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I don't think Bush would be considered a real contender for a world government, to be completely frank... I could list the countries who hate him with a firey, burning passion, but I think these posts have length limits. ;)

Maybe Colin Powell instead? He's pretty beloved.

hey, if nobody likes bush in the world, (which nobody should) he can just be a really weak candidate, right? :)

Wrong! Americans are smarter and better than the rest of the world which is why they elected him! :D

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You MUST have Bush as a candidate. I'd say you should also have an American in the Liberal Party, so why not John Kerry?

I'm gonna start looking for photos for all of our candidates, so if someone could pass on the George Bush photos from the US game so I don't have to get that one, that would be helpful. My email is b.raue@mail.com

Also, I'm having trouble with the Senate game. I set it up so it should be playable, with a few things left like the Canadian game:

-Candidates

-Issues

-Interviewers

I have it zipped up if anyone's willing to have a go at trying to fix the problem. It goes through the Candidate screen fine, but then comes up with "list index out of bounds (-1)". I'll have a look through the site to see whether a solution has already been created.

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Here's my latest list:

Conservative

George W. Bush - US

Silvio Berlusconi - Italy

Jacques Chirac - France

Vladimir Putin - Russia

John Howard - Australia

Pervez Musharref - Pakistan

Hamid Karzai - Afghanistan

Arial Sharon - Israel

Atal Behari Vajpayee - India

Megawati Sukarnoputri - Indonesia

Hu Jintao - China

Liberal

Tony Blair - UK

Bill Clinton - US

Vaclev Havel - Czech Republic

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono - Indonesia

Victor Youschenko - Ukraine

Manmohan Singh - India

Sonia Gandhi - India

Paul Martin - Canada

Thabo Mbeki - South Africa

Social Democrat

Jose Zaptero - Spain

Luiz Lula de Silvia - Brazil

Hugo Chavez - Venezuela

Gerhard Schroeder - Germany

Joschka Fischer - Germany

Fidel Castro - Cuba

Robert Mugabe - Zimbabwe

Islamist

Abdullah II - Jordan

Seif al-Islam al-Qaddafi - Libya

Ali Khamenei - Iran

Osama bin Laden - Saudi Arabia

Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abd-al-Aziz al-Saud - Saudi Arabia

Another thought, apart from Oceania, the three Democratic parties should have a candidate from every continent. So we need an American for the Social Democrats, and also we need more Libs and Cons from Latin America and Africa.

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I've expanded this list a bit.

I now need the game photos for Clinton, Bush, Kerry and Nader so that I can use them in the game.

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Here's my latest list:

Conservative

George W. Bush - US

Silvio Berlusconi - Italy

Jacques Chirac - France

Vladimir Putin - Russia

John Howard - Australia

Pervez Musharref - Pakistan

Hamid Karzai - Afghanistan

Arial Sharon - Israel

Atal Behari Vajpayee - India

Megawati Sukarnoputri - Indonesia

Hu Jintao - China

Liberal

Tony Blair - UK

Bill Clinton - US

Vaclev Havel - Czech Republic

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono - Indonesia

Victor Youschenko - Ukraine

Manmohan Singh - India

Sonia Gandhi - India

Paul Martin - Canada

Thabo Mbeki - South Africa

Social Democrat

Jose Zaptero - Spain

Luiz Lula de Silvia - Brazil

Hugo Chavez - Venezuela

Gerhard Schroeder - Germany

Joschka Fischer - Germany

Fidel Castro - Cuba

Robert Mugabe - Zimbabwe

Islamist

Abdullah II - Jordan

Seif al-Islam al-Qaddafi - Libya

Ali Khamenei - Iran

Osama bin Laden - Saudi Arabia

Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abd-al-Aziz al-Saud - Saudi Arabia

Another thought, apart from Oceania, the three Democratic parties should have a candidate from every continent. So we need an American for the Social Democrats, and also we need more Libs and Cons from Latin America and Africa.

Please forgive me if i am wrong but Viktor Yuschenko is a more Right wing candidate. I say this because Putin endorsed his opponent and Putin is a Socialist. So obliviously Yuschenko is a part of the conservative party.

I might be wrong so please if i am show me proof.

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Yushchenko leads a political coalition that includes Ukraine's Liberal Party and Socialist Party.

From Wikipedia:

In 2004, as President Kuchma's term came to an end, Yushchenko announced that he was an independent candidate for president. His major rival was Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych. Since his term as prime minister, Yushchenko has slightly modernized his political platform, adding social partnership and other liberal slogans to older ideas of European integration, including Ukraine joining NATO, and fighting corruption. Supporters of Yushchenko are organized in the "Syla Narodu" ("Power of the People") electoral coalition, which is led by himself and his political ally Yuliya Tymoshenko, with the Our Ukraine coalition being the main constituent force.

