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#44 Barack Obama Legacy

Barack Obama's Legacy  

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  1. 1. Which of the following Obama decisions/events are positives for his legacy?

    • The first president of African-American descent [no, the Warren G. Harding theory doesn't count]
    • Authorized an economic stimulus package to provide relief for the Great Recession inherited from Bush
    • Obamacare/Affordable Healthcare Act; nation's first universal health care
    • While initially ambivalent, increasingly advocated marriage equality to fully supporting it; presided during the legality of Gay Marriage in all 50 states
    • Significantly increased drone strikes, far exceeding Bush's use of drones. Like Bush favored drones over risking the lives of soldiers
    • Opened relations with Cuba; flew to Cuba
    • Failed to fulfill his promise of closing Guantanamo Bay
    • Intervened in Arab Spring countries, such as Libya and Syria. Along with Bush's involvement in Iraq, which allowed for the creation of ISIS, Obama's intervention probably allowed for the spread of ISIS
    • Ordered assassination of Osama bin Laden; along with bin Laden presided over the killing of numerous terrorist leaders
    • Signed financial regulation reform with Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform
    • Officially ended Iraq War and Afghanistan War; although, troops are still present in advising and support roles
    • Worked to prevent deportation of immigrants and to make citizenship easier for law-abiding immigrants, but most of Obama's immigration policy was blocked by Congress
    • Faced the strongest Congressional opposition since Gerald Ford
    • Saw massive loses in the US House, and the lost of the US Senate during his presidency
    • Selected Joe Biden as his VP
    • Appointed several high-profile Democrats and inter-party rivals to his cabinet, including Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, etc.
    • Appointed Elena Kagen and Sonia Sotomayor to the SC, the latter is the first Hispanic SC justice in US history
    • Appointed Merrick Garland, an experienced swing-judge, but Republicans refused to consider him to leave the seat open for Donald Trump
    • As with Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II, presided during an increasing national debt and deficit spending
    • None of the above
  2. 2. part 2 of the above

    • Signed major legislation and executive orders to combat climate change
    • Negotiated a deal with Iran to compel them from creating a nuclear weapons with an agreement to removed many of the sanctions in exchange for inspection and transparency
    • Banned extreme torture, such as waterboarding
    • Presided during economic recovery from the Great Recession, which he inherited. Unemployment decreased by more than double. GDP and income also increased; albeit slower than desired.
    • Increased the Federal minimum wage; advocated increasing it again in his second term to $12 an hour
    • Extended most of the "Bush Tax Cuts"
    • Advocated raising the debt ceiling to avert government shutdown
    • Continued the US policy of vetoing a Palestinian state and increased aid to Israel, while advocating a two-state solution
    • Refused to intervene when Russia made power grabs in Crimea and Georgia
    • Signed the New START Treaty with Russia, reducing nuclear stockpiles in both countries
    • Promoted the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and other multi-lateral Free Trade agreements
    • Mostly avoided intervening in the Syrian Civil War, despite a humanitarian crisis; however, he did plan to take in Syrian refugees
    • Extended much of the Patriot Act, but ended many of the controversial aspects such as the collecting of telephone records by NSA
    • Vetoed the Keystone XL Pipeline
    • Evoking JFK's Moon Speech; Obama, in a similar major speech, called for a man on Mars by the 2030s.
    • Soft on the War on Drugs, especially by not cracking down on marijuana possession at the federal level; presided as states began to legalize the drug
    • Presided during the outbreak of Black Lives Matter, which exposed some police violence and some racism
    • Allowed stem cell research, and increased funding for medical research overall
    • Worked to preserve net neutrality by asking the FCC to reclassify broadband internet service
    • Left office with arguably the highest approval rating for an out-going president, arguably surpassing Reagan and Clinton.
  3. 3. In general, your opinion of Obama's presidency is...



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Here's the new poll, which will be used towards a forum ranking. 

All previous presidents have polls in this forum with the number of their presidency before their name.

Please take these polls if you have not done so already. 

If anyone needs clarification/definition of an event/decision, then I'll be glad to provide one. 

