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After the UK Prime Minister announced a snap General Election

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There was atleast 4 people here that now cannot wait to make the scenario for that lol

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It's awesome, because we can follow another election. I would not have done the same, however. Anyway I'm officially endorsing the Tories. :D

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I was excited to hear this.  If I were voting, I would look at the polls in my constituency to determine my vote.  I prefer UKIP, but if the race were between the Tory and Labor candidates, I would vote Tory because I like the job Theresa May has done so far as Prime Minister.  Also, I really hope Nigel Farage decided to stand.  Even though I would miss his awesomeness in the EU parliament, he would do a great job as an MP.  After all he did, it is time for him to get a spot in Parliament.

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1 hour ago, jvikings1 said:

I was excited to hear this.  If I were voting, I would look at the polls in my constituency to determine my vote.  I prefer UKIP, but if the race were between the Tory and Labor candidates, I would vote Tory because I like the job Theresa May has done so far as Prime Minister.  Also, I really hope Nigel Farage decided to stand.  Even though I would miss his awesomeness in the EU parliament, he would do a great job as an MP.  After all he did, it is time for him to get a spot in Parliament.

Is the UKIP really relevant as a party after Brexit? It strikes me as being in the same boat as the Marijuana Party up here in Canada now in that regard...

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3 hours ago, Patine said:

Is the UKIP really relevant as a party after Brexit? It strikes me as being in the same boat as the Marijuana Party up here in Canada now in that regard...

Brexit has not been completed yet, so they are still important for the negotiations.  Also, UKIP isn't solely a 1 policy party.  While Brexit was the main issues, they still touch on the other issues.

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I'm curious how the Lib Dems will fair since Corbyn is still Labour's party leader and is to the left of many Englishmen.

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15 minutes ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

I'm curious how the Lib Dems will fair since Corbyn is still Labour's party leader and is to the left of many Englishmen.

Will, here's an English politician and leader of two former parties in the UK that's way to the left of even Corbyn, but, given both parties she's led are formally dissolved, and her current debilitating illness, she's likely not actively running under any label in this election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Temple

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I, and Nigel Farage, believe that the Lib Dems will increase their vote totals and MPs from the last election, but they will be hurt by the high Conservative vote totals.

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7 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

I, and Nigel Farage, believe that the Lib Dems will increase their vote totals and MPs from the last election, but they will be hurt by the high Conservative vote totals.

But, what about vote-splitting between Farage and May, and (possibly also) the guy who succeeded Griffon as leader of the National Party?

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12 minutes ago, Patine said:

But, what about vote-splitting between Farage and May, and (possibly also) the guy who succeeded Griffon as leader of the National Party?

But, UKIP takes votes away from the Labor as well.  Also, Farage is no longer the leader of UKIP.

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Wait, is Farage still the leader of UKIP? I thought he stepped down after the 2015 election. 

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Is it odd that while I am a Democrat who campaigned in 2016 for Bernie, if I were in the UK, I'd probably vote for May? Without the disgusting social conservatism, Conservatives in the UK actually seem to provide fairly stable leadership, though it isn't very hard to do with the train wreck that is the Corbyn labour party. They support gay rights, support women's rights, support universal health care, but also believe in fiscal responsibility and a strong defense. Common sense solutions. Every time I hear May speak she seem's sensible...

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11 hours ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

Wait, is Farage still the leader of UKIP? I thought he stepped down after the 2015 election. 

He stepped down after Brexit.

5 hours ago, Trey-Gowdy2024 said:

Lots of people are abandoning UKIP for the conservatives. They really should have rebranded after the referendum

Most are behind the thinking that they need to vote Conservative in order to prevent Labor from sabotaging Brexit.  But, the new UKIP leadership isn't close in quality to the leadership of Farage.

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On 18/04/2017 at 11:20 PM, Patine said:

Is the UKIP really relevant as a party after Brexit? It strikes me as being in the same boat as the Marijuana Party up here in Canada now in that regard...

I'd say so but they're holding steady in the polls. They do represent a crowd of socially conservative working class alike myself that feel disenfranchised by the socially liberal Labour Party.

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Would love it if there were more brits on this forum to back me up, lol.

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3 hours ago, wolves said:

Would love it if there were more brits on this forum to back me up, lol.