He's really more of a progressive than a liberal.

The definition of conservative can also include that which is pro-establishment and status quo, which is where Putin would fit in.

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Vladimir Putin is most definitely not a socialist. He is very much a Conservative.

Do you think Yushchenko would belong in the Social Democrat Party then?

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I think he would belong to the Social Democrats. Could we also add a more moderate group that are centrists, neither social democrats, or right wing they could be just plain centrists. Also we must not forget the Prime Minister of Greece Konstantinos Karamanlis who is a right wimg candidate. What do you htink about that?

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Okay, I'll leave Yushchenko with the Liberals.

I think Vincente Fox should be a Conservative.

So, adding Fox, I have 42 names.

Conservative

George W. Bush - US

Silvio Berlusconi - Italy

Jacques Chirac - France

Vladimir Putin - Russia

John Howard - Australia

Pervez Musharraf - Pakistan

Hamid Karzai - Afghanistan

Ariel Sharon - Israel

Atal Behari Vajpayee - India

Megawati Sukarnoputri - Indonesia

Hu Jintao - China

Gloria Arroyo - Philippines

Vincente Fox - Mexico

Liberal

Tony Blair - UK

Bill Clinton - US

Vaclev Havel - Czech Republic

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono - Indonesia

Viktor Yushchenko - Ukraine

Manmohan Singh - India

Sonia Gandhi - India

Paul Martin - Canada

Thabo Mbeki - South Africa

Mahmoud Abbas - Palestine

John Kerry - US

Kofi Annan - Ghana

Social Democrat

Jose Zapatero - Spain

Luiz Lula de Silvia - Brazil

Hugo Chavez - Venezuela

Gerhard Schroeder - Germany

Joschka Fischer - Germany

Daniel Cohn-Bendit - Europe

Ralph Nader - USA

Fidel Castro - Cuba

Islamist

Abdullah al-Hussein - Jordan

Muammar al-Qaddafi - Libya

Ali Khamenei - Iran

Osama bin Laden - Saudi Arabia

Abdullah al-Saud - Saudi Arabia

Khaled Mashal - Syria

Abu Bakar Bashir - Indonesia

Mahathir Mohamad - Malaysia

Hosni Mubarak - Egypt

If anyone can send me the big photo of Clinton from the Presidential game, that would be helpful. He's the only photo I'm missing (apart from Fox, which I'll do now).

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I think we should split up the effort of putting together candidate profiles. This should include a blurb, their title, and their positions on everything. I've already got all the photos except for the big Clinton photo, but I'll get around to that.

So if you have a particular knowledge of some of these candidates, please take them and complete their candidate profile for the game.

I'm gonna take John Howard, Mahathir Mohamad, Abu Bakar Bashir, Megawati, and SBY.

Also, I've completed 14 issues for the game. I can't think of 4 more, so hopefully others can contribute the final 4 issues. Please also suggest any improvements.

AIDS Relief

-Scrap patents for life-saving drugs.

-Issue licences to over-ride patents.

-The UN should pay for AIDS relief.

-Subsidise costs for AIDS medicine.

-Give loans for countries to buy expensive medicines.

Climate Change

-Ration emissions, cut back dramatically.

-Ration emissions,

-Distribute emission rights, allow trading of rights.

-Provide advice to countries.

-There is nothing we can do about global warming.

International Criminal Court

-The ICC should hear all international cases.

-War crimes and serious frauds should be heard.

-Only refer extreme cases to the Court.

-Allow countries to 'opt out' of the Court.

-Abolish the Court.

Migration

-Free movement of people across the world.

-Force rich countries to take on more immigration.

-Balance border protection and immigration.

-Make it hard to move between countries.

-Close national borders to migration.

National Powers

-The UN should have total control over nations.

-Give taxation and military powers to the UN.

-Split powers equally between the UN and nations.

-The UN should only regulate trade.

-The UN should only advise nations.

Nuclear Weapons

-Dismantle all nuclear weapons.

-Hand over all weapons to the UN.

-Nuclear powers can keep the weapons they've made.

-Allow nuclear powers to produce more weapons.

-No restrictions on nuclear weapons.

Peacekeeping

-The UN should maintain a permanent peacekeeping force.

-Authorise ad hoc peacekeeping missions.

-Support regional organisations.

-Provide support to local peacekeepers.

-Leave peacekeeping up to individual countries.

Redistribution

-Heavily tax rich countries to fund poor countries.

-Partly close the gap between rich and poor.

-Help the poorest countries pull themselves up.

-Only tax countries if they benefit.

-Don't take money away from rich countries.

Religious Freedom

-No restrictions on religious freedom.