****NOTE: IF YOU COULD NOT TAKE THE JAMES BUCHANAN POLL, PLEASE LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS AND LET ME KNOW WHICH EVENTS/DECISIONS (IF ANY) YOU AGREE WITH AS WELL AS YOUR ANSWERS TO QUESTION 2 and 3. You can PM me. THANKS! (I need one more vote)**** 

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Wish I could have added a few more things

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Republicans: I know you all hate Barack Obama the President, but how do you feel about Barack Obama the person?  I feel like he's sorta like W. Bush in the sense that even if you disagree with him on everything, he's easy to like, unlike most Presidents you disagree with. 

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1 hour ago, jnewt said:

Republicans: I know you all hate Barack Obama the President, but how do you feel about Barack Obama the person?  I feel like he's sorta like W. Bush in the sense that even if you disagree with him on everything, he's easy to like, unlike most Presidents you disagree with. 

And he's very thick-skinned and statesmanlike.

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3 more votes, and then I'll have Trump's poll up. 

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I decided to add Trump's poll just to finish this up, but I still need 12 Obama votes. Additionally, it would be nice if you went back and voted on the presidents with whom you did not vote on previously. More on this later. 

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27 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I decided to add Trump's poll just to finish this up, but I still need 12 Obama votes. Additionally, it would be nice if you went back and voted on the presidents with whom you did not vote on previously. More on this later. 

Will you be writing a wrap-up post with the ranking and other interesting facts you found once the Trump poll has 12 votes?

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4 minutes ago, Bruce Fischer said:

Will you be writing a wrap-up post with the ranking and other interesting facts you found once the Trump poll has 12 votes?

Yeah, I'll have a communal ranking of the presidents, or rankings, rather, broken down into several kinds of lists. I'll also have individual lists for people that vote on every president. 

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2 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Yeah, I'll have a communal ranking of the presidents, or rankings, rather, broken down into several kinds of lists. I'll also have individual lists for people that vote on every president. 

Cool! I'm pretty sure I've voted on all of them.

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16 hours ago, vcczar said:

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Here's the new poll, which will be used towards a forum ranking. 

All previous presidents have polls in this forum with the number of their presidency before their name.

Please take these polls if you have not done so already. 

If anyone needs clarification/definition of an event/decision, then I'll be glad to provide one. 

****NOTE: IF YOU COULD NOT TAKE THE JAMES BUCHANAN POLL, PLEASE LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS AND LET ME KNOW WHICH EVENTS/DECISIONS (IF ANY) YOU AGREE WITH AS WELL AS YOUR ANSWERS TO QUESTION 2 and 3. You can PM me. THANKS! (I need one more vote)**** 

To be clear, I didn't select Obamacare, not because I'm opposed to universal healthcare (in fact, I'm a big proponent of it), but because, whatever was initially intended when it ENTERED Congress was NOT, at all, universal healthcare like every other First World Country outside the Five Dragons know it, when it LEFT Congress - it was a monstrous, unworkable, unwieldy, unnecessarily overpriced, awkward jabberwocky and Frankenstein's monster of political compromise and pander to soulless insurance companies that exploited it freely by jacking up insurance prices astronomically. Second, I didn't select not intervening in Russian aggression in Georgia and Crimea, because frankly, given the situation, that was a "damned if you, damned if you don't" type of situation. As well, a note on American military historiography - you said Obama ended the Iraq War and Afghanistan War. He didn't. He just ended US involvement in those wars. The wars continued after that. Many American military historians view wars as beginning and ending as an absolute where US involvement begins and ends. For instance, many Americans think of the Vietnam War as going from 1965-1973 - truth is, it raged from 1954-1975 (from 1946 if you don't count Vietminh's independence struggle against French colonial masters as a separate war, which modern Vietnamese historians don't regard as separate). I've even heard some American historians (mostly in the past, but even recently) saying outright WW1 BEGAN, as war in it's entirety, in September 1917, and WW2 began likewise as BEGAN a WHOLE WAR in December 1941.

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21 hours ago, jnewt said:

Republicans: I know you all hate Barack Obama the President, but how do you feel about Barack Obama the person?  I feel like he's sorta like W. Bush in the sense that even if you disagree with him on everything, he's easy to like, unlike most Presidents you disagree with. 

I think that he's a good person Like Bush 2 and Carter were.Though i have some major issues with his foreign policy.(though i'm more centrist/center-left on domestic issues in which case my views are similar to Giuliani's policy positions when he was NYC mayor).

