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And you can't deny that Christianity is just ingrained into the American Spirit.

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Problem with that statement was Great Britain was also a strongly Christian nation at that time, and, in fact, the origin of all American Christian denominations in 1776 except the Roman Catholic Church and the Dutch/German Reformed Church, so such a statement as a rationale, in a broad sense seems dubious and self-serving (albeit, the other reasons were arguably valid in that day).

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2 minutes ago, Patine said:

Problem with that statement was Great Britain was also a strongly Christian nation at that time, and, in fact, the origin of all American Christian denominations in 1776 except the Roman Catholic Church and the Dutch/German Reformed Church, so such a statement as a rationale, in a broad sense seems dubious and self-serving (albeit, the other reasons were arguably valid in that day).

 

Well, I am Catholic and Britain simply wasn't honoring the people's God given Rights. and I can cwith certainty tell you Americans were far more religious. And for the sake of the thread can we get on topic please, why dont you post a platform Patine?

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1) Which political party would you run under? 

This one is harder than I thought it would be, but I'd probably choose Democrat because of some of my social stances and the growing progressiveness of American voters. Appealing to Republicans would be a bit more difficult, rallying that base wouldn't go well and I'd need that for a general election victory. 

2) What is your ideal party platform? (I recommend using the issues and answers on https://www.isidewith.com/)

Environmentalism vs Anthropocentrism = 66% Environmentalism
Capitalism vs Socialism = 74% Socialism
Small Government vs Big Government = 38% Big Government
Regulation vs Deregulation = 50% Regulation
Collectivism vs Individualism = 64% Collectivism
Laissez-faire vs Keynesian = 2% Keynesian
Tough vs Tender = 32% Tender
Traditional vs Progressive = 43% Traditional
Multiculturalism vs Assimilation = 2% Multiculturalism

Now, to actually explain all these umbrella themes. To begin with, my ideal theme, regardless of party, would be focused on creating a better future for America. The platform that I would ideally run on would be...
Abortion: Opposed except in cases where the mothers life is at risk, or she was not in a position to consent. 
Immigration: Illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be addressed. 
Gun control: The second amendment can be protected with gun control still in place. 
Discrimination: Put forth efforts to end minority mistreatment.
Foreign Policy: Stay out of other countries affairs unless there is genocide.
Healthcare: Universal, single payer health care system.
College: Two free years nationally, greatly increased government funded scholarships for those who do well.
Drug use: Provide rehabilitation efforts, highly tax alcohol and cigarettes. 

Now, as I am running for the Democratic nomination, the immigration platform would probably be reversed, and abortion toned down. I would play it close to the center still, though still change my platform to be left enough for the nomination. 

Who will you select as VP?

I'm assuming that I'm middle aged, still white, and from a political background. I would probably need someone further left if I wanted to appeal to the Democratic base, not exactly a Bernie Sanders, but someone further left or someone with minority appeal, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Castro, etc.

That being said, if my goal is to win not only the Presidency, but also try and set up the Democratic Party for the future when they've lost so much in the government, I would select someone also much closer to the center and try to 'redefine' the Democratic Party as closer to the center, with more appeal to not only it's typical base, but also more independents. I am going to say Julian Castro, Tim Kaine or Jim Webb. 

Which issues from your ideal platform are you willing to alter to secure party harmony and to win the general election?

Good question on this. I'm willing to go further left or right on a variety of issues, immigration, health care to some extent (I wouldn't go past the center on that), gun control, drug use, gay marriage, social security, interventionism, etc. A presidents true beliefs are often shown in office, so once in office I could at least stray a little from the official platform. I'm very close to the center on most issues, so I don't see myself having a problem altering too much. 

During your campaign in the general election, what will you promise to do in your first 100 days, if elected?

Oh man, this is a hard question. With no real control over Congress, there's not a lot I could realistically promise, we'd be looking at a gridlocked four years. I suppose that I could try and promise something as bipartisan as I can make it, whether it be about gun rights or terrorist measures. Maybe legislation regarding the regulation of abortions if I can, that would be easier to get by with the Republicans and perhaps Democrats would give begrudging support. In general, the biggest thing I would promise would be to change the Democratic Party and the political landscape, and fight for down the ballot races and more control over Congress to secure the Democratic Party's new closer to the center view. 

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I would love to, but this getting under my skin. You are saying a nation that made a huge chunk of it's income of the day on slave labour and cheated, stole, and seized most of their land from Native Americans, was honouring people's "God-given rights?" I don't see much of a moral high ground here.

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@Reagan04

America is not a Christian nation, it is a secular nation. Actually, as a whole, it is probably one of the least religious nations per capita; although, less so than parts of Europe. Even John Adams said that America was in no way a Christian nation, meaning it did not adhere to one religion, but allowed for the possibility of any religion, and potentially none at all. 