-Respect religions which respect human rights.

-Give preferential treatment to major religions.

-Allow nations to support a religion.

-Nations may impose religion on their citizens.

Self-Determination

-Allow independence for minority groups.

-Hold referendums where independence is considered.

-Set up an Independence Commission.

-Only allow independence if the state permits it.

-Don't allow any breakaways.

Terrorism

-Support the agenda of so-called 'terrorists'.

-Negotiate with terrorist groups.

-Address the root causes of terrorism.

-Prepare to use force against terrorists.

-Hunt down and destroy terrorists.

Trade

-Protectionism should be supported.

-Allow only poor countries to protect industry.

-Allow certain types of protection for countries.

-Scrap all tariffs, but keep some subsidies.

-Absolute free trade throughout the world.

United Nations Structure

-Abolish the Senate.

-Make the Senate advisory.

-The two houses should be equal.

-The House of Representatives should not have any power.

-Make the Senate appointed by nations.

Workers' Rights

-Raise minimum wage to OECD levels.

-Set some absolute minimum conditions.

-Leave it up to each country.

-Outlaw laws which impose too much of a burden on business.

-Scrap worker protections.

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Due to the recent events in Asia I'd say international disaster relief would be a good issue.

Disaster Relief:

*International government aid for disaster relief

*Regional government aid only

*Worldwide fundraising effort, no government involvement

*Some aid from independent regional organizations

*It is the affected nation's responsibility to deal with disaster relief

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- Jacques Chirac simply doesnt fit in the same party than Bush. Hes slightly right wing by french standard, granted, but that would make him too left wing to be electable in the US...

- I propose the following change..

Self-Determination

-Allow independence for minority groups.

-Hold referendums where independence is considered.

-Set up an Independence Commission.

-Only allow independence if theyre is major human rights violations against the minority

-Don't allow any breakaways.

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Those two changes to issues are good, so now we have 15 issues.

I still think Chirac should go in the Conservative party. Bear in mind that it is a conglomerate of a variety of different views. George W. Bush is very different to Vajpayee who is very different to Chirac who is very different to Megawati, etc etc, but that's the nature of conservatism, it isn't internationalist, like the Liberals, Social Democrats, or even Islamists.

But if you think that Chirac particularly stands out, maybe he could be made a Liberal?

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the question is : do you want the candidates to be allocated to such or such party according to their political position in their own country, or relatively to the US ?

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It's not necessarily in relation to the US, but generally candidates in each party should be as close as possible. Thus if Chirac belongs more in the Liberal Party (which is what I'm hearing) then he should be placed in there.

But obviously it's not the US spectrum we're using, since people like Vajpayee and Megawati, with ideas very different to US conservatives, are in the Conservative Party.

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I'm currently concentrating on the Senate, and thus I'm going through each country's politics and splitting the vote between the four parties.

I'm asking that a few Canadians and Americans, or anyone else who has a particular knowledge about a country, suggest local candidates and %s for the ridings of USA and Canada, and any others that people wish to contribute.

As an example, here's the one for Australia.

Conservative

48

John Howard

0

5

Social Democrat

20

Julia Gillard

0

3

Liberal

32

Kevin Rudd

0

3

Islamist

-1

Not Running

0

5

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just wondering how the electoral trends are going to work for this one? will each country want to vote for its pres/pm if they are running?

and if you want any help with party logos then id be pleased to offer my services

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Thanks for the offer regarding party logos, but we've already had some magnificent ones produced.

I assume that there is a benefit gained in your home region for your leader, but I don't know that it will be particularly strong.

Unfortunately there isn't a way to swing it for particular candidates, as there is great difference within the parties as to who they would support. I would think that many US conservatives would vote for a Kerry-led Liberal Party over a Conservative Party led by a Hindu Nationalist, but I don't think we can build that into the game, at least until we can create more parties.

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I've completed the issues for the game. These should be able to be used for the Presidential version as well, but I'm currently working on the Senate version.

//AIDS Relief

Scrap patents for life-saving drugs.

Issue licences to over-ride patents.

The UN should pay for AIDS relief.

Subsidise costs for AIDS medicine.

Give loans for countries to buy expensive medicines.

@

//Climate Change

Ration emissions, cut back dramatically.

Ration emissions.

Distribute emission rights, allow trading of rights.

Provide advice to countries.

There is nothing we can do about global warming.

@

//Disaster Relief

International government aid for disaster relief.

Regional government aid only.

Worldwide fundraising effort, no government involvement.

Some aid from independent regional organizations.

It is the affected nation's responsibility to deal with disaster relief.

@

//Human Rights

Countries must abide by strict human rights law.

Enforce the more important rights through the UN.

The most basic human rights should be enforced.

