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27 minutes ago, Patine said:

Will Sanders pragmatically run as a Democrat in the 2000 and 2004 what-if's, or run under the label he did as Congressman and Senator from Vermont - "Independent Socialist."

I think he would run as a Democrat. I think if he was so bold as to have run independently, he would probably have lost enough backing to lose reelection, even in Vermont, since I think he has to have some support of Democrats, including Democratic fundraisers and power players. 

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Update: Events and surrogates are now done for 2000. I'm wondering if I might include Hulk Hogan's near-presidential campaign, just as a fun what-if. I remember he had a website and everything, arguing that because Jesse Ventura, "an inferior, less popular wrestler" was elected governor, then the Hulkster could probably be elected president. He went on TV, saying he would advocate a flat-tax, and that would pretty much be his whole platform. Actually, now that I think about it, he "declared," but I don't think he filed the paper work. 

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17 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Update: Events and surrogates are now done for 2000. I'm wondering if I might include Hulk Hogan's near-presidential campaign, just as a fun what-if. I remember he had a website and everything, arguing that because Jesse Ventura, "an inferior, less popular wrestler" was elected governor, then the Hulkster could probably be elected president. He went on TV, saying he would advocate a flat-tax, and that would pretty much be his whole platform. Actually, now that I think about it, he "declared," but I don't think he filed the paper work. 

I say yes. Put the hulkster in :P

He could run as an independent.

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19 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Update: Events and surrogates are now done for 2000. I'm wondering if I might include Hulk Hogan's near-presidential campaign, just as a fun what-if. I remember he had a website and everything, arguing that because Jesse Ventura, "an inferior, less popular wrestler" was elected governor, then the Hulkster could probably be elected president. He went on TV, saying he would advocate a flat-tax, and that would pretty much be his whole platform. Actually, now that I think about it, he "declared," but I don't think he filed the paper work. 

I watched the big WWA/NWO special where he announced it at the time (because my two younger brothers were obsessed with professional wrestling at that time, such things were often on television in the household I grew up in). They even did a parody on Clinton's scandal by having Hogan's own Monica Lewinski figure "ready and waiting in the back of his office."

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46 minutes ago, Patine said:

I watched the big WWA/NWO special where he announced it at the time (because my two younger brothers were obsessed with professional wrestling at that time, such things were often on television in the household I grew up in). They even did a parody on Clinton's scandal by having Hogan's own Monica Lewinski figure "ready and waiting in the back of his office."

Believe it or not, I was a huge Hulkster fan when I was a kid, so I actively kept up with his political activity. I don't think I would have voted for him, but I was interested enough to visit his webpage occasionally. I didn't really put much energy into investigating current events or politics until after 9/11, nor was a passionate about politics, or for or against any particular party. I was pretty centrist by default. 

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On 11/14/2017 at 6:13 PM, vcczar said:

@TheLiberalKitten

I'm done updating 1992. I'll send it to you to double check the endorsers, once you're done checking/fixing 1996 endorsers. It is possible the 1992 ones might be off, too. 

Will any what if vps opinions be in there for perot had a few even jerry brown.

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1 hour ago, Presidentinsertname said:

Will any what if vps opinions be in there for perot had a few even jerry brown.

I will include more VP's (what-if and otherwise) in the "final" update, after this round of updates. 

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Just space-barred through the 2000 election:

Gore 44.2% 304 EVs

Bush 42.8% 234 EVs

Trump 6.4% (Reform Party)

Hogan 2.9% (Not sure if the Hulkster ever came up with a name for his party)

Nader 2.5%

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2 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Just space-barred through the 2000 election:

Gore 44.2% 304 EVs

Bush 42.8% 234 EVs

Trump 6.4% (Reform Party)

Hogan 2.9% (Not sure if the Hulkster ever came up with a name for his party)

Nader 2.5%

I think he quipped at the big wrestling special where he made his announcement he was going to call it the "New World Order," (a double entendre with George H.W. Bush's notorious speech and the acronym of the National Wresting Organization (NWO) - one of Vince McMahon's big promotions along with the WWA and WCW, and the one Hogan was attached to at the time), but I don't know if that was in any way official, if anything was in anyway offical.

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I have to say that the Reform Party primaries for the 2000 scenario are going to be a lot of fun if you play with Perot and Trump turned on, to join Buchanan and Hagelin. It's such a strange party. They were basically single issue Reform, with extreme left and right wing policies, mixed with dead center policies. Hagelin was practically a male Jill Stein. 