Teddy Roosevelt went so far as to say "In God We Trust" on currency was not only unconstitutional but sacrilegious. 

As far as the Declaration of Independence goes, if you read it, it is written almost completely with pathos (appeal to emotion). In that sense, it is propaganda. Brilliant and effective propaganda, designed to discredit a King, who had less power than his parliament. The Constitution, which does uphold a separation of Church and State, and thus encourages a secular country, is not propaganda, but laws. 

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@Patine

Yeah, it's irrational, hypocritical, unconstitutional, unamerican and would not be supported by 85% of Americans, many of who would consider themselves deeply religious. 

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@Reagan04

Saying that America is a secular nation is not an attack on any faith, it's simply fact. I, for one, am a practicing Christian who attends church twice a week and volunteers for the church community regularly, and I have no problem with the secularity of the nation. If it was not, you would see any and all religion with place in American politics, and that's a can of worms that shouldn't be opened.

Think about it like this. Even though the nation's government is secular, our morals are deeply influenced by whatever religion we believe in, or none at all. These morals are represented in those who run for political office. While there's a separation of church and state, Christians are not being discriminated against because of that any more than Buddhists, Muslims, or Pagans :) 

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Also consider this. When the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini gained power from the Shah of Iran in 1979, he actually DID declare Iran an "Islamic Nations." This meant not only a harsh, across-the-board interpretation of Shi'ite Sharia became law at all levels, but Baha'i, Christians, Jews, Sunni Moslems, Zoroastrians, and other religious groups who had long lived in the country suffered a pogrom unless they pretended to be Shia Moslems  and gave sincere lip service, actually did convert, or fled the country.

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13 minutes ago, CalebsParadox said:

Anyway, any comments on my platform and theoretical Presidential campaign?

Lol bunch of gumble let me get to it after I comment on this religious issue,this is a political forum which means there will be debating.

The United States is a secular nation were not under control and have to follow a religion like were under control by isil or something (you get my point)(and im catholic,but also follow buddist teachings im not super religious but still pray and believe that there is a god). The point of america is that your free. Your free to follow any religion or teaching,be homosexual,unlike the bible says. Were in a diffrent time now. Its not 1776 anymore. We arent fighting for independence againist Great Britain. The U.S was not founded under a christian nation. Some teachings attributed yes. An actual whole nation? No.

@Reagan04

 

PS GUYS THIS IS WHY I WANT THAT DEBATE! BETWEEN EVERYONE! :)

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37 minutes ago, CalebsParadox said:

1) Which political party would you run under? 

This one is harder than I thought it would be, but I'd probably choose Democrat because of some of my social stances and the growing progressiveness of American voters. Appealing to Republicans would be a bit more difficult, rallying that base wouldn't go well and I'd need that for a general election victory. 

2) What is your ideal party platform? (I recommend using the issues and answers on https://www.isidewith.com/)

Environmentalism vs Anthropocentrism = 66% Environmentalism
Capitalism vs Socialism = 74% Socialism
Small Government vs Big Government = 38% Big Government
Regulation vs Deregulation = 50% Regulation
Collectivism vs Individualism = 64% Collectivism
Laissez-faire vs Keynesian = 2% Keynesian
Tough vs Tender = 32% Tender
Traditional vs Progressive = 43% Traditional
Multiculturalism vs Assimilation = 2% Multiculturalism

Now, to actually explain all these umbrella themes. To begin with, my ideal theme, regardless of party, would be focused on creating a better future for America. The platform that I would ideally run on would be...
Abortion: Opposed except in cases where the mothers life is at risk, or she was not in a position to consent. 
Immigration: Illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be addressed. 
Gun control: The second amendment can be protected with gun control still in place. 
Discrimination: Put forth efforts to end minority mistreatment.
Foreign Policy: Stay out of other countries affairs unless there is genocide.
Healthcare: Universal, single payer health care system.
College: Two free years nationally, greatly increased government funded scholarships for those who do well.
Drug use: Provide rehabilitation efforts, highly tax alcohol and cigarettes. 

Now, as I am running for the Democratic nomination, the immigration platform would probably be reversed, and abortion toned down. I would play it close to the center still, though still change my platform to be left enough for the nomination. 

Who will you select as VP?

I'm assuming that I'm middle aged, still white, and from a political background. I would probably need someone further left if I wanted to appeal to the Democratic base, not exactly a Bernie Sanders, but someone further left or someone with minority appeal, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Castro, etc.

That being said, if my goal is to win not only the Presidency, but also try and set up the Democratic Party for the future when they've lost so much in the government, I would select someone also much closer to the center and try to 'redefine' the Democratic Party as closer to the center, with more appeal to not only it's typical base, but also more independents. I am going to say Julian Castro, Tim Kaine or Jim Webb. 