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1 hour ago, republicaninnyc said:

I think that he's a good person Like Bush 2 and Carter were.Though i have some major issues with his foreign policy.(though i'm more centrist/center-left on domestic issues in which case my views are similar to Giuliani's policy positions when he was NYC mayor).

That makes sense. No one whose hard-right on social or other domestic issues could realistically be elected Mayor of NYC in the modern day and age. Giuliani's most socially conservative project as Mayor I was aware of was putting municipal restrictions on the rising number of gay and fetish nightclubs (not even outlawing them or closing them down, though a number folded because of the fiscal difficulties caused by these restrictions).

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16 minutes ago, Patine said:

That makes sense. No one whose hard-right on social or other domestic issues could realistically be elected Mayor of NYC in the modern day and age. Giuliani's most socially conservative project as Mayor I was aware of was putting municipal restrictions on the rising number of gay and fetish nightclubs (not even outlawing them or closing them down, though a number folded because of the fiscal difficulties caused by these restrictions).

That was probably part of his zoning the strip clubs and things like that out of existence(they used to dominates times square).He probably didn't intentionally target them.

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I can't respond to this poll because question 2 doesn't have a "none of the above" option.

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4 minutes ago, servo75 said:

I can't respond to this poll because question 2 doesn't have a "none of the above" option.

I didn't have room for it. Just pick the least offensive one, and I'll note this in the comments. 

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On 4/21/2017 at 8:42 PM, jnewt said:

Republicans: I know you all hate Barack Obama the President, but how do you feel about Barack Obama the person?  I feel like he's sorta like W. Bush in the sense that even if you disagree with him on everything, he's easy to like, unlike most Presidents you disagree with. 

I'm not a Republican, but Obama doesn't pass the beer test for me.  Good people don't hate everything about their country, strive to "fundamentally transform America" undermine the fabric of America, the Constitution and the capitalist free-market system, talk down his citizens and bow to our enemies, and bring the tactics of Saul Alinsky, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis to the White House.  After eight years our economy was worse, our military depleted, our enemies didn't fear us, our allies didn't respect us, we've massively increased the welfare rolls, let in tens of thousands of unvetted refugees, double our national debt, caused another trillion in increased student loan debt and tax hikes, cost his party the House and Senate, enforced a failed government-controlled healthcare system on the country, oversaw a stagnant economy, saw decreased wages and home ownership,     The only difference between Obama and Woodrow Wilson is that Wilson's hatred was overt.

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18 minutes ago, servo75 said:

I'm not a Republican, but Obama doesn't pass the beer test for me.  Good people don't hate everything about their country, strive to "fundamentally transform America" undermine the fabric of America, the Constitution and the capitalist free-market system, talk down his citizens and bow to our enemies, and bring the tactics of Saul Alinsky, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis to the White House.  After eight years our economy was worse, our military depleted, our enemies didn't fear us, our allies didn't respect us, we've massively increased the welfare rolls, let in tens of thousands of unvetted refugees, double our national debt, caused another trillion in increased student loan debt and tax hikes, cost his party the House and Senate, enforced a failed government-controlled healthcare system on the country, oversaw a stagnant economy, saw decreased wages and home ownership,     The only difference between Obama and Woodrow Wilson is that Wilson's hatred was overt.

This spiel is a classic example of a typical manipulative propaganda tactic - take a few nuggets of truth and unrealistically, dishonestly, and grossly inflate, exaggerate, and balloon them to huge proportions away from what those original facts started as, to make the target seem either much, much more horrible (as in this case) or exalted than is justifiably and actually the case.

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2 hours ago, servo75 said:

I'm not a Republican, but Obama doesn't pass the beer test for me.  Good people don't hate everything about their country, strive to "fundamentally transform America" undermine the fabric of America, the Constitution and the capitalist free-market system, talk down his citizens and bow to our enemies, and bring the tactics of Saul Alinsky, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis to the White House.  After eight years our economy was worse, our military depleted, our enemies didn't fear us, our allies didn't respect us, we've massively increased the welfare rolls, let in tens of thousands of unvetted refugees, double our national debt, caused another trillion in increased student loan debt and tax hikes, cost his party the House and Senate, enforced a failed government-controlled healthcare system on the country, oversaw a stagnant economy, saw decreased wages and home ownership,     The only difference between Obama and Woodrow Wilson is that Wilson's hatred was overt.

Calm down, Alex Jones. 

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