV and 2.4% PV (2504 votes).
  • Huntington: 8.9% PV (9435 votes).
  • Hancock: 6% PV (6344 votes).
  • Rutledge: 4.9% PV (5220 votes).
  • Clinton: 3.4% PV (3626 votes).
  • Milton: 2.6% PV (2765 votes).
  • Armstrong: 1.9% PV (1983 votes).

 

Electoral Map

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Summary

George Washington became the 1st President of the United States of America and John Jay became the 1st Vice President of the USA.

Full results here: Alt US Presidential Election 1788-1789.csv

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George Washington (I), 1st President of the United States of America, 1st Term: April 30th 1789 - March 4th 1792

 

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John Jay (F), 1st Vice President of the United States of America, 1st Term: April 30th 1789 - September 26th 1789 (Resigned to become Chief Justice of the United States)

Washington's 1st term is the same as his IRL 1st term.

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Excellent! However, Jay as VP would have been bad for NY, since it takes him out of that state. He and Hamilton kept the balance between Federalists and Republicans. I wonder what would have happened to John Adams, Sec of State?

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21 hours ago, vcczar said:

Excellent! However, Jay as VP would have been bad for NY, since it takes him out of that state. He and Hamilton kept the balance between Federalists and Republicans. I wonder what would have happened to John Adams, Sec of State?

I think I had him down as SOS yes.

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1792

"Washington's first term has ended. While he has been roundly popular, he is seeing increased criticism over Hamilton's economic policies, an increased pro-British foreign policy, and the growing power of the new federal government. Despite this, both Federalists and Jeffersonian Republicans are urging Washington to run for a second term. Will he do it, and will he be the unanimous choice again?"

- Election Blurb.

 

Candidates

  • George Washington (I) (Incumbent).
  • John Adams (F).
  • Thomas Jefferson (D-R).
  • Aaron Burr (D-R).
  • George Clinton (D-R).

 

Results

  • Washington: 132 ECV and 48.3% PV (31857 Votes).
  • Adams: 67 ECV and 15.5% PV (10249 Votes).
  • Jefferson: 7.4% PV (4892 Votes).
  • Burr: 9.8% PV (6442 Votes).
  • Clinton: 65 ECV and 19% PV (12504 Votes).

 

Presidential Electoral Map

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Vice Presidential Electoral Map

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I like this very much! I will follow this thread. :)

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1 minute ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

I like this very much! I will follow this thread. :)

Thank you very much.

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George Washington (I), 1st President of the United States of America, 2nd Term: March 4th 1793 - March 4th 1797

 

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John Adams (F), 2nd Vice President of the United States of America, 1st Term: March 4th 1793 - March 4th 1797

Washington's 2nd term is the same as his IRL 2nd term.

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1796

"Domestically, two political parties have emerged in the fight over the John Jay Treaty. Abroad, the French Revolution tests our relationship with both France and Britain. Amid this tension and fragmenting of relative political unity, President George Washington intends to retire. Who can unify the nation with General Washington stepping down?"

- Election Blurb.

 

Candidates

  • John Adams (F) (Incumbent VP).
  • Thomas Jefferson (D-R).
  • Thomas Pinckney (F).
  • Aaron Burr (D-R).
  • Samuel Adams (D-R).
  • Oliver Ellsworth (F).
  • George Clinton (D-R).
  • John Jay (F) (1st VP).
  • James Iredell (F).
  • John Henry (F).
  • Samuel Johnston (F).
  • C. C. Pinckney (F).

 

Results

  • J. Adams: 61 ECV and 21.5% PV (41376 Votes).
  • Jefferson: 78 ECV and 13% PV (24947 Votes).
  • T. Pinckney: 48 ECV and 8.8% PV (16929 Votes).
  • Burr: 8 ECV and 11% PV (21163 Votes).
  • S. Adams: 22 ECV and 9.9% PV (19067 Votes).
  • Ellsworth: 6.5% PV (12509 Votes).
  • Clinton: 4.8% PV (9178 Votes).
  • Jay: 61 ECV and 12% PV (23181 Votes).
  • Iredell: 3.8% PV (7379 Votes).
  • Henry: 2.1% PV (4002 Votes).
  • Johnston: 3% PV (5713 Votes).
  • C. C. Pinckney: 3.6% PV (6989 Votes).

