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Economic Left/Right: -7.75 
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33

I'm curious how the questions about astrology and people being "naturally unlucky" affect the scores. I answered strong negative on astrology, and I think I disagreed moderately on people being naturally unlucky. I do think bad luck plays a major role in people's lives, but I wouldn't say it's "natural" in the sense that they're some how fated to be unlucky. It's just something that happens.

I actually consider myself a little more towards the middle on the social dimension - I think I have certain philosophical similarities to the Canadian Red Tories of the 1950s-1970s, even if my policy positions are mostly to the left.

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Economic Left/Right: -8.63 
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.03

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I am unashamedly on the British Labour's Party's left-wing. I consider myself to be a Civil Libertarian and economic Democratic Socialist.

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Whenever I hear "left-wing" and "right-wing" bandied about constantly nowadays, I can't help but envision the classic army boot camp drill sergeant yelling, "left, right, left, right." Essentially, so many people taking their political marching orders from loud voices and not of their own initiative or personally formed beliefs and - oh, God forbid, they realize the same political viewpoints, stances, and ideologies work the same or as well, or even at all, in all contexts or to all issues - because the ideological conformity and partisan loyalty demands the same ideals be applied to every issue and every problem and that those promoting other viewpoints MUST be sabotaged and spited, with a sports game mentality, even if the results are disastrous and gravely hurt the nation and people involved - being loyal to one's party and ideology is paramount, it seems - and NO GOOD has come of it, despite the self-delusion of so many today on that issue. This is why I detest the Manichaeist divide of "left-wing" and "right-wing" and will not sheepishly take a side - I will take my own counsel and support whomever in power I will give any support or praise to (if there is anyone at the time even worthy of such support), and will make no pledges to carry on such support over any period of time, and will vote strategically (pick-your-poison and least-of-all-evil scenarios in most cases, no doubt), and I do not see myself having loyalty to any political party that stands today that I'm aware of - pretty much in the world.

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1 hour ago, Patine said:

Whenever I hear "left-wing" and "right-wing" bandied about constantly nowadays, I can't help but envision the classic army boot camp drill sergeant yelling, "left, right, left, right." Essentially, so many people taking their political marching orders from loud voices and not of their own initiative or personally formed beliefs and - oh, God forbid, they realize the same political viewpoints, stances, and ideologies work the same or as well, or even at all, in all contexts or to all issues - because the ideological conformity and partisan loyalty demands the same ideals be applied to every issue and every problem and that those promoting other viewpoints MUST be sabotaged and spited, with a sports game mentality, even if the results are disastrous and gravely hurt the nation and people involved - being loyal to one's party and ideology is paramount, it seems - and NO GOOD has come of it, despite the self-delusion of so many today on that issue. This is why I detest the Manichaeist divide of "left-wing" and "right-wing" and will not sheepishly take a side - I will take my own counsel and support whomever in power I will give any support or praise to (if there is anyone at the time even worthy of such support), and will make no pledges to carry on such support over any period of time, and will vote strategically (pick-your-poison and least-of-all-evil scenarios in most cases, no doubt), and I do not see myself having loyalty to any political party that stands today that I'm aware of - pretty much in the world.

Left and Right are just points, but I'm among those who can't join a party ^^

There are two "political branches" in our current societal division

And both can enter in total and complete opposition.

 

Economically:

The Left promotes the equal conditions of life, the Right the total economic liberty of life.

Then, less you want equality among the citizens and more economic liberty between them, more you lean toward right.

On this economic stance I am just a Centrist, I think that a total economic liberty isn't more liberty than everybody economically equal.

 

Societally you've also the Left and the Right:

While the Left promotes a lot of news social rights, the Right promotes more Social Conservatism.

And Centrists promotes more path to rights without granting them.

 

And on this axis, I AM EXTREME LEFT.

Just to show you:

I passed a test on "Are you left or right" on 3 axis => 1st Economic and Social 2 Ways to live (Societal Rights) 3 Citizenship and identity

Left is left Right is right.

Here are my results

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And as Libertarians are FAR LEFT on Society and FAR RIGHT on Economy, they can't be classed x).

That's why Left and Rights are just "axis" for values and ideals, but it does not forces your vote.

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Pretty accurate on the left-right, but I think it should be further down the libertarian. I consider myself to be mildly anti-authority, against big and overreaching government, so I should be about -4 to -5 on Libertarian. But the problem I have with this quiz is the way some questions are worded. Example: "There must always be people to obey." and "Part of maturity is making peace with the establishment." I answered agree to these questions because... well I'm not an anarchist. Yes there have to be laws, and one must make peace with establishment. But I don't think these are authoritarian views. Making peace with doesn't mean you agree with establishment and doesn't mean you want more government control, it's just that the two co-exist.

And other questions like "Punishment for crimes should focus on rehabilitation..." Again, very vague and open ended. Again I answered agree but it depends on the crime and the person.

So I like the test, I think for me it's almost accurate, but there should be some wiggle room.

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On 11/7/2017 at 10:55 AM, Patine said:

Apparently, the sessions of the old pre-WW1 Reichsrat, or Imperial Parliament of the roughly two-thirds of the Dual Monarchy of Austria-Hungary under the Austrian Crownlands (the Kingdom of Hungary, by the Compromise of 1867, had it's won separate Parliament in Budapest, but shared the same monarch, and ministries of defense, foreign affairs, and finance) in Vienna were apparently so rowdy and acrimonious, leading to threats, slurs, insults, challenges, and even fisticuffs routinely, that it made a big impression and impact on an adolescent Adolf Hitler, who often attended these sessions in the viewers gallery, that this was how politics naturally was, and should be, conducted. :P 

British parliament is always fun to watch. Compared to them it makes U.S. Congress look almost civilized. Why is it the crowd has to yell or boo after every other sentence?