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I've now added what-ifs for scenarios 1992-2016. I'll probably just release all of these together in a few weeks, since they are mostly fine (excluding 1992-2000, which need work)

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On ‎2017‎-‎11‎-‎17 at 1:48 PM, vcczar said:

I have to say that the Reform Party primaries for the 2000 scenario are going to be a lot of fun if you play with Perot and Trump turned on, to join Buchanan and Hagelin. It's such a strange party. They were basically single issue Reform, with extreme left and right wing policies, mixed with dead center policies. Hagelin was practically a male Jill Stein. 

Who will be the main what-if Republicans for that election? As I recall, historically, it was mostly Bush, Hatch, McCain, and Dole, and the others (whom I can't fully remember now) were seen of lesser prospect (at least by the media coverage) from the start.

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@TheLiberalKitten I'm not sure if you've gotten your computer fixed, but I'll be working on scenarios all day tomorrow. If I get on a roll, I might have several of them finished. 

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48 minutes ago, vcczar said:

@TheLiberalKitten I'm not sure if you've gotten your computer fixed, but I'll be working on scenarios all day tomorrow. If I get on a roll, I might have several of them finished. 

Not yet. It's in the shop so it'll be a while. Sorry I can't help :(

 

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I haven't really worked on editing scenarios before (still trying to figure out how to win elections in the game), but if there's anything I can do to help (in terms of busy work or tedious stuff) I'd be happy to give it a shot. I'm on a mac if that matters (though I don't know that it makes a difference in the editor).

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1 hour ago, thr33 said:

I haven't really worked on editing scenarios before (still trying to figure out how to win elections in the game), but if there's anything I can do to help (in terms of busy work or tedious stuff) I'd be happy to give it a shot. I'm on a mac if that matters (though I don't know that it makes a difference in the editor).

Basically, @TheLiberalKitten was going through the Governors and Senators, Speakers, in the 1992 and 1996 scenarios to make sure they were accurate. As these scenarios were copied from a later election, many are incorrect, so LibKit was correcting these for me, so I could focus on updating the other aspects of the scenarios. If this is something you feel like you can do with relative swiftness, then LibKit could pass this project on to you. 

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15 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Basically, @TheLiberalKitten was going through the Governors and Senators, Speakers, in the 1992 and 1996 scenarios to make sure they were accurate. As these scenarios were copied from a later election, many are incorrect, so LibKit was correcting these for me, so I could focus on updating the other aspects of the scenarios. If this is something you feel like you can do with relative swiftness, then LibKit could pass this project on to you. 

Out of curiosity, what do (or will) you list as the party affiliation and who (and which party) they leans to in support as an endorser for  Governor Jesse Ventura of Minnesota in 2000 and 2004 and Governor Wally Hickel of Alaska in 1992?

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28 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Basically, @TheLiberalKitten was going through the Governors and Senators, Speakers, in the 1992 and 1996 scenarios to make sure they were accurate. As these scenarios were copied from a later election, many are incorrect, so LibKit was correcting these for me, so I could focus on updating the other aspects of the scenarios. If this is something you feel like you can do with relative swiftness, then LibKit could pass this project on to you. 

Ah okay, gotcha. What would I need to set? The "Name" and "Description" fields seem obvious. I guess setting "Issues" to either Right or Left based on party (I assume some are Center- or Far- left or right, but I'm guessing you'll set those), the Effects panel (presumably 1 Momentum and 100 Footsoldier chance for their home state) and in the Surrogate panel, the Home/Barnstorming Bonuses fields to match their home states? And zero everything else out?

I could give it a shot, if @TheLiberalKitten doesn't mind. Which one should I start with?

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20 minutes ago, thr33 said:

Ah okay, gotcha. What would I need to set? The "Name" and "Description" fields seem obvious. I guess setting "Issues" to either Right or Left based on party (I assume some are Center- or Far- left or right, but I'm guessing you'll set those), the Effects panel (presumably 1 Momentum and 100 Footsoldier chance for their home state) and in the Surrogate panel, the Home/Barnstorming Bonuses fields to match their home states? And zero everything else out?

I could give it a shot, if @TheLiberalKitten doesn't mind. Which one should I start with?

