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Austrian Election 2017 Poll

Which party would you vote for in the Austrian federal election 2017?  

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  1. 1. Which party would you vote for in the Austrian federal election 2017?

    • SPÖ (Social Democratic Party) - centre-left; Social democracy
    • ÖVP (Austrian People's Party) - center-right; Christian democracy, Conservatism
    • FPÖ (Freedom Party of Austria) - right-wing to far-right; Right-wing populism, National conservatism, Economic liberalism, Anti-immigration, Euroscepticism, German nationalism, National liberalism
    • Die Grünen (The Greens) - center-left; Green politics, Pro-Europeanism
    • NEOS – The New Austria - center; Liberalism, Pro-Europeanism
    • Peter Pilz's List - Pro-Europeanism, Green politics (breakaway from the Greens)
      0
    • FLÖ (Free List Austria) - right-wing; Right-wing populism, Euroscepticism (breakaway from the FPÖ)
    • Meine Stimme gilt! (My Vote Counts!) - populism
      0
    • KPÖ Plus (Communist Party) - left-wing to far-left; Communism, Environmentalism
      0
    • Die Weißen (The Whites) - they do not have a Wikipedia page (I'd say populism and perhaps anti-establishment - I don't know much of them, they have no real program)
      0
  2. 2. Only three people are likely to become chancellor. Would you vote for Christian Kern, Sebastian Kurz or Heinz-Christian Strache?

    • Christian Kern (SPÖ)
    • Sebastian Kurz (ÖVP)
    • Heinz-Christian Strache (FPÖ)
  3. 3. Which (realistic) coalition would you prefer?

    • Grand coalition (ÖVP + SPÖ) - ÖVP leading
    • Grand coalition (SPÖ + ÖVP) - SPÖ leading
    • Black Blue coalition (ÖVP + FPÖ)
    • Blue Black coalition (FPÖ + ÖVP)
    • Red Blue coalition (SPÖ + FPÖ)
      0
    • Blue Red coalition (FPÖ + SPÖ)
    • Red Green coalition (SPÖ + The Greens)
    • Black Green coalition (ÖVP + The Greens)
      0
    • Center Left coalition (SPÖ + The Greens + NEOS)
    • Left coalition (SPÖ + The Greens + Peter Pilz's list)
      0
    • Social liberal coalition (SPÖ + NEOS + Peter Pilz's list)
    • Black Green Pilz coalition (ÖVP + The Greens + Peter Pilz's list)
      0
    • Black Green Pink coalition (ÖVP + The Greens + NEOS)
      0
    • Black Pink Pilz coalition (ÖVP + NEOS + Peter Pilz's list)
      0
    • SPÖ minority government
      0
    • ÖVP minority government
      0


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I have created a poll for the upcoming Austrian federal election. Since I live in Austria it's very special and interesting for me. I included all parties which have ballot access in all 9 states and I copied the ideologies of the parties from Wikipedia, to avoid any accusation of being biased of certain parties. :D The 2nd question is just hypothetical and out of curiosity. I guess I covered all possible and realistic coalitions...

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I put FPO because I prefer them due to their Eurosceptic stance.  But, it is really a toss up because I really like Kurz.  I am hoping he can move his party into the more Eurosceptic territory as well as influences from the FPO.

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Hmm. I guess I'd vote Green, though it sounds like their conduct during their first term in parliament was a bit...odd:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greens_–_The_Green_Alternative#Federal_level

I don't know a whole lot about NEOS. If they are "market liberals" then I'd prefer they not be part of the government. Though my priority would be "anybody but the FPÖ."

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2 hours ago, jvikings1 said:

I put FPO because I prefer them due to their Eurosceptic stance.  But, it is really a toss up because I really like Kurz.  I am hoping he can move his party into the more Eurosceptic territory as well as influences from the FPO.

You seem to favour Eurosceptic, and parochial nationalist parties in general (unless they're Islamist) by default. But, though I admit there strong flaws in the EU and UN as stands, don't you see that, in the world as it stands, which is certainly not the world of 100 years ago where insular, isolationist politics actually did work at times, we now live in an age so interconnected and interdependent across the globe and where the "butterfly effect" globally is very real and a bad crop in Colombia skyrockets coffee worldwide (not to mention other commodities being drastically affected from small, Third World origins), that nations retreating to hide behind their borders and cut down on any sort of global coordination or cooperation at all that's not simply and easily sabotaged by individual participants by simple whims or unrealistic demands, is not going to be workable in the long-term in the world we live in today. Even the nation in the world that maintains the greatest amount of isolation, North Korea, is failing in that regard as well, and not JUST because of nuclear tests and threats by Kim Jong-un but are suffering much more profound issues due to the logistics and problems of their isolation. That's just a fact everyone in this world with any vision or sense, even parochialists and nationalists must deal with. Some sort of workable forum for international cooperation with some mechanism of enforcement of necessary provisions made in good faith by those nations party to it must be found, or the long-term consequences will be bleak and dire indeed for EVERYONE.

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Pardon my ignorance,  but would the SPÖ and FPÖ coalition be built on preserving the social spending programs? 

 

Also I'm pretty shocked that Austria doesn't have a Democratic Socialists party; I guess its voting populist is very conservative.

