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Something tells me this shouldn't happen

 

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Welp better role out the T-34

 

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and the entire results: RedKen.csv

 

 

(note I love Ken Livingstone I just named it so for the rhyme)

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I think to myself that results can turn out so wildly different to the actual results that it's best to put all non undecided voters as committed voters.

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On 12/10/2017 at 10:48 PM, WVProgressive said:

Something tells me this shouldn't happen

 

RedKen.PNG.b65e98e9a0472091d2efa914bca6bcf1.PNG

Welp better role out the T-34

 

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and the entire results: RedKen.csv

 

 

(note I love Ken Livingstone I just named it so for the rhyme)

Dont anyone else think he look creepy.

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9 hours ago, Presidentinsertname said:

Dont anyone else think he look creepy.

Not as creepy as Tony Blair in his natural form

 

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2 hours ago, Presidentinsertname said:

the left wing bush as i call him.

Tony Blair left wing? HaHa ... oh don't be silly. He and New "Labour" are just Tory light.

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5 minutes ago, Presidentinsertname said:

it still left wing centre left is left wing.

The war on Iraq and tuition fees don't seem very left wing to me.

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4 minutes ago, Presidentinsertname said:

but on other issue he is centre left wing  (torys are blue dog democrats to our strandeds so yeah)

During his Premiership he and New Labour completed much of the Tory privatizations which the article I linked goes deeper into this. 

 

   https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/29/short-history-of-privatisation

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Just now, WVProgressive said:

During his Premiership he and New Labour completed much of the Tory privatizations which the article I linked goes deeper into this. 

 

   https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/29/short-history-of-privatisation

https://www.quora.com/How-left-wing-really-was-Labour-under-Tony-Blair

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1 minute ago, Presidentinsertname said:

you can be for privatizations and still be left wing.

 Depends on how you define left-wing and whether a dedication to market forces can be included in that.

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Just now, WVProgressive said:

 Depends on how you define left-wing and whether a dedication to market forces can be included in that.

considering you got Tony Benn in your interset i can see why you got your view part ( i do like tony benn for his anti war and anti eu ideas too bad he didnt live to see brexit)) but blair was a centre left wing (hell he wanted the uk to go to the euro i believe not sure if this is a left wing position but from what i know of uk politics at the time i will say yes))

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3 minutes ago, Presidentinsertname said:

considering you got Tony Benn in your interset i can see why you got your view part ( i do like tony benn for his anti war and anti eu ideas too bad he didnt live to see brexit)) but blair was a centre left wing (hell he wanted the uk to go to the euro i believe not sure if this is a left wing position but from what i know of uk politics at the time i will say yes))

To me supporting an anti democracy federation that has capitalism ingrained in it's very constitution isn't very left wing at least to me.

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7 minutes ago, Presidentinsertname said:

considering you got Tony Benn in your interset i can see why you got your view part ( i do like tony benn for his anti war and anti eu ideas too bad he didnt live to see brexit))

He shall be missed.

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2 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

To me supporting an anti democracy federation that has capitalism ingrained in it's very constitution isn't very left wing at least to me.

and partys like ukip dont support the eu are they left wingers? what about people like jacob rees mogg is he a left winger to this logic.

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6 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

an anti democracy federation that has capitalism ingrained in it's very constitution

This sounds like what the United States is turning into, but I digress...

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3 minutes ago, Presidentinsertname said:

and partys like ukip dont support the eu are they left wingers? what about people like jacob rees mogg is he a left winger to this logic.

Well the way I see it the right wing is opposed to the EU only because of immigration and would rather just be able to benefit from the more capitalistic elements such as the single market.

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1 minute ago, WVProgressive said:

Well the way I see it the right wing is opposed to the EU only because of immigration and would rather just be able to benefit from the more capitalistic elements such as the single market.

yeah but that not what i am getting it you are a progressive socialist and blair is a centre left winger that is why he looks right like to you and most of the socialist factor of the labour party.

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6 minutes ago, Presidentinsertname said:

yeah but that not what i am getting it you are a progressive socialist and blair is a centre left winger that is why he looks right like to you and most of the socialist factor of the labour party.

My main objection to New Labour was that it betrayed the main point of the Labour party which was to implement socialist policies to help the working class. But New Labour threw the working man overboard to appease the establishment, 1997 (and every other election since then till 2017) was a battle of personalities NOT policies!

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3 hours ago, WVProgressive said:

My main objection to New Labour was that it betrayed the main point of the Labour party which was to implement socialist policies to help the working class. But New Labour threw the working man overboard to appease the establishment, 1997 (and every other election since then till 2017) was a battle of personalities NOT policies!

but new labour is still left wing that is what i am saying.

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1 hour ago, Presidentinsertname said:

but new labour is still left wing that is what i am saying.

Actually can you show me 5 thing New Labour did while in power that was left wing and I'd like economic issues because even Thatcher was pro choice. 

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On 12/17/2017 at 3:35 PM, WVProgressive said:

Actually can you show me 5 thing New Labour did while in power that was left wing and I'd like economic issues because even Thatcher was pro choice. 

Minimum wage, Tax credits, windfall tax on utilities, huge spending increase on education & NHS are all clearly left wing.

Human Rights Act, Civil Partnerships, devolution, Freedom of Information are huge changes - though not purely left wing they are more left than conservative (which is why so many Tories opposed them then & hate them now).

About the only thing you can say “he was not left wing” was he did not actively reverse Thatcher’s laws on unions or privatisations. (and, arguably, Iraq).

Some of the good things:

  • Minimum Wage
  • Devolution for Scotland & Wales
  • Good Friday agreement & peace in Northern Ireland
  • Freedom of Information Act
  • Human Rights Act
  • Independent Bank of England
  • Civil partnerships (although he wimped on full 'marriage' this was progress)
  • Progress in reducing Child Poverty
  • Huge investment in education
  • Huge investment in NHS (+25% increase in real terms) - taking it to record high customer satisfaction, shortest ever waiting lists - very different to previous or subsequent governments who want to privatise NHS
  • Longest period of uninterrupted growth in UK history
  • Lowest unemployment for 50 years
  • Lowest inflation in decades
  • Lowest debt in decades (in 2007 debt was 2nd lowest in G8). Funny how people forget that.
  • Some people would say 'banning fox-hunting'. 
    Personally I'm not over-bothered either way, but for those who do care it is a big one.
  • Positive & constructive relations with EU
  • Kosovo & Sierra Leone. Not wholly good and definitely controversial, but many people would say (at least at the time) they were 'good interventions'' ((this was from a list i found online))

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