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Ya, this request is made a lot. The problem is that ... it hardly ever happens. It happened this time around with Gary Johnson going Republican -> Libertarian, but we'd probably just start the game with Johnson on the Libertarian ticket, as he didn't have much impact on the Rep race.

2012 - There is talk of Ron Paul possibly doing it (though doubtful).

Buddy Roemer (not very important but was included in the 2012 update) left the GOP for the Reform Party.

Also, had the Donald run for the GOP and not gained traction, would he have just bowed out gracefully?

People also felt Newt showed signs of thinking of a 3rd party run in a concession speech.

2008 - Alan Keyes left the GOP to run for the Constitution Party, lost that and ran on even another party ballot.

Mike Gravel dropped out of the Dem race and ran as a Libertarian

1980 - John Anderson

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It doesn't happen often, but has happened more often though it was with the lesser candidates. It has happened recently in Connecticut and Alaska with Senate races. It does appear it could be something more in the future. One place this option could be more helpful would be with those who are within a party who leave that party to run for a 3rd party presidency, ie Cynthia McKinney, Bob Barr, Ralph Nader (Green to an Indy run or Reform), etc. This would allow someone in a party to switch and run 3rd party or even in the other party at the beginning at least. Just would add a new feature to the game.

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As others have said, it'd definitely be of use in custom scenarios and would also allow the 1980 scenario to be simulated more accurately, since that was a famous case of it occurring in a Presidential election. Besides that, 1912 (obviously as a custom scenario) would also qualify, would it not?

So long as there's a setting which toggles the likelihood of a primary candidate jettisoning his or her party for their own independent or rival-party runs (e.g. no chance of Obama running his own campaign if he lost to Hillary in 2008, whereas there would be an obviously high likelihood for John Anderson if he loses to Reagan in the 1980 primary) then it'd be a good addition. The only big issue I can see is having candidates go from one primary to another (as Gravel did when he went from the Democratic to Libertarian party primary), that'd probably be tricky to code and liable to produce glitches, and you'd probably need to have a setting for party preferences or whatnot so people don't "defect" to parties they'd never touch.

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As others have said, it'd definitely be of use in custom scenarios and would also allow the 1980 scenario to be simulated more accurately, since that was a famous case of it occurring in a Presidential election. Besides that, 1912 (obviously as a custom scenario) would also qualify, would it not?

So long as there's a setting which toggles the likelihood of a primary candidate jettisoning his or her party for their own independent or rival-party runs (e.g. no chance of Obama running his own campaign if he lost to Hillary in 2008, whereas there would be an obviously high likelihood for John Anderson if he loses to Reagan in the 1980 primary) then it'd be a good addition. The only big issue I can see is having candidates go from one primary to another (as Gravel did when he went from the Democratic to Libertarian party primary), that'd probably be tricky to code and liable to produce glitches, and you'd probably need to have a setting for party preferences or whatnot so people don't "defect" to parties they'd never touch.

Another option might be that if a candidate leaves one party to join another that they can only do so as a general election candidate. That was certainly the case with Roosevelt in 1912 and Anderson in 1980. Plus, the in the cases of Johnson, Gravel, and Keyes, they were bound to be non-entities in their original parties' primaries anyway. Therefore, only including them with their final party would be logical anyway.

I agree that it should be restricted only to certain candidates, though. It would get extremely messy and unrealistic if everybody did it.

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Will the AI now pick its themes and ads from the whole palette of issues? Having 9 candidates all using Leadership, Integrity, and Experience seems a little silly. Plus, the combinations didn't seem to make sense: in the P4E8 2012 scenario, you could see Gingrich running on his integrity while attacking Romney's leadership, whereas it would make more sense to have the issues the other way around.

I agree. I have tried it once and it really doesn't make any sense at all. I need to come up with something else I guess.

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