 

Presidential Electoral Map

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23 minutes ago, MBDemSoc said:

1796

"Domestically, two political parties have emerged in the fight over the John Jay Treaty. Abroad, the French Revolution tests our relationship with both France and Britain. Amid this tension and fragmenting of relative political unity, President George Washington intends to retire. Who can unify the nation with General Washington stepping down?"

- Election Blurb.

 

Candidates

  • John Adams (F) (Incumbent VP).
  • Thomas Jefferson (D-R).
  • Thomas Pinckney (F).
  • Aaron Burr (D-R).
  • Samuel Adams (D-R).
  • Oliver Ellsworth (F).
  • George Clinton (D-R).
  • John Jay (F) (1st VP).
  • James Iredell (F).
  • John Henry (F).
  • Samuel Johnston (F).
  • C. C. Pinckney (F).

 

Results

  • J. Adams: 61 ECV and 21.5% PV (41376 Votes).
  • Jefferson: 78 ECV and 13% PV (24947 Votes).
  • T. Pinckney: 48 ECV and 8.8% PV (16929 Votes).
  • Burr: 8 ECV and 11% PV (21163 Votes).
  • S. Adams: 22 ECV and 9.9% PV (19067 Votes).
  • Ellsworth: 6.5% PV (12509 Votes).
  • Clinton: 4.8% PV (9178 Votes).
  • Jay: 61 ECV and 12% PV (23181 Votes).
  • Iredell: 3.8% PV (7379 Votes).
  • Henry: 2.1% PV (4002 Votes).
  • Johnston: 3% PV (5713 Votes).
  • C. C. Pinckney: 3.6% PV (6989 Votes).

 

Presidential Electoral Map

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I don't mean to try to derail you here, but there's been a LOT of alternate history full U.S. runs on this forum. Why not something that breaks the mold a bit? I think there are enough fan made scenarios at present to do a run of alternate U.K. scenarios as far back as the 1950's, if I'm not mistaken.

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15 hours ago, Patine said:

I don't mean to try to derail you here, but there's been a LOT of alternate history full U.S. runs on this forum. Why not something that breaks the mold a bit? I think there are enough fan made scenarios at present to do a run of alternate U.K. scenarios as far back as the 1950's, if I'm not mistaken.

I was planning on doing a UK one after this US one also there is a lot of gaps in terms of elections for the UK.

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7 minutes ago, MBDemSoc said:

I was planning on doing a UK one after this US one also there is a lot of gaps in terms of elections for the UK.

For example, there is a scenario for 1950 but not one for 1951, 1955 or 1959, but there is one for 1964.

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15 hours ago, Patine said:

I don't mean to try to derail you here, but there's been a LOT of alternate history full U.S. runs on this forum. Why not something that breaks the mold a bit? I think there are enough fan made scenarios at present to do a run of alternate U.K. scenarios as far back as the 1950's, if I'm not mistaken.

I was doing something like that, but I forgot about it. Now you've reminded me I'm probably going to go back and revive it.

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Thomas Jefferson (D-R), 2nd President of the United States of America, 1st Term: March 4th 1797 - March 4th 1801

 

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John Adams (F), 2nd Vice President of the United States of America, 2nd Term: March 4th 1797 - March 4th 1801

 

  • Entire term: While Jefferson initially wanted to be more friendly towards the French and support them in the war, the XYZ Affair and Quasi-war happen mostly as they did IRL
  • March 1797: Shortly after his inauguration, President Jefferson works with his Treasury Secretary to slowly dismantle Hamilton’s economic system, and gets rid of the whiskey tax and offices he finds unnecessary 
  • September 1797: President Jefferson shrinks the size of the military and navy, deciding that they should only be used for defense. Surely this will be followed for all of US history…
  • February 1798: President Jefferson commissions various expeditions into un-or under-explored territories, including those recently ceded to the US by Spain.

(All the credit for the details of this term go to forum user Bruce Fischer as it is a copy and paste from his entire US elections run).

 

(My apologies for taking this long to create this post have been on the campaign trail for the Labour Party and also experimenting with creating my own scenarios).