Which issues from your ideal platform are you willing to alter to secure party harmony and to win the general election?

Good question on this. I'm willing to go further left or right on a variety of issues, immigration, health care to some extent (I wouldn't go past the center on that), gun control, drug use, gay marriage, social security, interventionism, etc. A presidents true beliefs are often shown in office, so once in office I could at least stray a little from the official platform. I'm very close to the center on most issues, so I don't see myself having a problem altering too much. 

During your campaign in the general election, what will you promise to do in your first 100 days, if elected?

Oh man, this is a hard question. With no real control over Congress, there's not a lot I could realistically promise, we'd be looking at a gridlocked four years. I suppose that I could try and promise something as bipartisan as I can make it, whether it be about gun rights or terrorist measures. Maybe legislation regarding the regulation of abortions if I can, that would be easier to get by with the Republicans and perhaps Democrats would give begrudging support. In general, the biggest thing I would promise would be to change the Democratic Party and the political landscape, and fight for down the ballot races and more control over Congress to secure the Democratic Party's new closer to the center view. 

Awesome breakdown. Whas your stance on the enviorment and how we could deal with isis? Not being tottaly pro choice,you seem more of a Centrist to me. This seems like youd appeal towards the center of the Spectrum. Great for the General Election,primaries not so much. Thats why I wouldnt run as a Democrat. Even thought im center left. It seems like you need to be medium left to far left to win as a Democrat in the primaries and only a centrist to win as a Republican. I could see General Wesley Clark being a good VP pick for you. Now that would win you the GE but again how would you win the primaries. I'd pull a Trump (opposite way acourse) by going Far-Left to mid-left on issues even though your a centrist. 

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@TheMiddlePolitical

As far as environmental goes, I am strongly on the left. That, and abortion, are my two biggest themes IRL, so I would never completely reverse no matter what. That being said, I think that incentives for alternative energy and a serious look at the fossil fuel industry are in order, and nuclear energy would need to be explored further. I think that the environment is an issue that I could get by with being on the left in the general election even with a strong centrist message, perhaps that and healthcare are my strongest issue points in the primaries. 

As far as the primaries in general, candidates change a lot in between them and the general election. I would definitely be a centrist Democrat in the primaries, but if the Democratic Party has been beaten to such a pulp, I think that the message of an electable centrist candidate who wants to redefine the party and oppose the Republicans could catch on. It wouldn't be an easy route, but they'd be looking more for what's electable than what they'd truly want. (Think Republicans who supported Kasich or Rubio or Romney or McCain instead of who's closest to their ideology because electability meant more). I would definitely be a center-left candidate, but much more center than Clinton. 

Also, I think that this discussion could easily be split into multiple posts. Like, a post for each person's full platform and the rest of the questions (maybe a few additional) and then the community can dissect it and suggest things that would improve their chances or the like :) 

Just an idea anyway :) 

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1.) Independent, or maybe a personal vehicle party (much like Roosevelt's Progressive Party in 1912, George Wallace's American Independent Party in 1968, or Ross Perot's Reform Party in 1996, in the concept of such a party, but NOT based on any of those ideologies - just using past examples).

2.)Abortion - Full women's reproductive rights, but giving ample and expanded coverage for contraceptives in hopes of avoiding unwanted pregnancies.

War on Drugs - Though I myself  do not and have never indulged in street drugs, nor alcohol, tabacco, or cannabis products, and have a personal distaste for them and what they and the addictions they can do to people, I could legalize and control the sale and production of them, and heavily tax it, using the revenue from that tax to pay for free rehabilitation programs.

Firearms - While I believe a "sportsman's" rights are arguably protectable, there is NO reason a law-abiding civilian not in a state of civil war or government collapse should posses an assault or sniper rifle or submachine gun.

National Security - Abolish all illegal surveillance programs and unconstitutional mechanisms for abuse of law-enforcement (the Patriot Act, etc.).

Lower corporate taxation significantly for corporations that empiracally show the creation of domestic, as opposed to outsouced, jobs.

Base immigration law on skills and assets that can be offered to the economy instead on racial or religious profiling. Handle political asylum in a case-by-case, but both compassionate and level-headed manner. Do not guarantee asylum seekers citizenship unless they make efforts to earn it and be productive during their asylum period.

Regulate BOTH corporate ability to exploit employees and labour union ability to demand unfairly high wages.

Index Social Security and welfare budget with corporate taxation so corporate activities and environments that lead to high unemployment will lead corporations to, through their collective tax rate, pay for the greater number of people on welfare, giving an incentive to create domestic jobs and not drastically downsize.

