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Constituency-by-constituency results option for election night. This way, the region could swap between Conservative/Labour/LibDem control as the constituency results come up 1 by 1, but still using the original PMFE format, not the PFE one.

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This is my wishlist for PM4E games:

-More parties

-Progressive results on election night like P4E+P

-If you win or lose an incumbent seat at election night, they could say ''gain'' or ''loss''

-Results by numbers and percentages by riding

-Possibility of adding logos for endorsers and medias

-Exit Polls

-List of marginals seats

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- Using footsoldiers to target key marginal constituencies (as with Chancellor Forever)

- The Scottish National Party must become the 4th most important party over the Greens. They actually have a real chance of winning up to 10 seats. The Greens don't.

- Leader debates (on ITN, Sky News and BBC) which are happening for the first time ever need to be incorporated into the game

I will definitely purchase this when it comes out. :)

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-Progressive results on election night like P4E+P

-Results with individual numbers for constituencies rather than just percentages.

-More leaders for each party. I could provide a list if so desired.

-More parties

  • Labour
  • Conservative
  • Lib Dem
  • Green
  • UKIP
  • Plaid Cymru
  • Respect
  • Independent
  • BNP
  • English Democrats
  • Christian
  • Official Monster Raving Loony
  • SNP
  • Democratic Unionist
  • Sinn Fein
  • SDLP
  • Alliance
  • Ulster Conservatives and Unionists

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Multiple and biased polls, an idea that someone came up with in another thread. They would work well for this game. One poll currently shows the Tories on a 10-point lead, and another shows them on a 3-point lead. Not to mention that the polls have been wrong in several British General Elections, most notably 1970 and 1992.

Also, on Election Night, i would like to see a little banner or something showing the majority that the winning party has achieved (Or how many seats short of a majority the biggest party is in the event of a hung parliament).

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Like others I would welcome having the individual results in numbers aswell as percentages and an increase in the number of parties which can be included in a scenario.

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Gain, loss or hold terms would be nice as said before. Obviously I don't know the mechanics behind the game itself, but whether you've gained, held and lost a seat, it would be loosely based on another ridings file, that would contain the final results from the 2005 election.

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Multi-party coalitions would be nice, and also a system whereby some coalitions would only occur if none of the parties involved got a majority (for example, a coalition could be in place between Labour and the Lib Dems, but if Labour got a majority then the coalition wouldn't be formed).

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Here's my wish list:

a) For me, a nice selling point would be the progressive returns as they came in (gain, loss, hold); this certainly would add to the experience at the end.

B) Can there be more diversified forms of advertisements? With British PMF2005, the only choice is how much you want to spend which affects how long it takes to make the ad and the potential for it being highly successful. Can the elements of other variations of Theoryspark games be added so you could for example, have billboards that take time to set up and stop, newspapers, leaflets and/or posters (particularly helpful for smaller, regional parties), radio, television, newspapers and party-political broadcasts? They could also have some restrictions (some can be used regionally, others only nation-wide).

c) When creating ads at the very start in other games, you can instantly create 3 with a certain % chance of being highly successful, but I haven't yet created one that was highly successful - can this be fixed?

d) When doing media interviews, can the variables be changed so that it's possible for a party leader to have a potentially bad interview (as in President Forever + Primaries)?

e) For researching insights on political issues, occasionally I've researched an insight while an ad was being created and would research the same insight again but the second research would be finished before the first ad was completed. In these scenarios, I could've had two insights on the same issue - is it possible to expand this so a player can have more than one insight on an issue at a particular time?

That's about it from me for the time being. I'm really looking forward to this game when it comes out.

Take Care,

Matt

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4 things for me:

1. Vote totals (not just percents) in election night.

2. Also in election night, reduced number of screens (ie. the seat-by-seat results on the main election night screen).

3. A similar seat-by-seat campaigning system to Congress Forever 2010 (ie. targeting, watchlist, private polling, etc.) AND interface.

4. Base it off the Congress Forever 2010 engine (if possible, of course)

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Re: 4, due to the time frame, we're not going to do this. It would mean going forward on a relatively untested game engine and splitting the game engine source prematurely.

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4 things for me:

1. Vote totals (not just percents) in election night.

2. Also in election night, reduced number of screens (ie. the seat-by-seat results on the main election night screen).

3. A similar seat-by-seat campaigning system to Congress Forever 2010 (ie. targeting, watchlist, private polling, etc.) AND interface.

4. Base it off the Congress Forever 2010 engine (if possible, of course)

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I would actually disagree with Matty0119 on having too many fringe parties as many of them only get a few hundred votes in each constituency and many don't stand in every constituency through lack of funds.

Even a well-known Scottish politician like Tommy Sheridan and his Solidarity Party would be lucky to get 500 votes standing in a Glasgow constituency now.

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I agree with the idea of sliding the SNP over into the fourth slot and kicking the Greens over a bit. One other thing that I think needs a serious looking-at is stopping the SNP from regularly piling up 18-20 seats on the 2005 election model, which would probably translate into a higher total (possibly even coming in on a "win" of Scotland) for 2010. Maybe splitting Scotland into two regions is needed to deal with this from a game balance perspective.

The other big thing is this: Adverts in the game nominally represented TV Adverts. Those are heavily regulated in the UK (I think the parties are restricted to the PEBs), so perhaps making adverts unaffordable and giving parties a limited number of "free" runs (like in C4E) would solve this best.