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4 hours ago, Patine said:

You seem to favour Eurosceptic, and parochial nationalist parties in general (unless they're Islamist) by default. But, though I admit there strong flaws in the EU and UN as stands, don't you see that, in the world as it stands, which is certainly not the world of 100 years ago where insular, isolationist politics actually did work at times, we now live in an age so interconnected and interdependent across the globe and where the "butterfly effect" globally is very real and a bad crop in Colombia skyrockets coffee worldwide (not to mention other commodities being drastically affected from small, Third World origins), that nations retreating to hide behind their borders and cut down on any sort of global coordination or cooperation at all that's not simply and easily sabotaged by individual participants by simple whims or unrealistic demands, is not going to be workable in the long-term in the world we live in today. Even the nation in the world that maintains the greatest amount of isolation, North Korea, is failing in that regard as well, and not JUST because of nuclear tests and threats by Kim Jong-un but are suffering much more profound issues due to the logistics and problems of their isolation. That's just a fact everyone in this world with any vision or sense, even parochialists and nationalists must deal with. Some sort of workable forum for international cooperation with some mechanism of enforcement of necessary provisions made in good faith by those nations party to it must be found, or the long-term consequences will be bleak and dire indeed for EVERYONE.

Being Eurosceptic is high up in my book, but that doesn't mean I automatically support the party.  In Greece, I would not support Golden Dawn in a million years.  I am fine with a UN-type organization, but the current UN is far too bureaucratic and is pretty much pointless.  With regards to the EU, I do not support the attempts to establish a United States of Europe.  Eurosceptics, including myself, agree that the idea was good for a common market (and the UK voted 2/3rds in favor of remaining in it), but it has vastly been transformed into a political union with the goal of abolishing the nation-state in Europe (which is why many people who voted in favor of the common market voted to leave the EU).  Also, I don't want complete isolationism.  I do think the US has overextended itself and should withdraw somewhat from its current position.  But, complete isolationism is impossible in today's world.

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8 minutes ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

Pardon my ignorance,  but would the SPÖ and FPÖ coalition be built on preserving the social spending programs? 

 

Also I'm pretty shocked that Austria doesn't have a Democratic Socialists party; I guess its voting populist is very conservative.

SPO stands for (translated from German) Social Democratic Party of Austria, and in previous decades they were strongly socialistically aligned, but now are just a slightly left-of-centre, moderate party with a name they no longer really live up to in the modern day.

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1 minute ago, jvikings1 said:

Being Eurosceptic is high up in my book, but that doesn't mean I automatically support the party.  In Greece, I would not support Golden Dawn in a million years.  I am fine with a UN-type organization, but the current UN is far too bureaucratic and is pretty much pointless.  With regards to the EU, I do not support the attempts to establish a United States of Europe.  Eurosceptics, including myself, agree that the idea was good for a common market (and the UK voted 2/3rds in favor of remaining in it), but it has vastly been transformed into a political union with the goal of abolishing the nation-state in Europe (which is why many people who voted in favor of the common market voted to leave the EU).  Also, I don't want complete isolationism.  I do think the US has overextended itself and should withdraw somewhat from its current position.  But, complete isolationism is impossible in today's world.

If, hypothetically speaking, a popular (to a degree) grassroots movement rose in the U.S. at some point in the near future that expanded further on the States Rights ideals and complained about further Federal authority over the State governments beyond what they perceived as reasonable grounds (and assuming Federal power over State had increased at least as much proportionately to recent decades), and this movement wanted a "Velvet Dissolution" (to use the "Velvet" descriptor of the peaceful, amicable "Velvet Divorce" of Czechoslovakia into the Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1992) of the Union into 55 sovereign nations (the Commonwealths and Incorporated Territories receiving independence by default), with DC being returned to Maryland, as the only solution to resolve the issue, how would you feel in terms of support or not, hypothetically speaking?

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15 minutes ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

Pardon my ignorance,  but would the SPÖ and FPÖ coalition be built on preserving the social spending programs? 

 

Also I'm pretty shocked that Austria doesn't have a Democratic Socialists party; I guess its voting populist is very conservative.

It would probably be about social spending programs because the FPO is to the left of the OVP on economics.  But, they are for reducing immigration which strains those programs.

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5 minutes ago, Patine said:

If, hypothetically speaking, a popular (to a degree) grassroots movement rose in the U.S. at some point in the near future that expanded further on the States Rights ideals and complained about further Federal authority over the State governments beyond what they perceived as reasonable grounds (and assuming Federal power over State had increased at least as much proportionately to recent decades), and this movement wanted a "Velvet Dissolution" (to use the "Velvet" descriptor of the peaceful, amicable "Velvet Divorce" of Czechoslovakia into the Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1992) of the Union into 55 sovereign nations (the Commonwealths and Incorporated Territories receiving independence by default), with DC being returned to Maryland, as the only solution to resolve the issue, how would you feel in terms of support or not, hypothetically speaking?

It's difficult to answer such a broad question.  If the federal government was overreaching into states rights, I would support something to reverse that.

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1 hour ago, jvikings1 said:

It would probably be about social spending programs because the FPO is to the left of the OVP on economics.  But, they are for reducing immigration which strains those programs.

That's what I figured. Be akin to Democrats saying they'd work with Trump on infrastructure(when he was inaugurated). But I feel that divide in several issues ( Immigration and the EU) might cause the coalition to be short lived.

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On 9/22/2017 at 6:37 PM, RI Democrat said:

Hmm. I guess I'd vote Green, though it sounds like their conduct during their first term in parliament was a bit...odd:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greens_–_The_Green_Alternative#Federal_level

I don't know a whole lot about NEOS. If they are "market liberals" then I'd prefer they not be part of the government. Though my priority would be "anybody but the FPÖ."

I might re do this one with more information on the platforms, because the Wikipedia explanations of the parties were quite unsatisfying. The election will be on Oct. 15th so we still have some time.

Germany worked better I guess.

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18 hours ago, Patine said:

SPO stands for (translated from German) Social Democratic Party of Austria, and in previous decades they were strongly socialistically aligned, but now are just a slightly left-of-centre, moderate party with a name they no longer really live up to in the modern day.

I could not have explained it better.

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