Anyone  can marry anyone within the bounds of consent (minimum age of consent bumped up to 18), including same-sex marriage, polygamy, Hippy group compounds, or what have you, as long as everyone's is genuinely consenting and of age.

Begin talks with Russia, the UK, France, Germany, India, Pakistan, North Korea, China, Iran and (yes) Israel to begin nuclear disarmament down to ZERO nuclear weapons active on Earth.

Declare that the US will begin observing international law, as they expect all other nations to, and, as a gesture, sign the ICC agreements, potentially making it legal for US citizens to possibly be tried by an international for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

ISIS must be destroyed as institution, and a collective coalition (including Russia and Iran) must be gathered to do. The Kurds, as the current biggest on-the-ground fighters against ISIS, and who have gained the most ground-based, town-capturing victories, must be guaranteed a sovereign of their own.

Staring down China over sandbars is not a profitable military endeavor!

The world is much more globalized than it ever has been, and the 'butterfly effect' is far more profound than ever before. Parochial thinking doesn't work anymore. However, the US should shift was warmongering empire with predatory to putting those vast assets to productive use helping to stabilize the world globally without hair-trigger military intervention, and to help bring destitute countries to a better standard of living without a strictly exploitative technique.

Look into productive penalties to crimes than just execution and long incarceration that nonetheless are actually not slap-on-the wrist affairs at all. Reform the criminal justice system to help weed it of demographic bias.

Political correctness has failed, and in fact, is a running gag. Find a more organic and workable way of terminology that is neither PC nor outdated bigotry.

Affirmative action quotas have also and are also running gags. Improve education and work opportunities and incentives in areas where traditionally discriminated demographics in the workplace tend to congregate so they can become more objectively qualified for careers they seek.

A nation as wealthy as the US should NOT be one of only two First-World Countries (along with Japan) to have no public healthcare system. It's NOT a matter of liberty vs. socialism, it's an embarrassment.

3.)I have no idea what veep would even accept the invitation. Any ideas.

4.) and 5.) I'll have to think on.

 

 

 

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@Patine

I look forward to seeing what you would sacrifice to make yourself electable! It's such a hard decision, although many presidents don't show their true beliefs in the campaigning stages so ;) 

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@Patine Having zero Nuclear weapons is a great idea...but I dont see how that could work some country (Saudi Arabia or North Korea) most likely would still hide them,then theyd be the kings of the earth.

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Just now, CalebsParadox said:

@TheMiddlePolitical

Do you have any intention of restarting on your response to the 5 questions?

Yea Probably some time tomorrow,Im defidently doing them however,I just have work at 6am and im in PA visiting my parents so its later than usual lol

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@CalebsParadox @Patine

Thanks for posting yours. I'll have mine up sometime this weekend, I think. I've been pretty busy. 

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On 11/07/2016 at 0:21 AM, Reagan04 said:

i agree with that and I don't want Theocracy by any stretch, I simply advocate for Government that strongly considers religion as a basis for law and legislates morality into society but is not run by religious figures.

 

On 11/07/2016 at 0:37 AM, Reagan04 said:

Well first of all America is a Christian Nation and always will be if you don't like that then tough luck and you can leave if you want to. However, I'm not stopping you from practicing your religion or lack thereof. I'm simply upholding American Family Values and traditions.

This is not consistent. Perhaps you don't want a theocracy, but you don't want anything considerably better, like Iran. You spoke of supporting strong anti-sodomy laws. I am going to assume based on your comments and other positions that this means banning homosexual intercourse, immediately infringing on the private lives of up to 2-5% of the population.

Are you in favour of banning premarital sex, masturbation, pornography etc? All of these, if enforced, would require a big state to impose it and result in restrictions to people's lives who are not your religion.

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11 hours ago, Skavau said:

 

This is not consistent. Perhaps you don't want a theocracy, but you don't want anything considerably better, like Iran. You spoke of supporting strong anti-sodomy laws. I am going to assume based on your comments and other positions that this means banning homosexual intercourse, immediately infringing on the private lives of up to 2-5% of the population.

Are you in favour of banning premarital sex, masturbation, pornography etc? All of these, if enforced, would require a big state to impose it and result in restrictions to people's lives who are not your religion.

 

it is consistent and I dont want the American people to go to HELL

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"And we must always remember that choosing to not follow God's path is, itself, a God-given right, as stated in Scripture as Free Will."

The Reverend Rick Warren

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Well, either Reagan04 has no good response to that, or he got irritated with me yesterday, put me on ignore, and thus can't read it. Either way, I'm done this debate unless something new and agregious is said.

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no im here I had a family emergency for the last two days, but I agree with the good reverend and I would not abridge one's freedom to religion or lack thereof

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