The UN should set down voluntary human rights laws.

The UN should not interfere in human rights issues.

@

//International Criminal Court

The ICC should hear all international cases.

War crimes and serious frauds should be heard.

Only refer extreme cases to the Court.

Allow countries to 'opt out' of the Court.

Abolish the Court.

@

//Migration

Free movement of people across the world.

Force rich countries to take on more immigration.

Balance border protection and immigration.

Make it hard to move between countries.

Close national borders to migration.

@

//National Powers

The UN should have total control over nations.

Give taxation and military powers to the UN.

Split powers equally between the UN and nations.

The UN should only regulate trade.

The UN should only advise nations.

@

//Nuclear Weapons

Dismantle all nuclear weapons.

Hand over all weapons to the UN.

Nuclear powers can keep the weapons they've made.

Allow nuclear powers to produce more weapons.

No restrictions on nuclear weapons.

@

//Peacekeeping

The UN should maintain a permanent peacekeeping force.

Authorise ad hoc peacekeeping missions.

Support regional organisations.

Provide support to local peacekeepers.

Leave peacekeeping up to individual countries.

@

//Population

Restrict families to one child each.

Provide family planning services and contraception.

Improve education to cut down on population growth.

Don't try to influence population growth.

We need to increase population growth.

@

//Redistribution

Heavily tax rich countries to fund poor countries.

Partly close the gap between rich and poor.

Help the poorest countries pull themselves up.

Only tax countries if they benefit.

Don't take money away from rich countries.

@

//Religious Freedom

No restrictions on religious freedom.

Respect religions which respect human rights.

Give preferential treatment to major religions.

Allow nations to support a religion.

Nations may impose religion on their citizens.

@

//Self-Determination

Allow independence for minority groups.

Hold referendums where independence is considered.

Set up an Independence Commission.

Only allow independence if there is major human rights violations against the minority

Don't allow any breakaways.

@

//Terrorism

Support the agenda of so-called 'terrorists'.

Negotiate with terrorist groups.

Address the root causes of terrorism.

Prepare to use force against terrorists.

Hunt down and destroy terrorists.

@

//Trade

Protectionism should be supported.

Allow only poor countries to protect industry.

Allow certain types of protection for countries.

Scrap all tariffs, but keep some subsidies.

Absolute free trade throughout the world.

@

//United Nations Structure

Abolish the Senate.

Make the Senate advisory.

The two houses should be equal.

The House of Representatives should not have any power.

Make the Senate appointed by nations.

@

//Womens' Rights

Strict affirmative action for women.

Provide extra services and some affirmative action for women.

The UN shouldn't interfere in these issues.

Protect traditional gender roles.

Women are inferior to men.

@

//Workers' Rights

Raise minimum wage to OECD levels.

Set some absolute minimum conditions.

Leave it up to each country.

Outlaw laws which impose too much of a burden on business.

Scrap worker protections.

@

@end

I've got images for most issues from the other scenarios, but there are a few that still need to be made.

-Human Rights

-International Criminal Court

-National Powers

-Nuclear Weapons

-Population

-Religious Freedom

-Self-Determination

-United Nations Structure

If anyone could do those images, it would be much appreciated.

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I have already mined all I can from the scenarios I have.

The list down the bottom aren't the ones that are covered. If you find an appropriate image in a pre-existing file please tell me, but apart from that I don't have those ones.

-Human Rights

-International Criminal Court

-National Powers

-Nuclear Weapons

-Population

-Religious Freedom

-Self-Determination

-United Nations Structure

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All is going well, well sort of.

I started the Presidential scenario today, doing quite a bit, and it works! Of course, every single state is 25% for each candidate, so it's quite random. At the moment the only candidates are the three Canadian leaders (Layton, Martin, Harper) and the King of Jordan, and in one game the King of Jordan won Canada!

I might put up a screenshot soon to show people, but I want to do a lot more before I send it out.

But I have four problems, two with the Senate and two with the Presidency. When fixing some problems with the Presidential Map, and implementing them into the Senate scenario, I fixed some of the Senate problems, but more have arisen.

It says:

-"Cannot find a province"

-"Division by zero"

Or something like that, and then it stuffs up.

In the Presidential scenario, while it doesn't affect the game, there's three problems.

-Sometimes in the Newspaper, it says something like "Layton: Free Trade good for America". I can't find this reference to 'America' in the code, how do I change it to 'the World'.

-When we are looking at the whole world polls on the right-hand side of the screen, it lists the number of EVs as 538, when it is actually 1501.

-When we are looking at the whole world polls on the right-hand side of the screen, the popular vote doesn't add up. Usually all candidates have more than 70%. And the problem is just as severe on election night, except that the figures are now negative.

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