A somewhat lesser point: Some tweaking on dealing with minority governments might be in order (in the vein of how House elections were dealt with in P4E or something similar). Brown might be able to hold on to power with 320 seats; I honestly doubt he'd manage to do so with 290 even if he was ahead of the Tories...and particularly if he got stuck down in the 280s or lower.

Finally, I do like the idea of individual seat results, even just as a "warm fuzzy", if not as a P4E-style addition.

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I agree with the idea of sliding the SNP over into the fourth slot and kicking the Greens over a bit. One other thing that I think needs a serious looking-at is stopping the SNP from regularly piling up 18-20 seats on the 2005 election model, which would probably translate into a higher total (possibly even coming in on a "win" of Scotland) for 2010. Maybe splitting Scotland into two regions is needed to deal with this from a game balance perspective.

Good point there. Although the SNP won the Scottish parliament elections of 2007, their support in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Lanarkshire (the central belt) isn't so strong, whereas they are very strong in Fife, Aberdeenshire and the Highlands & Islands.

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1. Include more parties. Suggestions I hae are

-Labour

-Conservative

-Liberal Democrat

-UKIP

-BNP

-Greens

-Socialist Labour Party

-Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (Including Scottish Solidarity)

-Respect

-English Democrats

-Monster Raving Looney

-Christian Alliance

-SNP

-Plaid Cymru

-Sinn Fein

-SDLP

-DUP

-Ulster Conservative and Unionist

-TUV

-Independant

2. The ability to switch to a PR method of voting in any scenario.

3. The Ability to form a Coaltion AFTER the election is over, especially in the case of a hung Parliament, rather than pre-decided alliances taking power when the biggest. This would add more playability in the game. Maybe the ability to negotiate deals to form a government after election by making other parties change their stance on an issue. Also the option of Rainbow coalitions. This would be an awesome option and make the game a lot more fun, particulary when playing as minor parties.

4. Changeing issue stances from 5 option to 7 like in P4E+Primaries. This would make the game more realistic as sometimes policies are too similar on the scale or jump to extremes too quickly.

Hopefully some of these ideas are implemented as it would improve the game considerably.

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The Ability to form a Coaltion AFTER the election is over, especially in the case of a hung Parliament, rather than pre-decided alliances taking power when the biggest. This would add more playability in the game. Maybe the ability to negotiate deals to form a government after election by making other parties change their stance on an issue. Also the option of Rainbow coalitions. This would be an awesome option and make the game a lot more fun, particulary when playing as minor parties.

I really like this idea.

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Bit of a side-point, but didn't the UUP technically mend fences with and merge with the Tories (or at least go into an electoral alliance with them of some sort that would functionally be the same)? Not that I expect Cameron to show up in Belfast or anything, but that would drop a slot out to allow TUV in.

Of course, in contrast I'd be inclined to throw Respect off of the game (at this point, it's really a non-entity, up there with Veritas at this point). On the other hand, there might be a reason to slip an "anti-sleaze independents" group into the game with a party rating of 2 if more than a few loose cannons look set to more than save their deposit.

Finally, if you want to put in an ED-esque third party, look at putting in the Alliance for Democracy, which is a roughly ideology-free non-compete agreement among smaller parties (including the Christian Party).

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The way I look at it, if we have 16 slots, 3 automatically go to the "big three" (Tories, Labour, LibDems). 13 left. Add in the SNP and PC and you're down to 11. Greens ought to go in (realistic chance of snagging a seat plus broad, if low-level support), UKIP (keeps racking up a decent number of votes in elections) and the BNP probably needs to as well due to its size. That's 8. Now pull out the DUP, TUV, Alliance (NI), Sinn Fein, and SDLP. That leaves three slots. If you set one slot aside for straight independents, then I would ask:

What are the two other parties that ought to go in?

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Bit of a side-point, but didn't the UUP technically mend fences with and merge with the Tories (or at least go into an electoral alliance with them of some sort that would functionally be the same)? Not that I expect Cameron to show up in Belfast or anything, but that would drop a slot out to allow TUV in.

Of course, in contrast I'd be inclined to throw Respect off of the game (at this point, it's really a non-entity, up there with Veritas at this point). On the other hand, there might be a reason to slip an "anti-sleaze independents" group into the game with a party rating of 2 if more than a few loose cannons look set to more than save their deposit.

Finally, if you want to put in an ED-esque third party, look at putting in the Alliance for Democracy, which is a roughly ideology-free non-compete agreement among smaller parties (including the Christian Party).

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The way I look at it, if we have 16 slots, 3 automatically go to the "big three" (Tories, Labour, LibDems). 13 left. Add in the SNP and PC and you're down to 11. Greens ought to go in (realistic chance of snagging a seat plus broad, if low-level support), UKIP (keeps racking up a decent number of votes in elections) and the BNP probably needs to as well due to its size. That's 8. Now pull out the DUP, TUV, Alliance (NI), Sinn Fein, and SDLP. That leaves three slots. If you set one slot aside for straight independents, then I would ask:

What are the two other parties that ought to go in?

I'd suggest adding several small parties into those slots but with them all off by default.

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Right now we have these parties:

Labour

Conservative

Lib-Dem

SNP

UKIP (TUV is included)

Green

Plaid Cymru

BNP

DUP

Sinn Fein

SDLP

UUP

Alliance

Respect (TUSC and the Communist Party and other leftist groups are included)

Veritas (Includes Alliance for Democracy parties)

Independent

Naturally depending on the results of the election these can be changed.

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