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1 minute ago, MBDemSoc said:

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Thomas Jefferson (D-R), 2nd President of the United States of America, 1st Term: March 4th 1797 - March 4th 1801

 

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John Adams (F), 2nd Vice President of the United States of America, 2nd Term: March 4th 1797 - March 4th 1801

 

  • Entire term: While Jefferson initially wanted to be more friendly towards the French and support them in the war, the XYZ Affair and Quasi-war happen mostly as they did IRL
  • March 1797: Shortly after his inauguration, President Jefferson works with his Treasury Secretary to slowly dismantle Hamilton’s economic system, and gets rid of the whiskey tax and offices he finds unnecessary 
  • September 1797: President Jefferson shrinks the size of the military and navy, deciding that they should only be used for defense. Surely this will be followed for all of US history…
  • February 1798: President Jefferson commissions various expeditions into un-or under-explored territories, including those recently ceded to the US by Spain.

(All the credit for the details of this term go to forum user Bruce Fischer as it is a copy and paste from his entire US elections run).

 

(My apologies for taking this long to create this post have been on the campaign trail for the Labour Party and also experimenting with creating my own scenarios).

I know a number of people on these forums have, but I've never actually done campaign work for a political party in an election before. I think it's my alienation from most standing major political parties in one way or another, both in my home country of Canada, and in most other countries I hear about. I fear, nowadays, I'd have to actually be one of the founders of a new party and a standing ideologue for it to actually be invested enough and with enough conviction to go on the campaign trail for a political party. But it must be quite the experience nonetheless...

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11 minutes ago, Patine said:

I know a number of people on these forums have, but I've never actually done campaign work for a political party in an election before. I think it's my alienation from most standing major political parties in one way or another, both in my home country of Canada, and in most other countries I hear about. I fear, nowadays, I'd have to actually be one of the founders of a new party and a standing ideologue for it to actually be invested enough and with enough conviction to go on the campaign trail for a political party. But it must be quite the experience nonetheless...

For me, it has been quite an enjoyable experience as it has actually helped to restore the structure to my life as I am unemployed and have poor grades so I can't really get a job so doing something I enjoy and I find easy even if it's only once or twice a week helps me create a routine, without some sort of structure or routine I become kind of useless as I am a high functioning autistic person.

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On 5/13/2018 at 2:11 AM, FrancisXKennedy said:

Looking forward to reading more! 

Thanks!

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1800

 

Candidates

  • John Adams (F) (Incumbent VP).
  • Charles Coatsworth Pinckney (F) (Running mate of John Adams).
  • Thomas Jefferson (D-R) (Incumbent President).
  • Aaron Burr (D-R) (Running mate of Thomas Jefferson).
  • John Jay (F) (1st VP).

 

Results

  • J. Adams: 70 ECV and 24.8% PV (18550 Votes).
  • Pinckney: 58 ECV and 13.8% PV (10287 Votes).
  • Jefferson: 68 ECV and 23.7% PV (17721 Votes).
  • Burr: 74 ECV and 24.9% PV (18614 Votes).
  • Jay: 6 ECV and 12.8% PV (9584 Votes).

 

Presidential Electoral Map

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Vice Presidential Electoral Map

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Aaron Burr (D-R), 3rd President of the United State of America, 1st Term: March 4th 1801 - March 4th 1805

 

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John Adams (F), 2nd Vice President of the United States of America, 3rd Term: March 4th 1801 - March 4th 1805

 

  • March 4, 1801: President Burr and Vice President Adams inaugurated
  • March 1801: Burr creates his cabinet, and continues his predecessor's economic policies
  • May 1801: Burr’s Cabinet votes to send naval forces to the Mediterranean to intimidate Tripoli; escalates into Barbary War
  • March 16, 1802: US Military Academy at West Point established in the Military Peace Establishment Act, which also does other things
  • October 1802: Burr calls on states to institute universal white male suffrage
  • Circa 1803: Ohio joins the Union
  • December 9, 1803: 12th Amendment approved by Congress, establishes a new procedure for electing Presidents and Vice Presidents (same as IRL)
  • 1803: Louisiana territory purchased from France
  • September 1803: Burr calls for the end of the slave trade in 1808
  • May 1804: Burr sends Lewis and Clark out to explore the new territory
  • June 15, 1804: 12th Amendment ratified
  • July 11, 1804: President Burr shoots former Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton in a duel, Hamilton dies the day after the duel due to the wound he suffered
  • September 1804: Several more expeditions into various territories are begun

 

President Burr declines to run for a second term due to the murder of Alexander Hamilton by his hand.

Vice President Adams declines to run for a fourth term.

 

(This is an edited copy and paste from Bruce Fischer's entire US elections run).

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