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5 minutes ago, servo75 said:

British parliament is always fun to watch. Compared to them it makes U.S. Congress look almost civilized. Why is it the crowd has to yell or boo after every other sentence?

The U.S. Congress sessions themselves may look comparatively civilized, when modern American politicians are on the campaign trail or doing rallies, it seems more like those segments from the WWE where the wrestlers self-aggrandize, pose, posture, and threaten opponents in the most vitriolic, incendiary, and often inaccurate and uninformed ways. And NEITHER main party in the U.S. is even remotely innocent of that phenomenon, just to head off a possible partisan response right there.

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If the Forum Users were a Congress, I think Green (Socialist) would dominate all the other colors combined, becoming filibuster proof. Purple (Libertarian) would follow next, a distant, distance second. Blue (Capitalist) would be almost non-existent. Red (Communist) might be absent. 

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50 minutes ago, vcczar said:

If the Forum Users were a Congress, I think Green (Socialist) would dominate all the other colors combined, becoming filibuster proof. Purple (Libertarian) would follow next, a distant, distance second. Blue (Capitalist) would be almost non-existent. Red (Communist) might be absent. 

Frankly those types of results disturb me, but I would like to see ages along with these results, and see if the adage "He who isn't a liberal at 16 has no heart, he who is not a conservative at 60 has no head" is true.  When I was in college, I'd probably be closer to (-4 left, -8 down). Just 10 years ago I voted for Obama. Then when I started working and having to pay taxes, I was red-pilled pretty quickly.

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19 minutes ago, servo75 said:

Frankly those types of results disturb me, but I would like to see ages along with these results, and see if the adage "He who isn't a liberal at 16 has no heart, he who is not a conservative at 60 has no head" is true.  When I was in college, I'd probably be closer to (-4 left, -8 down). Just 10 years ago I voted for Obama. Then when I started working and having to pay taxes, I was red-pilled pretty quickly.

I think you seem a "progressive fiscal conservative"

In that mean, you're for a conservative economy but you stay quite liberal on society.

I am among the news (few) generations of students who are fiscally moderates AND hardcore progressive on society, maybe I'm already old xD.

In fact, I made a bachelor in Economic and Social Science, it pushed me right on economy (while my teacher was a strong "liberal" in the american sence).

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14 hours ago, servo75 said:

Frankly those types of results disturb me, but I would like to see ages along with these results, and see if the adage "He who isn't a liberal at 16 has no heart, he who is not a conservative at 60 has no head" is true.  When I was in college, I'd probably be closer to (-4 left, -8 down). Just 10 years ago I voted for Obama. Then when I started working and having to pay taxes, I was red-pilled pretty quickly.

A lot of adages are just stereotypes, which sort of exaggerate a trend. I don't know how old you are, but @Patine and myself are probably in the top 3 for seniority of age in this forum. Both of us would be pegged as "liberal." I'm definitely more liberal/progressive than I was when I was younger. I voted for Bush in 2000 when I was 19. I voted for Sanders in the primary in 2016. I had a different reaction to having to starting working and paying taxes: I realized that it greatly benefited me as a worker, college graduate, and citizen to favor Democratic policies over Republican policies. In regards to taxation, despite never having made a lot of money, I haven't felt any real difference regarding taxation's impact on my life, regardless of the president. So I don't even consider that. I'd freely pay more taxes to improve many of the government programs

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I mean, the scale it self is pretty obviously biased toward putting people on the leftist side, for whatever reason. I've seen this chart used since the mid 2000s or so and the green area has always dominated.

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8 hours ago, Lyly said:

I mean, the scale it self is pretty obviously biased toward putting people on the leftist side, for whatever reason. I've seen this chart used since the mid 2000s or so and the green area has always dominated.

That's why I prefer isidewith.com 

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5 hours ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

That's why I prefer isidewith.com 

Same

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On 4/24/2018 at 10:02 AM, jvikings1 said:

Same

Yes that site is addictive.

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2 hours ago, servo75 said:

Yes that site is addictive.

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I don't know. I tend to find these strict political, ideological, and partisan labels to be more and more just chains - tools of more use to political opponents and debating foils than to one's self in any useful purpose. I'm surprised you don't feel the same way. :P

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26 minutes ago, Patine said:

I don't know. I tend to find these strict political, ideological, and partisan labels to be more and more just chains - tools of more use to political opponents and debating foils than to one's self in any useful purpose. I'm surprised you don't feel the same way. :P

I don't see isidewith as partisan labeling. The very test results I posted seem to indicate a spectrum. If every candidate was 100% or 0% that would be different.

 

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1 minute ago, servo75 said:

I don't see isidewith as partisan labeling. The very test results I posted seem to indicate a spectrum. If every candidate was 100% or 0% that would be different.

 

Well, maybe it's just because I dislike most of their politician examples. I'm finding more and more, modern day politicians, regardless of party, or even country, are annoying, disappointing, and even disgusting me. This is why I FAR prefer to play and design historical scenarios by the TheorySpark games as opposed to contemporary ones...

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It's funny for hardcore progressist and economically moderate like me to play this test.

because Trump arrives first at 45-47% then Clinton at 45%

Because economically I'm not enough democrat, and societally I'm too much for being

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4 minutes ago, Sami said:

It's funny for hardcore progressist and economically moderate like me to play this test.

because Trump arrives first at 45-47% then Clinton at 45%

Because economically I'm not enough democrat, and societally I'm too much for being

"I am a man, damn it, not a number!" Winston Smith, "George Orwell's 1984"

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Just now, Patine said:

"I am a man, damn it, not a number!" Winston Smith, "George Orwell's 1984"

You're number 374 now.

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