There used to be a LOT more Brits on this forum when I first joined, but I think a lot of them left during the period that Anthony was pushing American political games hard and to the exclusion of all else and was indifferent in firm answers about updating any parliamentary games (and yes, and there was a DEFINITE period of that sort here for a while). It's a shame - some really good scenario designers from the UK, like Treasurer of the PC, Display Name, and EGaffney (the latter of whom was from the Republic of Ireland, yes, but still VERY much in touch with British politics), among quite a few others, all left around that time. The management of priorities during that period I personally feel was likely the worst marketing promotion mistake Anthony actually made.

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On 19/04/2017 at 8:11 AM, Kauai said:

Is it odd that while I am a Democrat who campaigned in 2016 for Bernie, if I were in the UK, I'd probably vote for May? Without the disgusting social conservatism, Conservatives in the UK actually seem to provide fairly stable leadership, though it isn't very hard to do with the train wreck that is the Corbyn labour party. They support gay rights, support women's rights, support universal health care, but also believe in fiscal responsibility and a strong defense. Common sense solutions. Every time I hear May speak she seem's sensible...

It does seem to be the case that whenever we have a general election, we get left-wing Americans going on about how great the Tories are in comparison to the GOP. Oddly enough those on the left in the UK don't feel that way at all. 

The Tories have presided over the dismantling of the welfare state since 2010. May's rhetoric is more 'compassionate' than Cameron's but she has done nothing whatsoever to reverse it. Add to that that she is known to be quite authoritarian on law and order matters, that she has filled her cabinet with figures from the Tory right, as well as her pursuit of a Hard Brexit, and most progressives/liberals/socialists over here despise her government more so than any other since Thatcher. The Tories may 'support' the NHS, but so does any party that wants to be taken seriously by anyone - advocating the abolition of the monarchy would be less toxic than advocating NHS privatisation. As for women and gay rights, we are a much more secular country (somewhat ironically, given that Church and State are not separated here) and we don't have much of a Religious Right to speak of. 

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While I campaigned for Bernie in the US, I know if I were a British voter I would easily vote for the Lib Dems. Corbyn's views regarding Hamas/Hezbollah is obscene in my book. Compound that with his ideological purity tests and failure to campaign effectively for the UK to remain in the EU. 

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5 hours ago, RFK/JFKfan said:

It does seem to be the case that whenever we have a general election, we get left-wing Americans going on about how great the Tories are in comparison to the GOP. Oddly enough those on the left in the UK don't feel that way at all. 

The Tories have presided over the dismantling of the welfare state since 2010. May's rhetoric is more 'compassionate' than Cameron's but she has done nothing whatsoever to reverse it. Add to that that she is known to be quite authoritarian on law and order matters, that she has filled her cabinet with figures from the Tory right, as well as her pursuit of a Hard Brexit, and most progressives/liberals/socialists over here despise her government more so than any other since Thatcher. The Tories may 'support' the NHS, but so does any party that wants to be taken seriously by anyone - advocating the abolition of the monarchy would be less toxic than advocating NHS privatisation. As for women and gay rights, we are a much more secular country (somewhat ironically, given that Church and State are not separated here) and we don't have much of a Religious Right to speak of. 

I recall a columnist in the British national paper (in an online version) calling Cameron a "Neo-Thatcherite." I wasn't even clear, given the article wasn't actually even about Cameron specifically, but just a tangential mention, and that the political bias of the columnist was somewhat unclear (he was talking about Syria, not domestic affairs), if that, coming from him, was praise or criticism of Cameron... :S

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2 hours ago, Patine said:

I recall a columnist in the British national paper (in an online version) calling Cameron a "Neo-Thatcherite." I wasn't even clear, given the article wasn't actually even about Cameron specifically, but just a tangential mention, and that the political bias of the columnist was somewhat unclear (he was talking about Syria, not domestic affairs), if that, coming from him, was praise or criticism of Cameron... :S

He wasn't totally a follower of Thatcher because of his pro-EU stance. Margaret Thatcher was very Eurosceptic and was the reason UKIP was founded.

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Theresa May was on LBC today.  Here is the link if anyone wishes to watch/listen to the interview

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32 minutes ago, Presidentinsertname said:

Could ukip win back clacton?

This will definitely be one of the seats to watch.  There haven't been any polls released from here yet, so it is difficult to tell.  I think that the Conservatives will gain this seat, but it is difficult to tell at this time.  I would like to hear what @wolves and @LegolasRedbard think about this.

Also, @LegolasRedbard, I see that you are from Scotland.  What do you think about the SNP and their push for independence?

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