All I need you to do is the following (assuming @TheLiberalKitten is fine with you taking over):

Endorser Name, ID name, description, home state, barnstorming bonus, and then their surrogate name, ID name, home state bonus (+2), and if they're a Republican put 50 towards Republicans on the surrogate page, or if they are a Democrat, but 50 towards Democrats. Make sure there are 50 state governors, two senators for each state, and that the Speaker is there. Don't worry about anyone else. I'll set the stances, and the surrogate abilities, but you are free to set them as you see fit, and maybe that will cut down on the time that I need to do it, as I assume you'll get some or most of them right on the nail. I'll need you to do this for both 1992 and 1996. I'll send you the file I have below. You may have to do the same for 2000 and 2004, but I don't know yet. Hopefully, not. 

United States - 1992-endorsercheck.zip

1996-BetaEndorserCheck.zip

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10 minutes ago, vcczar said:

All I need you to do is the following (assuming @TheLiberalKitten is fine with you taking over):

Endorser Name, ID name, description, home state, barnstorming bonus, and then their surrogate name, ID name, home state bonus (+2), and if they're a Republican put 50 towards Republicans on the surrogate page, or if they are a Democrat, but 50 towards Democrats. Make sure there are 50 state governors, two senators for each state, and that the Speaker is there. Don't worry about anyone else. I'll set the stances, and the surrogate abilities, but you are free to set them as you see fit, and maybe that will cut down on the time that I need to do it, as I assume you'll get some or most of them right on the nail. I'll need you to do this for both 1992 and 1996. I'll send you the file I have below. You may have to do the same for 2000 and 2004, but I don't know yet. Hopefully, not. 

United States - 1992-endorsercheck.zip

1996-BetaEndorserCheck.zip

Go for it! :) You have my blessing! :)

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1 minute ago, vcczar said:

All I need you to do is the following (assuming @TheLiberalKitten is fine with you taking over):

Endorser Name, ID name, description, home state, barnstorming bonus, and then their surrogate name, ID name, home state bonus (+2), and if they're a Republican put 50 towards Republicans on the surrogate page, or if they are a Democrat, but 50 towards Democrats. Make sure there are 50 state governors, two senators for each state, and that the Speaker is there. Don't worry about anyone else. I'll set the stances, and the surrogate abilities, but you are free to set them as you see fit, and maybe that will cut down on the time that I need to do it, as I assume you'll get some or most of them right on the nail. I'll need you to do this for both 1992 and 1996. I'll send you the file I have below. You may have to do the same for 2000 and 2004, but I don't know yet. Hopefully, not. 

United States - 1992-endorsercheck.zip

1996-BetaEndorserCheck.zip

Sounds good, I'll give it a shot.

Regarding stances/abilities, I probably don't have the requisite knowledge to know who the more moderate/extreme Senators/Governors were in the 90s, though after the Endorsers are set up, I could take a look (I actually have a bunch of old Almanacs of American Politics, I think they have voting records).

One other question - Should these be the Governors/Senators at the beginning of the scenario, or at the beginning of the general election? I know some states have gubernatorial races that are in off-years (which may coincide with the early primaries), and there are occasional special elections. Though, these are few and far between, so I guess I could go with the beginning of the scenario and it would be easy to make changes if need be.

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In case it helps though, I can set the stances to a default that makes sense. It looks like in the 1992 scenario for instance (which has endorsers from a decade or so later), the defaults are:

Center-Left for Dems ; Center-Right for GOP

Should those be the defaults? Or should the defaults be:

Left for Dems ; Right for GOP

I'll do whichever is easier (meaning, whichever requires fewer changes afterwards).

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7 minutes ago, thr33 said:

In case it helps though, I can set the stances to a default that makes sense. It looks like in the 1992 scenario for instance (which has endorsers from a decade or so later), the defaults are:

Center-Left for Dems ; Center-Right for GOP

Should those be the defaults? Or should the defaults be:

Left for Dems ; Right for GOP

I'll do whichever is easier (meaning, whichever requires fewer changes afterwards).

Center-left and center-right....thanks!

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1 hour ago, Patine said:

Out of curiosity, what do (or will) you list as the party affiliation and who (and which party) they leans to in support as an endorser for  Governor Jesse Ventura of Minnesota in 2000 and 2004 and Governor Wally Hickel of Alaska in 1992?

If an endorser leans towards an independent, then I will adjust their support accordingly for that candidate. Perhaps 50 for their registered party, and then 75 for the independent candidate. Independent endorsers who could be surrogates will either have no favoritism towards any party, or will have favoratism towards specific candidates only. 

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